Alabama and Ohio State

[Fjoinkay]

should be in, and Georgia should be out. If you truly want the best 4 teams that is how it needs to be.

Alabama is clearly the best team in the the SEC. Georgia is good, but a close look at the SEC East says it all. SEC teams play 8 conference games while the B1G (Pac12 and Big12 also) play 9 conference games. That means the SEC East teams play against 8 P5 schools plus any P5 schools that they schedule out of conference, while the B1G schools play against 9 P5 teams plus any P5 schools they play out of conference. If you look at the SEC East teams OOC record it looks really bad. Georgia is good, and to their credit they played Notre Dame OOC, but they should never have been ranked #1 earlier. The AP and the Coaches poll had it right. The committee linked Georgia and Notre Dame and jumped them in the rankings which was a mistake. Clemson rolled South Carolina in one of SC's OOC P5 games. SC did beat NC State at home by 7 points in the first game of the season. Louisville ran over Kentucky in UK's one OOC P5 game. Michigan destroyed Florida, and Florida State beat Florida's in UF's OOC games against P5 shcools. Purdue beat Mizzou in Mizzou's one P5 OOC game. Tennesee did beat Georgia Tech in it's one OOC game against a P5 school, but that just minimizes Georgia's win over GT. And Vandy beat Kansas State in Vandy's one OOC game against a P5 school, but more than anything that calls into question the strength of the Pac12.

Also, SEC teams play cupcakes in November instead of early in the season which helps them in the current system. The SOS algorithm or measurement is flawed and needs to be fixed. SOS should not be calculated until at least 8 games into the season. Algorithms are very useful, but they are also very biased because they are man made. Any algorithm involves a series of "this-not that" decisions and any algorithm also involves a series of "this-more than that" decisions. Each decision is man made and subjective. They are all editorial decisions that are biased. SOS the way it is calculated now can be heavily biased by pre-season rankings made of all FBS schools. That should not be the case. SOS needs to be out of the picture entirely and not even calculated until at least the 8th game of the season.

The best 4 teams are Clemson, Alabama, Oklahoma, and Ohio State.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

Alabama's schedule was no great shakes this season.

 

[Fjoinkay]

Alabama's schedule was no great shakes this season.

Yes, the SEC West wasn't all that impressive this season either. I just think the SEC East was very weak, and Bama is better than Georgia. People want the best 4 teams, then Bama and Ohio State belong in the final 4.

 

[Alsacs]

Georgia is one of the best 4 teams.
They won at Notre Dame
They won at Georgia Tech.
Humiliated Tennessee and Florida.
Won there conference title convincingly over the team they lost to on the road.

Clemson, Oklahoma, Georgia are locks.
It’s Alabama for me 4th.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

Yes, the SEC West wasn't all that impressive this season either. I just think the SEC East was very weak, and Bama is better than Georgia. People want the best 4 teams, then Bama and Ohio State belong in the final 4.

Why is Alabama better than Georgia? I'm not convinced the game results suggest that.

 

[TheCusian]

I don’t know we can say Alabama is better than Georgia or Auburn.

I think it’s a crappy choice between Ohio State or Bama.

 

[djorange1989]

I don’t know we can say Alabama is better than Georgia or Auburn.

I think it’s a crappy choice between Ohio State or Bama.

Yep and Clemson will smack either one(I assume that will be the matchup)

 

[orangecuse]

should be in, and Georgia should be out. If you truly want the best 4 teams that is how it needs to be.

Alabama is clearly the best team in the the SEC. Georgia is good, but a close look at the SEC East says it all. SEC teams play 8 conference games while the B1G (Pac12 and Big12 also) play 9 conference games. That means the SEC East teams play against 8 P5 schools plus any P5 schools that they schedule out of conference, while the B1G schools play against 9 P5 teams plus any P5 schools they play out of conference. If you look at the SEC East teams OOC record it looks really bad. Georgia is good, and to their credit they played Notre Dame OOC, but they should never have been ranked #1 earlier. The AP and the Coaches poll had it right. The committee linked Georgia and Notre Dame and jumped them in the rankings which was a mistake. Clemson rolled South Carolina in SC's one OOC P5 game. Louisville ran over Kentucky in UK's one OOC P5 game. Michigan destroyed Florida in Florida's one OOC P5 game. Purdue beat Mizzou in Mizzou's one P5 OOC game. Tennesee did beat Georgia Tech in it's one OOC game against a P5 school, but that just minimizes Georgia's win over GT. And Vandy beat Kansas State in Vandy's one OOC game against a P5 school, but more than anything that calls into question the strength of the Pac12.

