Alabama and Ohio State

[orangepassion]

Good point, hornybrook cant shine fromms shoes.

I actually have a good source that tells me Hornibrook is quite the shoe shiner

 

[Fjoinkay]

So , you think OSU over UGA? UGA, the SEC champ? OSU was blown out twice. CFB is the best regular season bc every game matters from September on. Disregard OSU's 2 blowout wins and that negates the importance of the reg. Season. OSU AND Urban approach the regular season like calipari does the UK schedule. Just get better and improve and learn as the season goes on and peak at the end. Works in hoops, not fb.

The committee said the very best 4 teams are in, and all season long ESPN has been saying it needs to be the 4 best teams. Using that standard I think Georgia is a really good team but Ohio State is better for all the reasons I wrote about earlier. I think saying it's the very best 4 teams as the committee did isn't accurate. The committee shouldn't say the 4 best are in because sometimes the best teams do not get in. The B1G needs to seriously consider going to an 8 game conference schedule and also seriously consider playing a cupcake in November before rivalry week. As it is right now the SEC benefits from playing just 8 conference games and playing that additional OOC game late in November at home.

 

[Ish88888]

The committee said the very best 4 teams are in, and all season long ESPN has been saying it needs to be the 4 best teams. Using that standard I think Georgia is a really good team but Ohio State is better for all the reasons I wrote about earlier. I think saying it's the very best 4 teams as the committee did isn't accurate. They shouldn't say that is the case because sometimes the best teams do not get in. The B1G needs to seriously consider going to an 8 game conference schedule and also seriously consider playing a cupcake in November before rivalry week. As it is right now the SEC benefits from playing just 8 conference games and playing that additional OOC game late in November at home.

The big needs to realign to increase their chances to look good and make the playoff. The B10 West is flat out week and the east has 3 teams that eat each other up. Not sure how you can argue OSU is better than UGA. look at their resumes and seasons. Where was OSU stressed in the OOC? you still haven't explained the 2 blow out losses.

Again, the way it all ended, Auburn might have been better than both UGA and BAMA. I hate Bama, i am just being real. To have to play your life, blood rival the last week, beat them and come back with the same energy and juice the next week in the SEC Championship? Thats a rough expectation. So yes, the best 4 teams RIGHT NOW: Clemson, OU, UGA, Auburn .

Auburns 3 losses are way better than OSU's 2 losses...

 

[Ish88888]

Auburn beat a very banged up Bama team a week ago. A healthy Bama would have beaten Auburn in my opinion. Auburn also lost to LSU the week after LSU lost to Troy. Their loss to Clemson is an impressive loss I guess, but they only play 8 conference games. OOC Auburn also played Mercer, Georgia State and Louisana Monroe. They played Louisana Monroe in November so they could tune up before playing a very banged up Bama.

Again, the B1G, Big 12 and Pac 12 need to move to an 8 game conference schedule and also play a cupcake in November. If the SEC can do it and prosper and not change to a 9 game conference schedule, then the Bigs need to move to an 8 game conference schedule to level the playing field.

Not buying the banged up thing for bama. Come on, everyone is hurt this time of year. They have a few key lbs hurt...oh well.

 

[bpo57]

He played against a very banged up Bama.

I hear ya. You don't have to convince me about Bama's worthiness. I agree with you.

 

[Deano]

Nick enjoyed the announcement -

 

[Fjoinkay]

The big needs to realign to increase their chances to look good and make the playoff. The B10 West is flat out week and the east has 3 teams that eat each other up. Not sure how you can argue OSU is better than UGA. look at their resumes and seasons. Where was OSU stressed in the OOC? you still haven't explained the 2 blow out losses.

Again, the way it all ended, Auburn might have been better than both UGA and BAMA. I hate Bama, i am just being real. To have to play your life, blood rival the last week, beat them and come back with the same energy and juice the next week in the SEC Championship? Thats a rough expectation. So yes, the best 4 teams RIGHT NOW: Clemson, OU, UGA, Auburn .

