ACC/PAC Merger Idea
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Employees do not bring in revenue. The ACC expanding wouldn't really increase costs vs last year's costs (14 ACC + 1/2 12 P12 - 6 P12). And that cost generates revenue. If they pay $100M to make $150M, how does that look bad?
public relations since most financial info is a yr behind
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What company cares about that? In 2 months it'll be forgotten by most that they got rid of anyone. Most people that watch espn don't even care now.
it may not be significant your correct and i was saying wait a couple of months before acting as you would have to have commitments for the members and to announce at once
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At the very least the ACC should offer football and basketball OOC game opportunities to PAC schools for the short term. The biggest snag with any long-term formal relationship is Olympic sports. As an example for the remainder, Oregon, Stanford, Cal, and Arizona State play WLax. (They'll lose their autobid when USC and Colorado leave.) While playing on a weekend helps a bit, you still need to move 30-40 team personnel across the country.
I really don't understand what they're waiting for because they have to get that value up. It doesn't really matter now how they do it. They're not gonna be able to do it. The way they want like they're not gonna get any teams like. Add a big Tanner s CC obviously, and probably not even the big twelve, right? Accept for West Virginia but I would do whatever they had to do to get Oregon and Washington in there. Who cares you just you got these? Make that gap smaller somehow and sitting there just waiting. Around for some of the fallen they're freaking lap. It's just so freaking stupid, it p***** me off. It's like the big east all over again, just aresco cashing in on it.
If the ACC does nothing, then it's all weather. It's this season or 6, 7 seasons down the road. Whatever it's over, and we could very easily be done as well. For football, which is pretty much over in some ways. Because we don't know, it might be over. Because we're paying big time for players now. You can't do that with these little tiny conferences. Conference payouts so seriously I don't know. I'm really p***** off right now. That's this is happening. I just cannot believe that's someone like rutgers is in the situation they're in & Maryland
We're potentially screwed
If the ACC does nothing, then it's all weather. It's this season or 6, 7 seasons down the road. Whatever it's over, and we could very easily be done as well. For football, which is pretty much over in some ways. Because we don't know, it might be over. Because we're paying big time for players now. You can't do that with these little tiny conferences. Conference payouts so seriously I don't know. I'm really p***** off right now. That's this is happening. I just cannot believe that's someone like rutgers is in the situation they're in & Maryland
We're potentially screwed
Show to some app, I'm not gonna talk about. Who has to come with them like Washington State or Oregon state? But if we can get ordained Washington, Utah and Arizona, arizona state, there's no way that we don't make more money. So what the h*** are they waiting for? I mean, yes, you gotta worry about the Olympic sports and the travel. But you can kinda diminished that with divisions, but if we don't do it, it's over anyway, so what do you got to lose?
I can't say if the ACC leadership is sharp enough to know that this might be the only viable play at hand to secure the league as permanent 3rd best paid. But I have no doubt that the Pac team will resist being incorporated, because they are filled with Left Coast arrogance. Even without SC and UCLA, those schools and the conference bigwigs think the Pac is simply so superior that it never needs to do anything but just remain determined to get what they think they, the original Rose Bowl league, deserve.
Many o them would even get angry that you suggest they need to play a whole bunch of POOC games vs. EST teams to get a larger TV audience. They assume that everybody is supposed to watch the Pac because it is the Pac.
So It think the only way to get the ones that really could help us a good deal is take at least 6. And that may not fly with them. They may demand that the ACC take all 9. But we have enough problems having Wake and BC, so we do not need Oregon St or Washington St, and we could do without Arizona.
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Left coast arrogance? That’s a new one. There’s unjustified arrogance in NC, if anything. (Sorry man)
I agree with you there but they're just has to be full. Speed ahead like I want guys set that reply to my last message. Because that is the ACC's only play or they will implode.
Florida state and Clemson are not gonna tolerate this. Miami, North Carolina, Virginia Tech, who knows How many others so II mean, really who cares? How about this? I don't know, left coast arrogant sound. I never heard of that, but I don't know why there'd be so arrogant. No one ever sees him on TV. He come over to the ACC obviously, they'll be on TV much more, a lot more exposure. They complained about that for how long of course, it is in perfect. It's far from it, but the ACC wants to continue to exist. More specific Syracuse, then in a lot of somebody's own schools, too, they better just. Really be blowing philips phone off. And somebody talk Som sense into this guy.
Frankly, I am just sick of the shop talk. I don't wanna hear anymore, talk, just Do something, ACC.
Yeah, that's why I don't understand why they just don't jump all over it. I mean, Stanford right there, and that would be a very, very good conference in terms of some of the best academic institutions in the land or on this planet.
Which you know? Stanford always wins that, uh, whatever cup you know, for all sports. No I that doesn't I? Don't know really what that means in terms of as a whole or contributing, but I'm sure there is some Significance there but I'm right there with you, man. I think that would make notre Dame happy but still I don't know if you've made em happy enough to get rid of their independence. Because I just don't think they Would not even know how to let it go
You say that, but there's still pretty close to getting an invite to the big 12. So having no real value does it make a lot of sense? And everyone keeps pointing to these 5 titles this century, and that obviously has. Open app some eyes, and if the ACC does go away, we better hope we open app some Eye in the short. Of time we have because I just don't see any other way of we're gonna get a ticket To the VIP, big boy table. Whenever phrase you wanna use.