Also, SEC teams play cupcakes in November instead of early in the season which helps them in the current system. The SOS algorithm or measurement is flawed and needs to be fixed. SOS should not be calculated until at least 8 games into the season. Algorithms are very useful, but they are also very biased because they are man made. Any algorithm involves a series of "this-not that" decisions and any algorithm also involves a series of "this-more than that" decisions. Each decision is man made and subjective. They are all editorial decisions that are biased. SOS the way it is calculated now can be heavily biased by pre-season rankings made of all FBS schools. That should not be the case. SOS needs to be out of the picture entirely and not even calculated until at least the 8th game of the season.

The best 4 teams are Clemson, Alabama, Oklahoma, and Ohio State.

Just another example where one's opinion is all it is, no different than the committee's decision based upon their individual opinions. Moreover, why this 4 team playoff is just slightly less of a joke than its predecessor 2 team BCS.

If these FBS schools didn't have such lessor capable "student athletes" maybe they would be able to have a true playoff as their apparent higher capacity type "student athlete" brothers of the FCS schools.

 

[shu 49]

should be in, and Georgia should be out. If you truly want the best 4 teams that is how it needs to be.

Alabama is clearly the best team in the the SEC. Georgia is good, but a close look at the SEC East says it all. SEC teams play 8 conference games while the B1G (Pac12 and Big12 also) play 9 conference games. That means the SEC East teams play against 8 P5 schools plus any P5 schools that they schedule out of conference, while the B1G schools play against 9 P5 teams plus any P5 schools they play out of conference. If you look at the SEC East teams OOC record it looks really bad. Georgia is good, and to their credit they played Notre Dame OOC, but they should never have been ranked #1 earlier. The AP and the Coaches poll had it right. The committee linked Georgia and Notre Dame and jumped them in the rankings which was a mistake. Clemson rolled South Carolina in SC's one OOC P5 game. Louisville ran over Kentucky in UK's one OOC P5 game. Michigan destroyed Florida in Florida's one OOC P5 game. Purdue beat Mizzou in Mizzou's one P5 OOC game. Tennesee did beat Georgia Tech in it's one OOC game against a P5 school, but that just minimizes Georgia's win over GT. And Vandy beat Kansas State in Vandy's one OOC game against a P5 school, but more than anything that calls into question the strength of the Pac12.

Also, SEC teams play cupcakes in November instead of early in the season which helps them in the current system. The SOS algorithm or measurement is flawed and needs to be fixed. SOS should not be calculated until at least 8 games into the season. Algorithms are very useful, but they are also very biased because they are man made. Any algorithm involves a series of "this-not that" decisions and any algorithm also involves a series of "this-more than that" decisions. Each decision is man made and subjective. They are all editorial decisions that are biased. SOS the way it is calculated now can be heavily biased by pre-season rankings made of all FBS schools. That should not be the case. SOS needs to be out of the picture entirely and not even calculated until at least the 8th game of the season.

The best 4 teams are Clemson, Alabama, Oklahoma, and Ohio State.

I respectfully disagree on Ohio state. They lost 55 to 20 something to Iowa. They might not even make top 8. Georgia deserves that spot clearly. Other than that, u are dead on.

 

[upperdeck]

i think its Ok and Clem and everything else is a crap shoot.. Ala has no offense so hard to get a read. I think Auburn is talented and poorly coached and I dont get the Georgia love since really they have only the ND game and Miami destroyed ND so that throws that out the window. Ala gets punished by not getting Auburn twice and Georgia gets rewarded.. I also agree with what someone said if you reverse the order of the games and Ala/Auburn is week 1 and Aub/LSU is week 11 Alabama is ranked ahead of Auburn this week and everything is skewed diferently.

I think if you put Alabama in the OSU big 10 they still have probably 1 loss but if you put Georgie in there they have at least 3.

 

[maxxyz]

I would think the Midwest would riot if two SEC teams got in and no Big10 representative. The conference championships are the closest thing we have to a playoff. The winners should advance.

Otherwise it’s a popularity contest and it would be Alabama, UCLA, Michigan and Ohio State every year for good tv ratings.

 

[Fjoinkay]

Georgia is one of the best 4 teams.
They won at Notre Dame
They won at Georgia Tech.
Humiliated Tennessee and Florida.
Won there conference title convincingly over the team they lost to on the road.

Clemson, Oklahoma, Georgia are locks.
It’s Alabama for me 4th.