Auburns 3 losses are way better than OSU's 2 losses...

Ohio State played Oklahoma OOC and lost by 15 points. It was a 3 point game in the 4th quarter. Ohio State plays 9 conference games to Georgia's 8 conference games in a much more difficult conference division- the B1G East is much better than the SEC East right now. Ohio State is more talented and is a more complete team when you look at offense and defense. The loss to Iowa hurt them, and that is why the committee chose Alabama over Ohio State. I would have chosen Bama over Ohio State although it was a close call. I also, if the 4 best teams is the standard as the committee proclaimed every week and as ESPN marketed heavily for months, would have chosen Ohio State over Georgia despite the two losses as the 4th best team.

Ohio State went into Iowa after beating a very good Penn State team in a battle. People forget that Penn State barely escaped Iowa City with a win earlier in the season. Iowa was playing really well early this season, and they play really well against top ranked teams at home. Last season they beat a really good Michigan team. Being the week after the hard fought game with Penn State, Ohio State lost at Iowa which is a difficult place to play, and Penn State lost to Michigan State. Both teams suffered the week after playing each other. Maybe they should have scheduled a cupcake in there someplace and scheduled one less conference game (8 instead of 9) to soften the blows taken during the B1G grind? That's what the SEC teams do with only 8 conference games on the schedule and many of them scheduling that extra OOC game against a cupcake in November. So, while I can see why the committee selected the way it did, in my opinion the 4 best teams, if that is truly the standard, are: Clemson, Bama, Oklahoma, and Ohio State.

Auburn beat a very banged up Bama team a week ago. Two weeks ago Bama was so banged up that Bama barely beat Mississippi State. This was just after MS barely beat a really bad UMass team at home the previous week. Bama healthy is a much better team than Auburn this year in my opinion. Also, Auburn lost to LSU the week after LSU lost to Troy. Basically, the SEC was a mess this season. Bama was the best team in the SEC. The committee rated Georgia too highly early on based on a one point win in South Bend against Notre Dame. No way the win in South Bend meant that Georgia was number one ahead of Bama, but the committee rated them that way anyway, and then the committee justified that rating by propping up ND and rating them too highly after a loss at home saying it was ND's strength of schedule and the fact that ND lost to Georgia who is now number one. The committee linked those two teams justifying each team's ranking by referring to the other and rated both too highly, which came to light very soon. That showed me right there that the committee really liked Georgia even though the SEC East was obviously having a down year. Then a couple of weeks later both Georgia and ND were blown out during the same weekend. After those blow out losses both should have fallen further than they did as they were linked and with each one having been used to justify the other's ranking. Then Notre Dame lost to Stanford and struggled to win other games. The committee whiffed on ND, and really surprised most people when they rated Georgia ahead of Bama in the process.

With all being said and done, Georgia is a good team, but I think Ohio State is a more complete and better team. I see why the committee selected Georgia, but Georgia is not one of the 4 best teams.

 

[Briancuse]

Committee got it right, you want to be a playoff team don't lose by 31 to Iowa, and Uga 100 pct deserved to get in.

 

[Ish88888]

Ohio State played Oklahoma OOC and lost by 15 points. It was a 3 point game in the 4th quarter. Ohio State plays 9 conference games to Georgia's 8 conference games in a much more difficult conference division- the B1G East is much better than the SEC East right now. Ohio State is more talented and is a more complete team when you look at offense and defense. The loss to Iowa hurt them, and that is why the committee chose Alabama over Ohio State. I would have chosen Bama over Ohio State although it was a close call. I also, if the 4 best teams is the standard as the committee proclaimed every week and as ESPN marketed heavily for months, would have chosen Ohio State over Georgia despite the two losses as the 4th best team.

