Agenda's and loons

[wfschrec]

Yep, and anyone who says anything negative about Marrone is a Georgetown graduate, acting here as a Syracuse fan, but truthfully just hoping for Syracuse's demise.

Actually I never said you can't say anything negative ... however those who remain positive are tagged with an agenda. Pot calling the kettle black. And actually I would equate a handful of people on this board to Rutgers graduates ... Georgetown would be giving them too much credit. Note I said handful just in case you want to take this post and blow it out of proportion too ...

 

[storange]

Board is full of them these days.

Just a reminder the four years before Marrone took over this program won 10 games TOTAL.

That was better over the same time as Idaho (9), Utah State (9), North Texas (8), and Duke (6) in all of D-1.

That's the program Marrone took over.

Here is the list of TWENTY BCS conference programs that Syracuse has a better record than through this weeks games 2009 on. Arizona St, Arizona, Kentucky, Tennessee, Louisville, UCLA, Illinois, Mississippi, Oregon St, Purdue, UVA, Wake, Maryland, Duke, Minnesota, Indiana, Kansas, Colorado, Vandy, Washington State.

People need to think before they spout some of the nonsense that they do.

Agree

 

[orange03]

This site needs an ignore poster function, from my perspective, to be used for over the top, over critical negatards.
Mac didn't turn it around overnight, or in three years. Give Marrone a Goddamn chance.

This isn't 1986 anymore. Whether it's fair or not coaches better win and they better win fast. I know we're not going to fire him this year, but if we see the same old next year I'll laugh at the "we have to give him one more year" crowd. He's had time, now let's see some improvements.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

100% disagree!! 2 things stand out...

1) This board isn't loco by any means. The bar for SU football is set pretty damn low. Win 6 and go to a bowl game is essentially all reasonable fans ask for at this point in Doug's time. When you are 5-2 and on that path and now it looks like won't reach the bar which is set really really really low by DIV IA standards to begin with it is reason for fans to be up in arms and upset. Especially with the quality (or lack there of) of teams we are playing.

2) On the other side, I think so many fans are so used to watching bad football (bad SU football) for so many years that they are out of touch with reality. They think it takes 4, 5, or 6 years to turn a program around and babysteps are ok and moral victories are still acceptable. WRONG! When you are coming off an 8 win season asking for 6 wins isn't alot. The endless line of excuses for failures of simple things by Marrone is how we got in this mess to begin with under Pasqualoni/Jake, then GROB. SU isn't losing to these mediocre to bad teams because of lack of talent. They are losing because of bad coaching decisions. That is clear as day to anyone who knows football.

I for one am not saying Doug should be fired. But he has 2 years remaining on his contract and if this is how its gonna be then he isn't the right guy for the job. And you don't want him to be a lame duck trying to recruit, so after NEXT season (the 2012 season) it might be time to keep all options open and on the table "IF" he doesn't turn things around THIS YEAR and has a BAD SEASON NEXT YEAR. That isn't loco or unreasonable by any means. For a guy who spent so much time in the NFL Doug makes some idiot gameday mistakes. With time management and basic playcalling. And I'm sorry as the HEAD COACH Doug has veto power over Hackett so that (offensive playcalling) falls in his lap. Pat of the job!

It's a results oriented business. RESULTS MATTER! Doug's job hinges on results! If some people don't like that or understand that then go root for High School teams or Pop Warner. At this level. Results Matter!

A lot of people are going to really dislike this post, but I think you're spot on.

 

[Stern]

A lot of people are going to really dislike this post, but I think you're spot on.

Thank You!

 

[OttoinGrotto]

In regards to the topic at hand, I find it baffling that some actually believe this should/would be a linear process.

This year, we've taken a step back, and its undoubtedly been disappointing and frustrating. The coaching staff hasn't done a very good job this year (and Marrone has recently admitted as much). But let's not make this out to be some disastrous debacle where we have gone back to being a 3 win team. We're 5-5 and still have a legit chance at getting back to a bowl. If some people don't understand that there will be short-term fluctuations in performance, I can't help them out there.

Marrone's ultimate judgment will come when he has a roster full of his own players who fit his system. I personally don't believe what we have now offensively is remotely close to what he's trying to build or what his vision is. I'm willing to give him some time to get everything into place.

I shortened what you posted just to reply to some specific points.

