Agenda's and loons

[GoCuse44]

Marrone is a realist and he has said at the luncheons that if he does not win he won't be here when SU enters the ACC. He knows that his job is on the line if he does not WIN FOOTBALL GAMES but people calling for him to be fired after this season are delusional.

Let's see how his offense operates when Marrone has a QB under center that can hit a go route or create plays with his feet (i.e. (Terrrel Hunt). The offensive schemes have been changed because SU simply does not have a QB that can stretch the field by hitting a go route. Anyone who has attended a luncheon knows how much the offensive scheme has been changed based upon Nassib's performance. How many times can you throw a go route only to have a pass overthrown by 5 yards???

Marrone rebuilt the offensive line with two kids out of Nassau Community College (not exactly a hot bed for recruiting D1 football players). Let's see how his OL is when Foy, Trudo, Robinson, or Alexander are up front because Marrone has raved about their performance at practice said he thinks its thinks its going to be the best one in the Big East when those kids take the field.

Kickoffs have been a disaster this season and that is being addresses in the class of 2012 so next year we won't see a team starting at the 40 yard line three or four times a game. The one change I would to see is the hiring of a special teams coach and my choice would be Chris Rippon if he would be willing to return to the Cuse.

I have absolutely no complaints with Marrone or his staffs ability to evaluate talent when you see Lynch, Davis, Thomas, Spruill, etc. When has a coach at SU been done recruiting in November?? Marrone said when he arrrived they were a year behind in terms of recruiting and in three years he is a year ahead since the class of 2013 recruiting board is already up and kids are getting offers from the Cuse.

When you look at the program as a whole things look a hell of a lot brighter than they did 4 years ago.

 

[N.Y. Orangeman]

It's very CUT and DRY. You either a) WIN or b) LOSE

That's why we keep score!

I guess things are black and white in your world.

 

[SoBristol]

Marrone is a realist and he has said at the luncheons that if he does not win he won't be here when SU enters the ACC. He knows that his job is on the line if he does not WIN FOOTBALL GAMES but people calling for him to be fired after this season are delusional.

Let's see how his offense operates when Marrone has a QB under center that can hit a go route or create plays with his feet (i.e. (Terrrel Hunt). The offensive schemes have been changed because SU simply does not have a QB that can stretch the field by hitting a go route.

Marrone rebuilt the offensive line with two kids out of Nassau Community College (not exactly a hot bed for recruiting D1 football players). Let's see how his OL is when Foy, Trudo, Robinson, or Alexander are up front because Marrone has raved about their performance at practice said he thinks its thinks its going to be the best one in the Big East when those kids take the field.

Kickoffs have been a disaster this season and that is being addresses in the class of 2012 so next year we won't see a team starting at the 40 yard line three or four times a game. The one change I would to see is the hiring of a special teams coach and my choice would be Chris Rippon if he would be willing to return to the Cuse.

I have absolutely no complaints with Marrone or his staffs ability to evaluate talent when you see Lynch, Davis, Thomas, Spruill, etc. When has a coach at SU been done recruiting in November?? Marrone said when he arrrived they were a year behind in terms of recruiting and in three years he is a year ahead since the class of 2013 recruiting board is already up and kids are getting offers from the Cuse.

When you look at the program as a whole things look a hell of a lot brighter than they did 4 years ago.

Agree with most of that. If we end up with Hunt and Broyld at QB in 2013, the offense will have a completely different look. As for those Nassau CC recruits, Marrone must have had something in mind when he hired the head coach from Nassau CC (Anselmo) as one of his first hires. He made the team competitive by bringing in some size in Tiller, Hay and Cruz (from Hofstra) to make up the entire right side of his line last year.

I am surprised/disappointed with the coverage team this year, which seem to have better athletes than we had last year. Special team play has been worse this year than in any GROB year (or maybe I am surpressing bad memories). You just have to expect that Marrone can upgrade coverage and fix the plague of dumb penalties.

 

[cusestudent]

Marrone definitely should not be on the hot seat as it is only the third year, but he has not done his job all that well this season. All of the games outside of WVU and USC the team has not come out onto the field ready to play a football game, simple as that. Why do you think all but one of our wins wasn't secured until the end of the fourth quarter? Tulane? Rhode Island? Rutgers? UCONN? Lousiville? USF? Which one is the most telling? Four of those games were What games, and that is unacceptable. There are a lot of issues Doug needs to figure out because if this crap continues into next year then he will be gone by the end of that season. The team not being ready to play falls on the coaching staff, and not the players; it does not get much more cut and dry than that.