Ohio State went into Iowa after beating a very good Penn State team in a battle. People forget that Penn State barely escaped Iowa City with a win earlier in the season. Iowa was playing really well early this season, and they play really well against top ranked teams at home. Last season they beat a really good Michigan team. Being the week after the hard fought game with Penn State, Ohio State lost at Iowa which is a difficult place to play, and Penn State lost to Michigan State. Both teams suffered the week after playing each other. Maybe they should have scheduled a cupcake in there someplace and scheduled one less conference game (8 instead of 9) to soften the blows taken during the B1G grind? That's what the SEC teams do with only 8 conference games on the schedule and many of them scheduling that extra OOC game against a cupcake in November. So, while I can see why the committee selected the way it did, in my opinion the 4 best teams, if that is truly the standard, are: Clemson, Bama, Oklahoma, and Ohio State.

Auburn beat a very banged up Bama team a week ago. Two weeks ago Bama was so banged up that Bama barely beat Mississippi State. This was just after MS barely beat a really bad UMass team at home the previous week. Bama healthy is a much better team than Auburn this year in my opinion. Also, Auburn lost to LSU the week after LSU lost to Troy. Basically, the SEC was a mess this season. Bama was the best team in the SEC. The committee rated Georgia too highly early on based on a one point win in South Bend against Notre Dame. No way the win in South Bend meant that Georgia was number one ahead of Bama, but the committee rated them that way anyway, and then the committee justified that rating by propping up ND and rating them too highly after a loss at home saying it was ND's strength of schedule and the fact that ND lost to Georgia who is now number one. The committee linked those two teams justifying each team's ranking by referring to the other and rated both too highly, which came to light very soon. That showed me right there that the committee really liked Georgia even though the SEC East was obviously having a down year. Then a couple of weeks later both Georgia and ND were blown out during the same weekend. After those blow out losses both should have fallen further than they did as they were linked and with each one having been used to justify the other's ranking. Then Notre Dame lost to Stanford and struggled to win other games. The committee whiffed on ND, and really surprised most people when they rated Georgia ahead of Bama in the process.

With all being said and done, Georgia is a good team, but I think Ohio State is a more complete and better team. I see why the committee selected Georgia, but Georgia is not one of the 4 best teams.

You keep saying a banged up Bama team??? They were down some LBs. Big deal, they are loaded. Wasn't skill position guys or Oline. Every team takes hits as the year goes on. Auburn beats Bama 3/4 times. They were just better. Iowa isnt that good, and OSU not only didnt compete that day, they mailed it in. This isnt hoops.

 

[Fjoinkay]

You keep saying a banged up Bama team??? They were down some LBs. Big deal, they are loaded. Wasn't skill position guys or Oline. Every team takes hits as the year goes on. Auburn beats Bama 3/4 times. They were just better. Iowa isnt that good, and OSU not only didnt compete that day, they mailed it in. This isnt hoops.

The committee used injuries to minimize the impact of Clemson's loss to the Cuse. That is why I think injuries are relevant re: Bama. I'm following the committee's precedent although I think the committee was a little sloppy early in the process. If you think Georgia is better than Ohio State then good for you. I respectfully disagree for the reasons I laid out in this thread.

 

[rrlbees]

You keep saying a banged up Bama team??? They were down some LBs. Big deal, they are loaded. Wasn't skill position guys or Oline. Every team takes hits as the year goes on. Auburn beats Bama 3/4 times. They were just better. Iowa isnt that good, and OSU not only didnt compete that day, they mailed it in. This isnt hoops.

they were down at lest 7 starters. but yes, they are loaded.

 

[Ish88888]

The committee used injuries to minimize the impact of Clemson's loss to the Cuse. That is why I think injuries are relevant re: Bama. I'm following the committee's precedent although I think the committee was a little sloppy early in the process. If you think Georgia is better than Ohio State then good for you. I respectfully disagree for the reasons I laid out in this thread.

Disagree, what proof do you have of that? Clemson got beat that day. We ran the ball down their throat in the 4th quarter to preserve the win. You make alot of assumptions. After that loss Clemson rebounded and got better and better week by week.

 

[Fjoinkay]

Disagree, what proof do you have of that? Clemson got beat that day. We ran the ball down their throat in the 4th quarter to preserve the win. You make alot of assumptions. After that loss Clemson rebounded and got better and better week by week.