For the one at the top, I actually expected us to take a step back. In the preseason progs I had us at 6 and 6. I posted many times preseason that if we could have a guaranteed 6 wins and bowl slot I would take it, because I thought the defense was going to take a big step back and I wasn't as bullish on the offense making the leap as others. I'm fine taking a step back in # of wins. My big goals for the team were earning the extra practices with a bowl berth and to see our margin for error increase. The bowl practices are still in play. I thought maybe we'd lose same games because we have a more difficult schedule this season, but that we would become a more consistently good performer. I'm so discouraged because our margin for error has gotten even thinner than it was last year. That really worries me for the program's long term outlook. I've posted many times that I feel our staff plays for the close game and not for the best possible outcome the moment could offer. I think they coach scared. I think that's shown to be a disastrous approach. Also, I agree with the other poster that said we are very, very close to being a 3 win team.

Lastly, Marrone, whether right or wrong to have done so, has been given such a long leash. People have said the offense isn't changing; others have said we don't have the talent to run the offense that's wanted. Either way, I'm hard pressed to believe that the offense we have now is the best it could be with the talent on hand, and I've posted about that elsewhere. That is a problem Marrone needs to be held accountable for.

 

[Cusefan95]

I dont think you guys quite get just how poorly dougie is doing. but honestly, it would be hard to imagine him doing any worst.

This would be an example of the over-the-top nonsense currently polluting the board, for the poster that wanted everyone to start calling each other out.

 

[Chip]

Board is full of them these days.

Just a reminder the four years before Marrone took over this program won 10 games TOTAL.

That was better over the same time as Idaho (9), Utah State (9), North Texas (8), and Duke (6) in all of D-1.

That's the program Marrone took over.

Here is the list of TWENTY BCS conference programs that Syracuse has a better record than through this weeks games 2009 on. Arizona St, Arizona, Kentucky, Tennessee, Louisville, UCLA, Illinois, Mississippi, Oregon St, Purdue, UVA, Wake, Maryland, Duke, Minnesota, Indiana, Kansas, Colorado, Vandy, Washington State.

People need to think before they spout some of the nonsense that they do.

Obviously SU shouldn't be making any moves on Marrone other than asking him if he needs more money for potential staff replacements. That's the extent of the involvement at this point. And obviously there are posters here that are getting a little cuckoo after losses. Perhaps more loons than normal.

But you're subject is interesting, you could easily be argued as on the agenda side. You've been a Marrone guy for a long time, I think even before GRob was hired. And even though you mention in this thread you admit there are some issues, you spend much of your time here discounting everyone who has a few questions about what we're seeing. Often pointing people back to 2008 and prior.

Those that fully support Marrone need to also be prepared that there's a possibility he's not head coach material. There's no previous head coaching role he's had that you can point to. Personally, I still think he is, but certain things still throw me. Offensive design and plan? Not sure, because he's mentioned at the luncheon that another QB on this team who could play would be in a different system. Clock Mgmt? That timeout (unless called by a player?) with 1:34 left in first half is concerning. Handed USF back the 3 and momentum. Will we get a special teams coordinator, or keep Anselmo there? We know Anselmo will always have a place on the staff. It's ok to ask these questions, shouldn't put someone on the loon side.

Getting that 6th win will quiet a lot of the chaos, even if people think it's a step back. It's still a key milestone.

 

[anglerman]

I'm going to turn it around a bit Dick. I think most people, and most in this thread, are saying exactly what you are saying here. There are very few saying get rid of Marrone now. We have IB, who is the board cybil but not one with an agenda. We also have Stan who is the board contrarian. He disagrees to disagree. I don't see many others say get rid of Marrone. But many are critical of specific games, decisions, etc yet say they agree you don't get rid of Marrone now. Now I could also make the argument that my buddy Go has more of an agenda than the ones he is trying to call out. Re-read your words, which are the same words of many folks including JO who many here respect. Go isn't saying that, he is saying we have a long ways to go and he says that often. But he believes we have a long ways to go because of other people and things not completely in the staffs control, not because of things Marrone and the staff may or may not have done wrong. It's someone elses fault, the staff is infallible. So I think, agenda is the wrong term and I don't think there are as many "loons" as being portrayed (chuck aside). And just to be clear about my feelings as I have said in several other posts, there is no way we should be losing to ALL of our peers, but I do think Marrone will get us there and there is no way we should even be considering right now to get rid of him.