 

[Orange&Blue44]

This site needs an ignore poster function, from my perspective, to be used for over the top, over critical negatards.
Mac didn't turn it around overnight, or in three years. Give Marrone a Goddamn chance.

 

[OrangeXtreme]

"Over the top" is being convinced that after only 35 games, Marrone is a career .500 coach and a bad hire ... when he was a COY candidate only 3 games earlier.

This board is all highs and lows.

 

[Cuseman78]

This site needs an ignore poster function, from my perspective, to be used for over the top, over critical negatards.
Mac didn't turn it around overnight, or in three years. Give Marrone a Goddamn chance.

Agree, I'm still waiting on that ignore functionality also (although there is only person on this board who currently merits its use - Hint: He keeps a booklet on each pro-Nassib poster).

In regards to the topic at hand, I find it baffling that some actually believe this should/would be a linear process. We won 8 last year, we should win 9, then 10, then 11. Thats not how it works. Some around here have SHORT memories. Some choose to poo-poo the Pinstripe to bolster their own arguments but the bottom line is he won 8 games in year 2 coming off Greg Robinson.

This year, we've taken a step back, and its undoubtedly been disappointing and frustrating. The coaching staff hasn't done a very good job this year (and Marrone has recently admitted as much). But let's not make this out to be some disastrous debacle where we have gone back to being a 3 win team. We're 5-5 and still have a legit chance at getting back to a bowl. If some people don't understand that there will be short-term fluctuations in performance, I can't help them out there.

Marrone's ultimate judgment will come when he has a roster full of his own players who fit his system. I personally don't believe what we have now offensively is remotely close to what he's trying to build or what his vision is. I'm willing to give him some time to get everything into place. If he isn't successful then, at that point we can all chat about making head coaching changes. But the fact that we have posts on this board calling for his head in year 3, with a 5-5 record coming off our first bowl win in 10 years is beyond ridiculous (that words not strong enough).

 

[arbitragegls]

...and to be careful..'Cuse has a terrific Football history...a leader in fact in wins, awards etc...but in past 10 years...only looking that far back...compared to bball and LAX...football hasnt done it on the field...most of us want football to be as good as those teams...and given time it will get back to its high achievements.

 

[kingottoiii]

Agree, I'm still waiting on that ignore functionality also (although there is only person on this board who currently merits its use - Hint: He keeps a booklet on each pro-Nassib poster).

In regards to the topic at hand, I find it baffling that some actually believe this should/would be a linear process. We won 8 last year, we should win 9, then 10, then 11. Thats not how it works. Some around here have SHORT memories. Some choose to poo-poo the Pinstripe to bolster their own arguments but the bottom line is he won 8 games in year 2 coming off Greg Robinson.

This year, we've taken a step back, and its undoubtedly been disappointing and frustrating. The coaching staff hasn't done a very good job this year (and Marrone has recently admitted as much). But let's not make this out to be some disastrous debacle where we have gone back to being a 3 win team. We're 5-5 and still have a legit chance at getting back to a bowl. If some people don't understand that there will be short-term fluctuations in performance, I can't help them out there.

Marrone's ultimate judgment will come when he has a roster full of his own players who fit his system. I personally don't believe what we have now offensively is remotely close to what he's trying to build or what his vision is. I'm willing to give him some time to get everything into place. If he isn't successful then, at that point we can all chat about making head coaching changes. But the fact that we have posts on this board calling for his head in year 3, with a 5-5 record coming off our first bowl win in 10 years is beyond ridiculous (that words not strong enough).

I think most expected a step back. But not his far back. We are in LAST PLACE in (at best) the 6th hardest conference in all the land. Sorry but if we don't win the next two games, it will be a very bad coaching job this year. Also four of our five wins we had to eek out. So we aren't very far from being that 3 win team you mention. The last three games have been GRobesque.

What we have now might not fit Marrone's O vision. I can buy that. However what I can't buy is that the current O fits our current roster. No way, no how. We can't run block and have no RBs. So why in the hell are we acting like we have last year's OL and DC3? Wake up Marrone. There is a reason why the O has sucked all year in the first half and then looked good in the second half. This should be a pass first team. I felt this way during Spring practice. The results this year have backed that up. What we have done this year on O defies logic. That to me is a major red flag. He has not given our kids the best chance to win these games.