The committee said that Clemson lost that game due to injuries as a justification for not dropping Clemson any further in the rankings than they did. I've heard analysts on ESPN say that the committee treated Clemson's loss to the Cuse as a .5 loss rather than a whole loss due to Kelly Bryant's ankle and the concussion he suffered in that game. He was knocked out.

I think the committee's stance after the Cuse beat Clemson was shaky at best. However, if the committee is going to consider injuries for Clemson after the Cuse win, then I think they should consider injuries for Bama and others in order to show consistency. The committee opened that door.

 

[Ish88888]

The committee said that Clemson lost that game due to injuries as a justification for not dropping Clemson any further in the rankings than they did. I've heard analysts on ESPN say that the committee treated Clemson's loss to the Cuse as a .5 loss rather than a whole loss due to Kelly Bryant's ankle and the concussion he suffered in that game. He was knocked out.

I think the committee's stance after the Cuse beat Clemson was shaky at best. However, if the committee is going to consider injuries for Clemson after the Cuse win, then I think they should consider injuries for Bama and others in order to show consistency. The committee opened that door.

Who cares how the committee broke down the loss to us. Clemson came back strong after that and buried every team. Thats why they are in the playoff. You have this obsession with injuries.

 

[Fjoinkay]

Who cares how the committee broke down the loss to us. Clemson came back strong after that and buried every team. Thats why they are in the playoff. You have this obsession with injuries.

I'm just applying the committee's standard to Bama and saying a healthy Bama is the best team in the SEC. Bama is a better team than Georgia in my opinion. I think Ohio State is just about even with Bama and better than Georgia. I think the committee should have chosen Bama and Ohio State as the 3rd and 4th best teams because they are and because the committee's own standards that they used earlier this season opened the door for them to make that move. They did not and despite their claim that the 4 very best teams were chosen they actually left out the 4th best team and included Georgia which is the 5th or 6th best team.

 

[nzm136]

Ohio State played Oklahoma OOC and lost by 15 points. It was a 3 point game in the 4th quarter. Ohio State plays 9 conference games to Georgia's 8 conference games in a much more difficult conference division- the B1G East is much better than the SEC East right now. Ohio State is more talented and is a more complete team when you look at offense and defense. The loss to Iowa hurt them, and that is why the committee chose Alabama over Ohio State. I would have chosen Bama over Ohio State although it was a close call. I also, if the 4 best teams is the standard as the committee proclaimed every week and as ESPN marketed heavily for months, would have chosen Ohio State over Georgia despite the two losses as the 4th best team.

Ohio State went into Iowa after beating a very good Penn State team in a battle. People forget that Penn State barely escaped Iowa City with a win earlier in the season. Iowa was playing really well early this season, and they play really well against top ranked teams at home. Last season they beat a really good Michigan team. Being the week after the hard fought game with Penn State, Ohio State lost at Iowa which is a difficult place to play, and Penn State lost to Michigan State. Both teams suffered the week after playing each other. Maybe they should have scheduled a cupcake in there someplace and scheduled one less conference game (8 instead of 9) to soften the blows taken during the B1G grind? That's what the SEC teams do with only 8 conference games on the schedule and many of them scheduling that extra OOC game against a cupcake in November. So, while I can see why the committee selected the way it did, in my opinion the 4 best teams, if that is truly the standard, are: Clemson, Bama, Oklahoma, and Ohio State.