OK Go, have at it.

Bee's you are the only person I know that actually still defends GROB, so I think you criticizing Marrone is kind of funny. As far as JO goes he isn't God. I distinctly remember him saying emphatically that Delone Carter was absolutley not an NFL running back. So his opinions can be way off too. As for posters like Stern, IB, orange03, and Saint Tristan they make this board almost unreadable with there off the charts with perpetual negativity. I think I represent the majority of posters who are really unhappy with them and that they make this board pretty awful and would like it change. It's been one over the top negative thread after another for the past 3 months. they seem to find negatives in even the most positve news.

 

[SoBristol]

Suppressing bad memories. Remember punts in the G-Rob era? I was just happy when they fair caught it...

I try not to remember that, and in the context of this thread specials may not be the big issue. Even if you are a bad team, you ought to be doing better than we are in kick-off coverage; punt coverage; return of punts; an occasional threat to block a punt. It is a sign of a well-coached team to have specials better than your opponents. We have Graham's return; and maybe 3 or 4 other good returns of kick-offs, and that's about it. Rene is excellent at fair catches. Overall, the gap we have in return yardage is just not acceptable. Some of this can be chalked up to lack of depth at key positions (linebacker, safety), but I wonder if Marrone understands the importance of specials for an average team that needs a lift.
On the other hand, I give him a lot of credit for having his offense play with relatively few penalties or turn-overs.

 

[rrlbees]

Bee's you are the only person I know that actually still defends GROB, so I think you criticizing Marrone is kind of funny.

You got that out of my post? Really? Really?

 

[GoCuse44]

at least 5 years? Where did you pull that number from? And "at least" 5 years so it could be more???? GIVE ME A BREAK!!! It does not take 5 years to take a program from 2-4 wins a year to be at 6 wins a year and bowl eligible. I'm sorry that is total BS on every level. Even in the ACC if we are there next year, which isn't all that much better than the Big East, it is not that hard of a turnaround project to make that leap to 6 wins or so consistently and go to a bowl. It's just not!
Some SU fans truly have their head in the sand or just flat out don't understand college football.

You should attend a luncheon and learn what goes into turning a college football team that was one of the worst ten teams country in 2008 into a Top 25 program. The luncheon will also offer you the opportunity to express your frustrations directly to Marrone instead of doing it on a website.

I honestly believe that you have your head in the sand because you don't realize that we have an NCAA football team in Syracuse not an NFL franchise.

1. Coach Marrone has said he would love to be in the Top 25 now but he can't go out and sign free agents to improve the SU football team overnight like he could in the NFL. He is in the process of rebuilding this program and will take some time. If an NFL team makes a mistake in the draft they cut the player and pick-up another one via free agency. In college you give a kid a scholarship and the coaches have to work their butts off to make him the best player possible since he is on a scholarship for the next 4-5 years.

2. You may think I am full of (and you won't be the first to think that) but it does take 5 years to rebuild a college football team (especially one as bad as the Cuse under GRob). In two years Marrone took this team to a bowl game and my bet is that with two weeks to prepare the Cuse will beat Cincy. That means Marrone will have taken this football program to two bowl games in the last three years. I would say that's a pretty decent start to a college coaching career.

Here is how I came to my conclusion that it will take 5 years to rebuild this football program and some things that I have heard directly from Coach Marrone:

• Year 1 (Class of 2009): Marrone was hired in December 2008 and had to put together a recruiting class in less than two months. In February 2009 he signed kids from JUCO based upon recommendations from Anselmo and also signed high school kids that he had little or no time to evaluate. Throughout 2009 Marrone could not dedicate 100% of his time to recruiting because he had to develop relationships with a number of high school coaches across the country because they were destroyed by GRob and the firing of Coach P. (He still can't get into some high schools today.)
• Year 2 (Class of 2010): Marrone said he was a year behind in recruiting in 2009 because other coaches have been onto prospects in their junior year of high school. Marrone is still working to get his foot in the door at some high schools in 2009. He was told by some coaches who he considers close friends not to even bother to stop by the school to talk with a player because he coaches at Syracuse University.
• Year 3 (Class of 2011): Marrone said he is now 6 months behind in recruiting in 2010 but is making inroads into many high schools. Marrone believes the OL he recruited/signed in the 2011 class will give the Cuse the best OL in the Big East. Marrone would love to redshirt all of the freshman in this class but due to lack of depth he can only redshirt a few. The one's he could redshirt will make an impact in the 2012 season at OL, LB, WR.
• Year 4 (Class of 2012): Marrone wins the Pinstripe Bowl in 2011 and the Cuse joins the ACC. Marrone says he has caught up to the competition in terms of recruiting and getting onto recruits early. He and Atkins have some great contacts in the Atlanta, GA area from their days at GT and the move to the ACC gives them another area to recruit that is full of D1 football players. Marrone says he has 25 commitments for the 2012 class by the end of October 2011. Marrone loves the 2012 class and he has the recruiting board up at Manley for the 2013 class by November 1, 2011.
• Year 5 (Class of 2013): Marrone said he is now 1 year ahead in recruiting in October 2011. During the WVU bye week he is on the recruiting trails making offers to juniors in high school to come play for the Cuse in 2013. Marrone figures if we can get to them first we have a great shot at landing some of these kids. Marrone said he is finally making some inroads into New Jersey high schools. The effects of the Coach P firing and destruction of the program by GRob still linger. The football facilities within Manley field house are finally getting a much needed upgrade in 2011 but we still have a ways to before we are on par with the other D1 schools (i.e. indoor practice facility) but the indoor facility at Manley is working out well.

It's not until August 2013 that Marrone will have a roster full of players that he has had an opportunity evaluate and recruit. Marrone now has enough athletes that he can redshirt the majority of the 2013 class so they may not see the playing field until the 2014 season. If my math is right it has taken Marrone 5 years (2008-2013) to get all of the players he wants for his offensive/defensive schemes on the roster.

I think if you look at things with an open mind you can see that it takes at least 5 years to rebuild a college football team. Especially one that in 2008 was one of the worst in D1 football.

Hopefully I will see you at the luncheon tomorrow.

 

[Stern]

You should attend a luncheon and learn what goes into turning a college football team that was one of the worst ten teams country in 2008 into a Top 25 program. The luncheon will also offer you the opportunity to express your frustrations directly to Marrone instead of doing it on a website.

I honestly believe that you have your head in the sand because you don't realize that we have an NCAA football team in Syracuse not an NFL franchise.

1. Coach Marrone has said he would love to be in the Top 25 now but he can't go out and sign free agents to improve the SU football team overnight like he could in the NFL. He is in the process of rebuilding this program and will take some time. If an NFL team makes a mistake in the draft they cut the player and pick-up another one via free agency. In college you give a kid a scholarship and the coaches have to work their butts off to make him the best player possible since he is on a scholarship for the next 4-5 years.

2. You may think I am full of (and you won't be the first to think that) but it does take 5 years to rebuild a college football team (especially one as bad as the Cuse under GRob). In two years Marrone took this team to a bowl game and my bet is that with two weeks to prepare the Cuse will beat Cincy. That means Marrone will have taken this football program to two bowl games in the last three years. I would say that's a pretty decent start to a college coaching career.

Here is how I came to my conclusion that it will take 5 years to rebuild this football program and some things that I have heard directly from Coach Marrone:

