ACC Teleconference Week 2 - Sept 6

[PhatOrange]

What if Cordy is not on the injury report? What if he's out for the year?

It's Bailey's job to report, not recycle handouts from the football office. Asking Babers the question gives you two points to report.

For example: "Cordy is listed as questionable, but Coach Babers was unclear if Cordy was able to practice during the week" is much more powerful than just saying "The injury report lists Cordy as questionable."

why is Bailey so obsessed with it ?

Congrats on your wedding by the way. Was Bailey the best man ?

 

[LeMoyneCuse]

why is Bailey so obsessed with it ?

Congrats on your wedding by the way. Was Bailey the best man ?

Any journalist would do the same. It's just a guy doing his job.

And thanks. I don't know Stephen Bailey. I'm just trying to provide insight as someone who worked in the business.

 

[Bambrewer]

Any journalist would do the same. It's just a guy doing his job.

And thanks. I don't know Stephen Bailey. I'm just trying to provide insight as someone who worked in the business.

Funny thing is I do know Stephen. I had to my house for 3 days before Shy got to campus. I speak with him before every game. He and I message a lot. I really like Stephen. he and I have discussed my feelings on his asking these questions. He feels the same way you do that it is his job. That's fine. I just give you my feelings on it.

 

[LeMoyneCuse]

Funny thing is I do know Stephen. I had to my house for 3 days before Shy got to campus. I speak with him before every game. He and I message a lot. I really like Stephen. he and I have discussed my feelings on his asking these questions. He feels the same way you do that it is his job. That's fine. I just give you my feelings on it.

Yeah, you tend to give us better and more interesting information than the athletics department does does

 

[TheCusian]

I've said this before, but I'll throw it out there again. While it's not a reporters job to be buddy buddy with the guy he's covering - Babers is a human being. Stop banging your head against a policy, get the guy to talk using some colorful movie related analogies.

If you watch any news conference or interview where the reporter has the same guy he's asking questions of - there is a familiarity, even a friendliness - that seems to get better content and info. Even if the question is a tough one.

Babers knows these guys have a job to do.

It's like Bailey trots out the same line trying to get his crush to notice him. A change in approach may help get a date.

 

[PhatOrange]

Any journalist would do the same. It's just a guy doing his job.

I think any good journalist would ask a different (better) question; like maybe about the run game. Cordy's status is not newsworthy. He's a run of the mill safety. If it was the starting QB then ok.

 

[CuseLegacy]

I've said this before, but I'll throw it out there again. While it's not a reporters job to be buddy buddy with the guy he's covering - Babers is a human being. Stop banging your head against a policy, get the guy to talk using some colorful movie related analogies.

If you watch any news conference or interview where the reporter has the same guy he's asking questions of - there is a familiarity, even a friendliness - that seems to get better content and info. Even if the question is a tough one.

Babers knows these guys have a job to do.

It's like Bailey trots out the same line trying to get his crush to notice him. A change in approach may help get a date.

Sorry but you seem to be the one obsessing. And I think it is presumptuous of you to think you know what type of relationship any of the reporters have with staff.

 

[TheCusian]

Sorry but you seem to be the one obsessing. And I think it is presumptuous of you to think you know what type of relationship any of the reporters have with staff.

Not at all. Constructive criticism.

In my job, it requires tough skin. Public work gets public critics. I've talked with Bailey about stuff like this before. He's pretty good at taking what's helpful and brushing off the rest. He'll be fine.

I find it interesting. Sorry you have to read it all!

 

[LeMoyneCuse]

I think any good journalist would ask a different (better) question; like maybe about the run game. Cordy's status is not newsworthy. He's a run of the mill safety. If it was the starting QB then ok.

You know that Newhouse education that people on this board think somehow turns people into geniuses? Bailey has one. He's doing what his training and his editors have taught him to do.

 

[CuseLegacy]

Not at all. Constructive criticism.

In my job, it requires tough skin. Public work gets public critics. I've talked with Bailey about stuff like this before. He's pretty good at taking what's helpful and brushing off the rest. He'll be fine.

I find it interesting. Sorry you have to read it all!

I'm just a mama grizzly...defender of youngsters whether on the team or on the coverage.

 

[PhatOrange]

You know that Newhouse education that people on this board think somehow turns people into geniuses? Bailey has one. He's doing what his training and his editors have taught him to do.

Bailey and his editors are wrong and it again clearly illustrates they don't have their finger on the pulse of what a football fan wants to hear or read about.

I respect the education and the training but not every engineer, or cop, or (insert job title/training/education here) gets it right.

I don't care if Bailey and Babers exchange Christmas cards, I don't care if Bailey asks tough questions. It's the stupid repetitive stuff that's worthy of an eye roll and shows what an amature he is. He's not going to get injury information so you know what, quit pushing it, it doesn't make him a good reporter to keep asking the same fruitless questions. Ask a football question, he doesn't have the knowledge or football acumen to do that though. He should maybe learn from the guys who came before him who actually wrote good football articles with good information, you know the professionals; Webb/Rahme etc.

He gets one question on the call and that's what he asks? (for the second time.) They get bagged on here because they don't get it (and they're seemingly not learning.)