Auburn beat a very banged up Bama team a week ago. Two weeks ago Bama was so banged up that Bama barely beat Mississippi State. This was just after MS barely beat a really bad UMass team at home the previous week. Bama healthy is a much better team than Auburn this year in my opinion. Also, Auburn lost to LSU the week after LSU lost to Troy. Basically, the SEC was a mess this season. Bama was the best team in the SEC. The committee rated Georgia too highly early on based on a one point win in South Bend against Notre Dame. No way the win in South Bend meant that Georgia was number one ahead of Bama, but the committee rated them that way anyway, and then the committee justified that rating by propping up ND and rating them too highly after a loss at home saying it was ND's strength of schedule and the fact that ND lost to Georgia who is now number one. The committee linked those two teams justifying each team's ranking by referring to the other and rated both too highly, which came to light very soon. That showed me right there that the committee really liked Georgia even though the SEC East was obviously having a down year. Then a couple of weeks later both Georgia and ND were blown out during the same weekend. After those blow out losses both should have fallen further than they did as they were linked and with each one having been used to justify the other's ranking. Then Notre Dame lost to Stanford and struggled to win other games. The committee whiffed on ND, and really surprised most people when they rated Georgia ahead of Bama in the process.

With all being said and done, Georgia is a good team, but I think Ohio State is a more complete and better team. I see why the committee selected Georgia, but Georgia is not one of the 4 best teams.

Georgia's 8 conference game schedule is irrelevant as they play Georgia Tech every year as a de facto 9th game, and they played Notre Dame for a 10th Power-level game. That's the number of power games that OSU played.

Only Georgia has fewer losses and wins gainst better high-level teams (Auburn and Notre Dame vs. Wisconsin and PSU).

And for every Kentucky, Vanderbilt, and Tennessee on Georgia's schedule, there's a Rutgers, Illinois, and Maryland on Ohio State's.

 

[Briancuse]

Um, ask the committee. The committee used that standard. I'm not a fan of it, but if they used it with Clemson then I think it makes sense for them to use it with Bama. And I think a healthy Bama is better than Georgia, and I think Ohio State is right there with a healthy Bama. So the top 4 teams in my opinion are: Clemson, Bama, Oklahoma and Ohio State. The committee says they chose the very best 4 teams, and I disagree because I think Ohio State is the 4th best team and Georgia is the 5th or 6th best team.

Why is Osu better than Uga?

 

[Fjoinkay]

Why is Osu better than Uga?

I laid out my reasoning earlier in this thread in a few different posts. It's late now, but I'll give it a quick go anyway. I think Georgia is a really good team. I just think Ohio State is better. The SEC East is very weak this season. SEC teams play 8 conference games while B1G teams play 9 conference games. The B1G East is much better than the SEC East this year.

The committee overvalued Georgia's one point win in South Bend over Notre Dame. At that time the committee linked Georgia and Notre Dame. The committee made Georgia #1 then ahead of Bama which was strange. Neither the Coaches poll nor the AP did that. Also, at the same time the committee ranked Notre very high even though ND had one loss at home to Georgia. The committee said that ND was ranked so high because they lost to #1 Georgia and the committee also said that ND's SOS was high. The problem was that SOS algorithms are flawed. It was too early to apply SOS as a rationale to place a one loss ND, whose loss was at home, so high in the rankings. The committee also said that they ranked Georgia ahead of Bama as the #1 team because Georgia beat ND by one point in South Bend. The committee was using one team to justify the other and vice versa for rankings for each team that were a little too high for each team. Bama was the best team in the country and ND should not have been ranked as high as the committee ranked them which soon became clear.

A couple of weeks later or so both Georgia and ND were blown out. ND also lost to Stanford, and really they struggled to win a couple of games along the way. So, I think Georgia while a very good team should never have been ahead of Bama earlier in the season. And when Georgia and ND were both blown out the same weekend they both should have dropped further in the committee's poll than the committee moved them because the committee's own rationale had been that one justified the other, but suddenly both had been blown out.

However, like I said I think Georgia is a legit #5 or #6 team in the country, but they played in a weak division this year. Ohio State is a more complete team that played in the most competitive conference division this year and also in a conference where the teams play 9 conference games instead of the 8 games that the SEC teams play. Many SEC teams also use that extra OOC game to schedule a cupcake at home in November to rest up for big rivalry games.