• Year 1 (Class of 2009): Marrone was hired in December 2008 and had to put together a recruiting class in less than two months. In February 2009 he signed kids from JUCO based upon recommendations from Anselmo and also signed high school kids that he had little or no time to evaluate. Throughout 2009 Marrone could not dedicate 100% of his time to recruiting because he had to develop relationships with a number of high school coaches across the country because they were destroyed by GRob and the firing of Coach P. (He still can't get into some high schools today.)
• Year 2 (Class of 2010): Marrone said he was a year behind in recruiting in 2009 because other coaches have been onto prospects in their junior year of high school. Marrone is still working to get his foot in the door at some high schools in 2009. He was told by some coaches who he considers close friends not to even bother to stop by the school to talk with a player because he coaches at Syracuse University.
• Year 3 (Class of 2011): Marrone said he is now 6 months behind in recruiting in 2010 but is making inroads into many high schools. Marrone believes the OL he recruited/signed in the 2011 class will give the Cuse the best OL in the Big East. Marrone would love to redshirt all of the freshman in this class but due to lack of depth he can only redshirt a few. The one's he could redshirt will make an impact in the 2012 season at OL, LB, WR.
• Year 4 (Class of 2012): Marrone wins the Pinstripe Bowl in 2011 and the Cuse joins the ACC. Marrone says he has caught up to the competition in terms of recruiting and getting onto recruits early. He and Atkins have some great contacts in the Atlanta, GA area from their days at GT and the move to the ACC gives them another area to recruit that is full of D1 football players. Marrone says he has 25 commitments for the 2012 class by the end of October 2011. Marrone loves the 2012 class and he has the recruiting board up at Manley for the 2013 class by November 1, 2011.
• Year 5 (Class of 2013): Marrone said he is now 1 year ahead in recruiting in October 2011. During the WVU bye week he is on the recruiting trails making offers to juniors in high school to come play for the Cuse in 2013. Marrone figures if we can get to them first we have a great shot at landing some of these kids. Marrone said he is finally making some inroads into New Jersey high schools. The effects of the Coach P firing and destruction of the program by GRob still linger. The football facilities within Manley field house are finally getting a much needed upgrade in 2011 but we still have a ways to before we are on par with the other D1 schools (i.e. indoor practice facility) but the indoor facility at Manley is working out well.

It's not until August 2013 that Marrone will have a roster full of players that he has had an opportunity evaluate and recruit. Marrone now has enough athletes that he can redshirt the majority of the 2013 class so they may not see the playing field until the 2014 season. If my math is right it has taken Marrone 5 years (2008-2013) to get all of the players he wants for his offensive/defensive schemes on the roster.

I think if you look at things with an open mind you can see that it takes at least 5 years to rebuild a college football team. Especially one that in 2008 was one of the worst in D1 football.

Hopefully I will see you at the luncheon tomorrow.

No I actually work during the day I can't attend a luncheon. But to say it takes 5 years is foolish. It really is. Especially in a bad conference like the Big East.

And yes I agree with Pt 2...you are full of it! And nothing more than an apologist for Marrone. Once again, I'm not calling for his head but I am also NOT giving him the free pass you are. Once again we are NOT losing games this year because of talent. But because of flat out bad in-game coaching decisions. That has nothing to do with players, facilities, or anything else.

 

[liljoe]

The guys blindly supporting marrone are the ones with the agenda.

Can anyone truly have an agenda? I mean, I can't imagine anyone here stands to gain much from Marrone staying or going... If one of his assistants was posting, you couldbsaynthey have an agenda. If someone hoping to be head coach at SU was posting, they would have a legitimate agenda.

Opinions? Yes. Agendas? Doubtful.

I guess if one was posting simply to be obnoxious and anger others, you could say they have an agenda...

 

[VirginiaOrange]

Off the top of my head I can think of several programs - including a couple that started off in far worse shape than SU - that made great hires and turned it around quickly. I am sure that with some research - there are others but for now I will limit the Google searches to team records before and after.

Al Golden took Temple from 1-11 to 9-4 in 3 years. And there was no worse D1 program in the country than Temple - and it still amazes me that they have been able to get recruits to even visit their campus.

Spurrier took Duke - at the time, another perennial crap program from 4-7 to 7-3 in two years.

London has turned UVA around in year two.

And for those people out here that love to use Beamer and VTech as an example of how it took 7 years for him to turn it around, I call BS - Beamer went from 2-9 to 6-4-1 in 2 years, not 7 years.

I have no agenda - quite frankly, my life won't change whether SU goes 0-11 or 11-0. Just tired of watching uninspired crappy football - this year SU has be involved in some of the worst games in all of college football and there is no defending DM or anyone else for these horrible showings. Especially when the talent on the roster now is better than it was 3 years ago at most (not all) positions.