What will happen in the future when his vision is missing a piece or two? Because chances are we will be missing pieces as we are not the type of school to have all 11 O players be good at the same time. Does that mean our O will be broke and he won't be able to adjust?

 

[swish7]

Board is full of them these days.

Just a reminder the four years before Marrone took over this program won 10 games TOTAL.

That was better over the same time as Idaho (9), Utah State (9), North Texas (8), and Duke (6) in all of D-1.

That's the program Marrone took over.

Here is the list of TWENTY BCS conference programs that Syracuse has a better record than through this weeks games 2009 on. Arizona St, Arizona, Kentucky, Tennessee, Louisville, UCLA, Illinois, Mississippi, Oregon St, Purdue, UVA, Wake, Maryland, Duke, Minnesota, Indiana, Kansas, Colorado, Vandy, Washington State.

People need to think before they spout some of the nonsense that they do.

Thanks for the usual "agenda-free" post.

 

[Dick_in_MI]

Board is full of them these days.

Just a reminder the four years before Marrone took over this program won 10 games TOTAL.

That was better over the same time as Idaho (9), Utah State (9), North Texas (8), and Duke (6) in all of D-1.

That's the program Marrone took over.

Here is the list of TWENTY BCS conference programs that Syracuse has a better record than through this weeks games 2009 on. Arizona St, Arizona, Kentucky, Tennessee, Louisville, UCLA, Illinois, Mississippi, Oregon St, Purdue, UVA, Wake, Maryland, Duke, Minnesota, Indiana, Kansas, Colorado, Vandy, Washington State.

People need to think before they spout some of the nonsense that they do.

Good post as usual, Go. I haven't posted much lately simply because the board has gotten a little syracuse.com-ish or like the hoops board gets when JB has the audacity to lose a few games.

The responses below your post are Exhibit A of what you are referring to. Nobody is saying that all is well with the football program. Nobody is saying that the players and coaches shouldn't be criticized. I myself wonder if Marrone is the right guy or if he is recruiting the talent necessary for him to be successful.

However, some of the stuff that is spouted is over the top. Everyone vents when things get rough; I did enough of it in the GRob years to put myself in the catagory of "griper"

But some of it gets just nuts. There is a difference between constructive analysis and being an internet moron. The ratio lately seems to have tipped towards the latter.

 

[SaintTristan]

The guys blindly supporting marrone are the ones with the agenda.

 

[Orange&Blue44]

Thanks for the usual "agenda-free" post.

You throw up an air ball against the truth.

 

[wfschrec]

This site needs an ignore poster function, from my perspective, to be used for over the top, over critical negatards.
Mac didn't turn it around overnight, or in three years. Give Marrone a Goddamn chance.

I vote we add a "negatard" button ... there has to be an easy way to do that in XenForo

 

[Orange&Blue44]

The guys blindly supporting marrone are the ones with the agenda.

Oh, you mean those that are willing to give Marrone a realistic chance, as opposed the haters obsessed with instant self gratification ?

 

[swish7]

This site needs an ignore poster function, from my perspective, to be used for over the top, over critical negatards.
Mac didn't turn it around overnight, or in three years. Give Marrone a Goddamn chance.

Wow. Marrone is being given a chance, for 3 years and whatever millions he has made in that time.

The melodramatic loon bashers with their blanket statements should just respond to the specific loony-post.

You would then find that maybe two people have called for him to be fired, after 3 absolutely horrendous games. The vast majority are reserving their judgment until 10 mos. from now. Perfectly fair at that point IMO.

On the flipside, the apologists are saying only one game out of 12 is all that matters. Recruits have seen what they need, they'll come!!! And hell, it also makes perfect sense to give this trending towards 5-7 coach an extension!

If he wins with Robinson's recruits, he's coaching them up. If he loses with them, he cannot recruit. That's some funny turds.

You're damning god at the injustice. Oh, the injustice!! One anonymous person on the internet said Marrone wasn't fit for the job, after getting blown out at home to a middling team. Hey God! Pay attention! Can you believe it!

Let's have a pay board, let's ignore posters, let me build my little island of like-minded thinkers. THEN, all will be right!

This board is, and remains, a great source for entertaining and varied opinions. I, for one, love it.