That's a reasonable analysis. I just think Bama is better than Georgia, and I think Ohio State is better than Georgia. I do respect Georgia for the way they scheduled OOC. But Ohio State lost to Iowa the week after a battle against Penn State. In fact, Penn State lost that same week after playing against Ohio State. Both schools had off-weeks after that showdown. And B1G schools play 9 conference games. That hurts them when they are compared to SEC schools. The B1G, the Big12 and the Pac12 need to seriously consider reducing their conference schedule to 8 games and also schedule cupcakes in November before rivalry week unless the SEC decides to move to a 9 game conference schedule. Fans would lose if the every conference played just an 8 game schedule, but a level playing field must be the aim.

 

[Fjoinkay]

I would think the Midwest would riot if two SEC teams got in and no Big10 representative. The conference championships are the closest thing we have to a playoff. The winners should advance.

Otherwise it’s a popularity contest and it would be Alabama, UCLA, Michigan and Ohio State every year for good tv ratings.

I agree. Unfortunately, the playoffs this season have been heavily marketed as the best 4 teams getting in. The problem with that is that the best 4 teams don's always win the conference championship and sometimes they don't even make it to the conference championship game. So, if the best 4 teams is really the aim, then I think Alabama and Ohio State need to be in, and unfortunately Georgia should be out.

 

[Fjoinkay]

Take a look at the B1G East scheduling. The B1G was a slugfest this season. Ohio State, Penn State, Michigan and Michigan State were all good teams. They all played a 9 game conference schedule. OOC they each played against one P5 school and two non-P5 schools. So in addition to playing 9 games in arguably the most competitive conference division among all P5 conferences, Ohio State lost OOC against Oklahoma, Penn State beat Pitt at Pitt, Michigan State lost to Notre Dame, Michigan beat Florida. Even on down the line the B1G schools even though they play 9 conference games they each scheduled a game against an OOC P5 school, Rutgers lost to Washington, Maryland beat Texas and lost to UCF, and Indiana beat Virginia at Virginia. Even though this is great for the fans, the B1G East should change to an 8 game conference schedule and play against a cupcake the week before the rivalry game in November in order to level the playing field unless the SEC moves to a 9 game conference schedule. The same goes for the Pac12 and the Big12.

 

[rrlbees]

Vegas says Alabama would be a 5 1/2 point favorite over Ohio St.

 

[Fjoinkay]

Vegas says Alabama would be a 5 1/2 point favorite over Ohio St.

Vegas has Bama favored against everyone?

 

[690West]

Could someone on committee leaked that it’s Bama? Betting markets are going crazy in last 15 minutes. Bama now -320 ish to make it.

 

[Trueblue25]

Im not sure bama beats georgia on neutral grounds.

I think Clemson runs away with it this year

 

[Fjoinkay]

Im not sure bama beats georgia on neutral grounds.

I think Clemson runs away with it this year

I think a healthy Bama beats Georgia, and the committee this season factors in injuries when assessing teams. They took into consideration injuries earlier this season after the Cuse beat Clemson. I'm not saying that I agree with the committee factoring in injuries, but this committee does consider injuries when evaluating the best 4 teams.

 

[MSOrange]

Putting too much weight on conference championships seems stupid to me considering not everyone plays the same schedule.

 

[maxxyz]

I think a healthy Bama beats Georgia, and the committee this season factors in injuries when assessing teams. They took into consideration injuries earlier this season after the Cuse beat Clemson. I'm not saying that I agree with the committee factoring in injuries, but this committee does consider injuries when evaluating the best 4 teams.

I see your point, and it makes sense. But if the goal is to get the four best teams, it should be the four best right now, not when everyone is healthy in the spring. Just my two cents.

 

[maxxyz]

Vegas says Alabama would be a 5 1/2 point favorite over Ohio St.

Vegas doesn’t make odds to predict the winner. Vegas makes odds to stimulate betting evenly on both sides.

Oh - and to stimulate buzz about betting. Mission accomplished!

 

[MG44]

I hope good teams get left out, conferences complain, coaches cry, fans burn couches...and the CFBP gets expanded sooner rather than later

 

[Fjoinkay]

I see your point, and it makes sense. But if the goal is to get the four best teams, it should be the four best right now, not when everyone is healthy in the spring. Just my two cents.

That's a great point. I bring this up because this committee earlier this season evaluated Clemson's loss to SU factoring in Kelly Bryant's injuries. I even heard one of the analysts on air at ESPN say that the committee views the Clemson's loss to the Cuse as Clemson having .5 losses instead of being a one loss team because Bryant played with a sore ankle and then was concussed. That's funny because for the Cuse it's a complete W (if not more).

 

[Deano]

Too funny that people are forgetting about Alabama's first game of the year as FSU was I believe in Top 3 at that time. FSU had all of their top players during that game, well the QB up until sometime in the 4th quarter, but it was pretty much over at that point.