 

[GoSU96]

I'm going to turn it around a bit Dick. I think most people, and most in this thread, are saying exactly what you are saying here. There are very few saying get rid of Marrone now. We have IB, who is the board cybil but not one with an agenda. We also have Stan who is the board contrarian. He disagrees to disagree. I don't see many others say get rid of Marrone. But many are critical of specific games, decisions, etc yet say they agree you don't get rid of Marrone now. Now I could also make the argument that my buddy Go has more of an agenda than the ones he is trying to call out. Re-read your words, which are the same words of many folks including JO who many here respect. Go isn't saying that, he is saying we have a long ways to go and he says that often. But he believes we have a long ways to go because of other people and things not completely in the staffs control, not because of things Marrone and the staff may or may not have done wrong. It's someone elses fault, the staff is infallible. So I think, agenda is the wrong term and I don't think there are as many "loons" as being portrayed (chuck aside). And just to be clear about my feelings as I have said in several other posts, there is no way we should be losing to ALL of our peers, but I do think Marrone will get us there and there is no way we should even be considering right now to get rid of him.

OK Go, have at it.

I'm not blaming anyone, but when you take over a program that was as bad as this one, you need to measure progress from that starting point, and similar programs, not what you want the program to be in the future.

This job was NOT taking over a .500 program and making it better. Some people obviously don't realize that.

 

[GoSU96]

This isn't 1986 anymore. Whether it's fair or not coaches better win and they better win fast. I know we're not going to fire him this year, but if we see the same old next year I'll laugh at the "we have to give him one more year" crowd. He's had time, now let's see some improvements.

Let's see some improvements?

 

[GoSU96]

Off the top of my head I can think of several programs - including a couple that started off in far worse shape than SU - that made great hires and turned it around quickly. I am sure that with some research - there are others but for now I will limit the Google searches to team records before and after.

Al Golden took Temple from 1-11 to 9-4 in 3 years. And there was no worse D1 program in the country than Temple - and it still amazes me that they have been able to get recruits to even visit their campus.

Spurrier took Duke - at the time, another perennial crap program from 4-7 to 7-3 in two years.

London has turned UVA around in year two.

And for those people out here that love to use Beamer and VTech as an example of how it took 7 years for him to turn it around, I call BS - Beamer went from 2-9 to 6-4-1 in 2 years, not 7 years.

I have no agenda - quite frankly, my life won't change whether SU goes 0-11 or 11-0. Just tired of watching uninspired crappy football - this year SU has be involved in some of the worst games in all of college football and there is no defending DM or anyone else for these horrible showings. Especially when the talent on the roster now is better than it was 3 years ago at most (not all) positions.

Uh, they won 8 games last year.

 

[Aweart23]

Off the top of my head I can think of several programs - including a couple that started off in far worse shape than SU - that made great hires and turned it around quickly. I am sure that with some research - there are others but for now I will limit the Google searches to team records before and after.

Al Golden took Temple from 1-11 to 9-4 in 3 years. And there was no worse D1 program in the country than Temple - and it still amazes me that they have been able to get recruits to even visit their campus.

Spurrier took Duke - at the time, another perennial crap program from 4-7 to 7-3 in two years.

London has turned UVA around in year two.

And for those people out here that love to use Beamer and VTech as an example of how it took 7 years for him to turn it around, I call BS - Beamer went from 2-9 to 6-4-1 in 2 years, not 7 years.

I have no agenda - quite frankly, my life won't change whether SU goes 0-11 or 11-0. Just tired of watching uninspired crappy football - this year SU has be involved in some of the worst games in all of college football and there is no defending DM or anyone else for these horrible showings. Especially when the talent on the roster now is better than it was 3 years ago at most (not all) positions.

Wasn't our record 8-5 last year with a bowl win or did I dream that? Beamer was 2-8 in year 6...

I understand you are only as good as your last game...but progress is not going to be linear...

 

[ClkWrkOrange]

You should attend a luncheon and learn what goes into turning a college football team that was one of the worst ten teams country in 2008 into a Top 25 program. The luncheon will also offer you the opportunity to express your frustrations directly to Marrone instead of doing it on a website.

I honestly believe that you have your head in the sand because you don't realize that we have an NCAA football team in Syracuse not an NFL franchise.

1. Coach Marrone has said he would love to be in the Top 25 now but he can't go out and sign free agents to improve the SU football team overnight like he could in the NFL. He is in the process of rebuilding this program and will take some time. If an NFL team makes a mistake in the draft they cut the player and pick-up another one via free agency. In college you give a kid a scholarship and the coaches have to work their butts off to make him the best player possible since he is on a scholarship for the next 4-5 years.