 

[bnoro]

I've never seen a group of people more obsessed with a reporter doing his job than the group on this board and Stephen Bailey.

He does an excellent job, and he asks the questions he believes he has to ask to get the information necessary to fill his reports. Plain and simple. It is HIS JOB to ask the questions, regardless if they are answered or not.

Babers handles the press in a very Belichick-ian manner and it is what it is. Still have to ask.

 

[LeMoyneCuse]

He gets one question on the call and that's what he asks? (for the second time.) They get bagged on here because they don't get it (and they're seemingly not learning.)

They get bagged on here because a bunch of people who aren't journalists think their opinions on journalism are important.

 

[TheCusian]

They get bagged on here because a bunch of people who aren't journalists think their opinions on journalism are important.

C'mon. I was willing to leave it alone.

Journalists should think that their audiences opinions matter. I create work that is for public consumption and I care about what the public thinks. I can't just rest on "this is how this industry works" all the time. I need to listen to and take criticism. Some of it's crap, some of it's great - but unimportant? No.

All industries that produce content better keep their finger on what their audience wants. Even "years of stuffy history" fields like journalism. I'd bet even the professors on the hill wouldn't offer such a dogmatic response.

 

[LeMoyneCuse]

C'mon. I was willing to leave it alone.

Journalists should think that their audiences opinions matter. I create work that is for public consumption and I care about what the public thinks. I can't just rest on "this is how this industry works" all the time. I need to listen to and take criticism. Some of it's crap, some of it's great - but unimportant? No.

All industries that produce content better keep their finger on what their audience wants. Even "years of stuffy history" fields like journalism. I'd bet even the professors on the hill wouldn't offer such a dogmatic response.

That's fair.

But the opinion seems to be that Bailey is asking the wrong questions or is being lazy or has agenda. When it comes to Bailey asking about injuries, he's not wrong or lazy and doesn't have an agenda. Yeah, journalists get stuck in routines and ask boring (or pointless) questions. But asking about injuries, even if you know what the answer is going to be, isn't wrong.

If you don't like it, that's your business. But newspapers aren't dying because of nuts and bolts reporting.

 

[TheCusian]

That's fair.

But the opinion seems to be that Bailey is asking the wrong questions or is being lazy or has agenda. When it comes to Bailey asking about injuries, he's not wrong or lazy and doesn't have an agenda. Yeah, journalists get stuck in routines and ask boring (or pointless) questions. But asking about injuries, even if you know what the answer is going to be, isn't wrong.

If you don't like it, that's your business. But newspapers aren't dying because of nuts and bolts reporting.

Right. My point is simply that sometimes you have to do something different if you want to get something different. And that some of us want something different. I believe he's doing what he knows how to do.

This has snowballed way more than I intended. Thank you for providing an "inside look"... it's truly appreciated.

 

[LeMoyneCuse]

Right. My point is simply that sometimes you have to do something different if you want to get something different. And that some of us want something different. I believe he's doing what he knows how to do.

This has snowballed way more than I intended. Thank you for providing an "inside look"... it's truly appreciated.

This is admittedly frustrating to me. I care deeply about journalism as a craft, even if I don't work in it any more. I base my opinions on my experience of working the morning shift at News 10 / YNN. I had to rely on everyone else's work because there was no information I could get at 3 am. I had to think to the future and have the most relevant, newest content.

The same applies here. So while more attractive stories about developing the running game or what you saw or more interesting nuggets are more valuable and more featured, they age quickly and you can't build off of them if anything new happens. Meanwhile, the nuts and bolts stuff about unclear injuries do get boring, especially when nothing new is happening. But those are the questions people will keep asking about, and the stories that are most likely to yield new information.

It's a nuance that is understandably unclear to anyone who hasn't been there - it's kind of thing you pick up with experience and can't learn it anyway else.

 

[Rocco]

Dave Rahme was hands down the best SU Football reporter we've ever had. That guy was awesome.

And that is not taking anything away from Bailey. Dave was just on a different level IMHO.

 

[bnoro]

Dave Rahme was hands down the best SU Football reporter we've ever had. That guy was awesome.

And that is not taking anything away from Bailey. Dave was just on a different level IMHO.

And Dave Rahme would probably be asking Dino Babers about injuries if he was still at the Post Standard.

 

[Rocco]

And Dave Rahme would probably be asking Dino Babers about injuries if he was still at the Post Standard.

Sure, but also be providing content that has no comparison. That guy was the best.

 

[ForCuseSake]

Dave Rahme was hands down the best SU Football reporter we've ever had. That guy was awesome.

And that is not taking anything away from Bailey. Dave was just on a different level IMHO.

I loved Rahme's postgame summary of Marrone's gameplan and evaluation of what succeeded/failed and why.

He clearly had Marrone's trust (or as much trust a reporter could muster from FHCDM) and was very good at being critical without scathing or malicious.

 

[CuseOnly]

What if the situation changed? Even if you know what Babers is going to say, you can't anticipate what he's going to say.

You sure can, especially when it is a known policy of the athletic department and head coach.