I agree. No time top daily dally. The ACC should be all over everything right. Yes, I would jump Wake and BC ASAP. They simply never can bring in enough eyeballs on their own in either revenue sport to ever be anything but dead weight. WVU would be a huge increase in eyeballs for just 1 school. ESPN having no BT rights should want the ACC, far and away its 2nd most valuable epekiperty, to take Cincy, because ESOPN needs something in the midwest, and OH is the most imporatnt midwestern state. Cincy already is Louisville's most played rivals in both revenue sports, and Cincy is a huge state school whose tv market os filled wit top talent in. both revenue sports.
I'd take WVU and Cincy over Wake and BC every second of every day.
Well, if the ACC loses FSU, it must replace with a large FL school. Right now, that would be either UCF or USF, which just got made AAU. FL presence is necessary for football recruiting help, just as TX is for Ok St KU, ISU, etc. So if we are talking about an ACC minus both FSU and Miami, then ht league should replace with both USF and UCF. With FAU as the south FL option.
That would need to be the consideration before anything to do with anybody's basketball, because even if there is just a P2, the ACC still needs to be set top to have as good football as possible to be the best overall among the Next 3. So, before I would ever consider UConn for the ACC,I'd first want other FL schools, WVU, Cincy. GA Southern would be a school to explore because GA is loaded with talent and passionate CFB fans. And I think Temple's location, in PA and near NJ, makes it better than UConn.
If you don't know what I mean about Pac arrogance -
Jon Wilner, a San Jose Mercury-News reporter and an expert in Pac-12 sports, was asked about the conference fate of Cal and Stanford with USC, UCLA and Colorado leaving the Pac-12 next summer. His Saturday answer concluded with this:
I see now way that Cal and Stanford ever get a BT invite. Cal is nothing to ND, and Stanford isn new ND rival that is soon not be annual. So that appear see their only options as keep the Pac, which will be paid crap, or maybe later end up in some Ivy League. It is beneath them to think of ever being part of a much greater MWC or part of the Big 12. Appaarnelty they also see themselves as too elite for the bACC - it's not geography they oppose for that slight, because they mention Ivy League.
Those 2 and most Pac leadership lives with that type thinking. So I could see Phillips making them a greta offer to take even 7 (all but Oregon St and Wash St), and they refuse because they see it as beneath their great dignity.
Jon Wilner, a San Jose Mercury-News reporter and an expert in Pac-12 sports, was asked about the conference fate of Cal and Stanford with USC, UCLA and Colorado leaving the Pac-12 next summer. His Saturday answer concluded with this:
I see now way that Cal and Stanford ever get a BT invite. Cal is nothing to ND, and Stanford isn new ND rival that is soon not be annual. So that appear see their only options as keep the Pac, which will be paid crap, or maybe later end up in some Ivy League. It is beneath them to think of ever being part of a much greater MWC or part of the Big 12. Appaarnelty they also see themselves as too elite for the bACC - it's not geography they oppose for that slight, because they mention Ivy League.
Those 2 and most Pac leadership lives with that type thinking. So I could see Phillips making them a greta offer to take even 7 (all but Oregon St and Wash St), and they refuse because they see it as beneath their great dignity.
Oh, yeah, I agree with that. I would take that swap all day long. 2 for 2 but I was just saying. I mean, as it stands right now. Yeah, with like, the big hitters up Top still in our conference, yeah. But with all these teams poised to leave And the uncertainty I still I'm not sure.
I mean, again I just I don't understand Phillips. It's thinking he should be talking to organ in Washington. And they're schools right now. I mean, what the h*** do you have to lose? Get through this rough patch, and do she gotta do later? If you have to, but you gotta do something to come forward to state Clemson whoever else down because. All I keep here and every day is that they're getting close to her. And closer to just saying screw it taken it to court or just leavingredients.
Unfortunately, it pains me to say this. But I can't really blame them because this doesn't exactly exude confidence with our commissioner fist. Pretty much write square up is but not doing what needs to be done. Not being proactive, just sitting. So yeah, I'm if I were them I want to. Because they probably just know that they're just trying to. Melcome is long as a past weekend in Anaheim. It's just, I don't not understand that strategy. It's not even a strategy.
Having a job collecting a check as I see it. Is long as you can until the inevitable happens?
there's something wrong with the process of Hiring commissioners for the ACC. It's like we have the same knicks. You know, New York mix enigma. With that owner we have with commissioners.
I mean, the other guy before. Disguise, he seemed OK until he made that deal for like, 20 someone years like he cannot somehow see how that could destroy his conference In the very near future
Unfortunately, it pains me to say this. But I can't really blame them because this doesn't exactly exude confidence with our commissioner fist. Pretty much write square up is but not doing what needs to be done. Not being proactive, just sitting. So yeah, I'm if I were them I want to. Because they probably just know that they're just trying to. Melcome is long as a past weekend in Anaheim. It's just, I don't not understand that strategy. It's not even a strategy.
Having a job collecting a check as I see it. Is long as you can until the inevitable happens?
there's something wrong with the process of Hiring commissioners for the ACC. It's like we have the same knicks. You know, New York mix enigma. With that owner we have with commissioners.
I mean, the other guy before. Disguise, he seemed OK until he made that deal for like, 20 someone years like he cannot somehow see how that could destroy his conference In the very near future
you don't negotiate in public though, acc is always stealthy
I'm sure most of their tactics are all the same. But still, I mean, yeah, all comes down to the same thing again. That resume the video and to big 12 are competitor right now to lodge s*** going right or wrong. Is bringin teams in.
I am a very busy man. What can I say but I will do my best.
Good to know, & very informative.