2. You may think I am full of (and you won't be the first to think that) but it does take 5 years to rebuild a college football team (especially one as bad as the Cuse under GRob). In two years Marrone took this team to a bowl game and my bet is that with two weeks to prepare the Cuse will beat Cincy. That means Marrone will have taken this football program to two bowl games in the last three years. I would say that's a pretty decent start to a college coaching career.

Here is how I came to my conclusion that it will take 5 years to rebuild this football program and some things that I have heard directly from Coach Marrone:

• Year 1 (Class of 2009): Marrone was hired in December 2008 and had to put together a recruiting class in less than two months. In February 2009 he signed kids from JUCO based upon recommendations from Anselmo and also signed high school kids that he had little or no time to evaluate. Throughout 2009 Marrone could not dedicate 100% of his time to recruiting because he had to develop relationships with a number of high school coaches across the country because they were destroyed by GRob and the firing of Coach P. (He still can't get into some high schools today.)
• Year 2 (Class of 2010): Marrone said he was a year behind in recruiting in 2009 because other coaches have been onto prospects in their junior year of high school. Marrone is still working to get his foot in the door at some high schools in 2009. He was told by some coaches who he considers close friends not to even bother to stop by the school to talk with a player because he coaches at Syracuse University.
• Year 3 (Class of 2011): Marrone said he is now 6 months behind in recruiting in 2010 but is making inroads into many high schools. Marrone believes the OL he recruited/signed in the 2011 class will give the Cuse the best OL in the Big East. Marrone would love to redshirt all of the freshman in this class but due to lack of depth he can only redshirt a few. The one's he could redshirt will make an impact in the 2012 season at OL, LB, WR.
• Year 4 (Class of 2012): Marrone wins the Pinstripe Bowl in 2011 and the Cuse joins the ACC. Marrone says he has caught up to the competition in terms of recruiting and getting onto recruits early. He and Atkins have some great contacts in the Atlanta, GA area from their days at GT and the move to the ACC gives them another area to recruit that is full of D1 football players. Marrone says he has 25 commitments for the 2012 class by the end of October 2011. Marrone loves the 2012 class and he has the recruiting board up at Manley for the 2013 class by November 1, 2011.
• Year 5 (Class of 2013): Marrone said he is now 1 year ahead in recruiting in October 2011. During the WVU bye week he is on the recruiting trails making offers to juniors in high school to come play for the Cuse in 2013. Marrone figures if we can get to them first we have a great shot at landing some of these kids. Marrone said he is finally making some inroads into New Jersey high schools. The effects of the Coach P firing and destruction of the program by GRob still linger. The football facilities within Manley field house are finally getting a much needed upgrade in 2011 but we still have a ways to before we are on par with the other D1 schools (i.e. indoor practice facility) but the indoor facility at Manley is working out well.

It's not until August 2013 that Marrone will have a roster full of players that he has had an opportunity evaluate and recruit. Marrone now has enough athletes that he can redshirt the majority of the 2013 class so they may not see the playing field until the 2014 season. If my math is right it has taken Marrone 5 years (2008-2013) to get all of the players he wants for his offensive/defensive schemes on the roster.

I think if you look at things with an open mind you can see that it takes at least 5 years to rebuild a college football team. Especially one that in 2008 was one of the worst in D1 football.

Hopefully I will see you at the luncheon tomorrow.

Who the hell is asking for top 25 THIS YEAR?Anyone expecting that is out of their minds.We're just asking for a team that doesn't flat out suck on offense,defense and specials.One that's prepared to play games and shows some of the discipline,toughness and heart that we saw in DMs first 2 teams.Do you honestly believe we lack the talent to handle teams like RI,Tulane and UCONN?WOW,if that's true in year 3,we're in some deep !

 

[orange03]

Let's see some improvements?

Yeah. Sorry, but I'm not content with what we currently are. I'll give him that we're better off than with GROB, but I don't set the bar so low. We're probably the worst team in the worst BCS conference that ever existed. If things don't show improvement next year then we need to seriously take a look at where we are. Sorry if you disagree but I'm entitled to an opinion.

 

[swish7]

Yeah. Sorry, but I'm not content with what we currently are. I'll give him that we're better off than with GROB, but I don't set the bar so low. We're probably the worst team in the worst BCS conference that ever existed. If things don't show improvement next year then we need to seriously take a look at where we are. Sorry if you disagree but I'm entitled to an opinion.

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[wfschrec]

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