 

[wfschrec]

The guys blindly supporting marrone are the ones with the agenda.

Yep definitely ... we all get a cut of Doug's pay for posting in a positive fashion ...

 

[swish7]

Yep definitely ... we all get a cut of Doug's pay for posting in a positive fashion ...

Yep, and anyone who says anything negative about Marrone is a Georgetown graduate, acting here as a Syracuse fan, but truthfully just hoping for Syracuse's demise.

 

[Orange&Blue44]

My issue is with those calling for his premature (very) dismisal. For those not in that camp, criticism is fine, sometimes warrented, and my comments should be taken as N/A to you.

 

[SaintTristan]

Oh, you mean those that are willing to give Marrone a realistic chance, as opposed the haters obsessed with instant self gratification ?

yours is an excellent post, and one thats perfectly represenative of those who are blindly supporting marrone even though he clearly does not have what it takes to build up a program like syracuse.

Let me know when the fans come back, he starts beating BCS teams, we are no longer fighting for last place in the BE or the ACC, as the case may be, and we are getting recruits that other BCS schools actually want. I dont think you guys quite get just how poorly dougie is doing. but honestly, it would be hard to imagine him doing any worst.

This reality was my worst case scenario.

 

[rrlbees]

The responses below your post are Exhibit A of what you are referring to. Nobody is saying that all is well with the football program. Nobody is saying that the players and coaches shouldn't be criticized. I myself wonder if Marrone is the right guy or if he is recruiting the talent necessary for him to be successful.

I'm going to turn it around a bit Dick. I think most people, and most in this thread, are saying exactly what you are saying here. There are very few saying get rid of Marrone now. We have IB, who is the board cybil but not one with an agenda. We also have Stan who is the board contrarian. He disagrees to disagree. I don't see many others say get rid of Marrone. But many are critical of specific games, decisions, etc yet say they agree you don't get rid of Marrone now. Now I could also make the argument that my buddy Go has more of an agenda than the ones he is trying to call out. Re-read your words, which are the same words of many folks including JO who many here respect. Go isn't saying that, he is saying we have a long ways to go and he says that often. But he believes we have a long ways to go because of other people and things not completely in the staffs control, not because of things Marrone and the staff may or may not have done wrong. It's someone elses fault, the staff is infallible. So I think, agenda is the wrong term and I don't think there are as many "loons" as being portrayed (chuck aside). And just to be clear about my feelings as I have said in several other posts, there is no way we should be losing to ALL of our peers, but I do think Marrone will get us there and there is no way we should even be considering right now to get rid of him.

OK Go, have at it.

 

[anglerman]

Yep, and anyone who says anything negative about Marrone is a Georgetown graduate, acting here as a Syracuse fan, but truthfully just hoping for Syracuse's demise.

There is a VERY small, VERY vocal monoity that is ignorantly calling for him to be fired! This program is much better than where it was 3 years a go. This team isn't playing like the previous 2 have in terms of effort. The coaches are the same so the issue is this group of players just doent't have good chemistry.

 

[Andpuppets]

Frank Beamer is a very good coach. I think we can all agree to that. It took him 7 years to make Va Tech a consistent winner. They only won 2 games in his SIXTH year as head coach. There is no way that this program, in an essentially dead recruiting area, is going to turn around in just a couple years. Remember, we were way ahead of schedule last year and lost most of our defense. I'm not sure what other people expected but this is exactly the kind of year i expected to get.

 

[timkay99]

Special team play has been worse this year than in any GROB year (or maybe I am surpressing bad memories).

Suppressing bad memories. Remember punts in the G-Rob era? I was just happy when they fair caught it...

 

[cmr27]

This reality was my worst case scenario.

Doug isn't going anywhere if for no other reason that it's not in the school's DNA to change coaches quickly. SU has had 6 football coaches in the last 60+ years. It has had 4 lacrosse coaches in 95 years and the same guy coaching basketball for 35 years. SU always places a high value on long-term and consistent success over a quick fix. That timeframe, 35 to 95 years, cuts across school administrations so we can presume there is an institutional bias toward hiring people (with connections to SU) who will stay here for a long time.

With this in mind, Doug is not getting canned in three or four years unless there is a fundamental rethink in the way SU views athletics. We'd be talking about spending a lot more money and putting a lot more pressure on people to be successful quickly, a total break from the past. I don't see that happening (nor should it) and this is the reality of the situation.