So, if the committee is going to say that the 4 very best teams were chosen for the CFP then I disagree. The 4 best teams are Clemson, Bama, Oklahoma and Ohio State in my opinion. A healthy Bama was always better than Georgia. The committee used injuries after Clemson lost in the Dome, Bryant Kelly played in the Dome with an injured ankle and then he was knocked out during that game, to justify not dropping Clemson further in the rankings than it did drop them. I'm not a fan of using injuries like that, but the committee did. So if it used injuries for Clemson then I think it can look at Bama's injuries and say Bama is a better team than Georgia. If not for Bama's injuries they would not have lost to Auburn. I think a healthy Bama is better than Georgia, and I think Ohio State is right there with a healthy Bama and should be the #4 team with Bama being the #3 team. I'd put Georgia at #5 or #6.

 

[kcsu]

Bama. Georgia's incredibly tough, and I think they'd beat bama were they to play today.

If Bama is healthy its one heck of a game.

 

[bcubs9497]

If Bama is healthy its one heck of a game.

Oh, yeah. Absolutely.

 

[Ozcuse]

I laid out my reasoning earlier in this thread in a few different posts. It's late now, but I'll give it a quick go anyway. I think Georgia is a really good team. I just think Ohio State is better. The SEC East is very weak this season. SEC teams play 8 conference games while B1G teams play 9 conference games. The B1G East is much better than the SEC East this year.

The committee overvalued Georgia's one point win in South Bend over Notre Dame. At that time the committee linked Georgia and Notre Dame. The committee made Georgia #1 then ahead of Bama which was strange. Neither the Coaches poll nor the AP did that. Also, at the same time the committee ranked Notre very high even though ND had one loss at home to Georgia. The committee said that ND was ranked so high because they lost to #1 Georgia and the committee also said that ND's SOS was high. The problem was that SOS algorithms are flawed. It was too early to apply SOS as a rationale to place a one loss ND, whose loss was at home, so high in the rankings. The committee also said that they ranked Georgia ahead of Bama as the #1 team because Georgia beat ND by one point in South Bend. The committee was using one team to justify the other and vice versa for rankings for each team that were a little too high for each team. Bama was the best team in the country and ND should not have been ranked as high as the committee ranked them which soon became clear.

A couple of weeks later or so both Georgia and ND were blown out. ND also lost to Stanford, and really they struggled to win a couple of games along the way. So, I think Georgia while a very good team should never have been ahead of Bama earlier in the season. And when Georgia and ND were both blown out the same weekend they both should have dropped further in the committee's poll than the committee moved them because the committee's own rationale had been that one justified the other, but suddenly both had been blown out.

However, like I said I think Georgia is a legit #5 or #6 team in the country, but they played in a weak division this year. Ohio State is a more complete team that played in the most competitive conference division this year and also in a conference where the teams play 9 conference games instead of the 8 games that the SEC teams play. Many SEC teams also use that extra OOC game to schedule a cupcake at home in November to rest up for big rivalry games.

So, if the committee is going to say that the 4 very best teams were chosen for the CFP then I disagree. The 4 best teams are Clemson, Bama, Oklahoma and Ohio State in my opinion. A healthy Bama was always better than Georgia. The committee used injuries after Clemson lost in the Dome, Bryant Kelly played in the Dome with an injured ankle and then he was knocked out during that game, to justify not dropping Clemson further in the rankings than it did drop them. I'm not a fan of using injuries like that, but the committee did. So if it used injuries for Clemson then I think it can look at Bama's injuries and say Bama is a better team than Georgia. If not for Bama's injuries they would not have lost to Auburn. I think a healthy Bama is better than Georgia, and I think Ohio State is right there with a healthy Bama and should be the #4 team with Bama being the #3 team. I'd put Georgia at #5 or #6.

Really really good teams don’t lose by 30+ to Iowa. In fact, both of OSU’s losses were by double digits.

The committee doesn’t grade based on potential, they grade on actual results.

 

[orangecuse]

Georgia also beat Auburn twice, at Auburn during the regular season and then again in the SECCG.

Hoo says that? Auburn crushed Georgia 40-17 just 3 weeks ago...

 

[Hoo's That]

Hoo says that? Auburn crushed Georgia 40-17 just 3 weeks ago...

Oops! I guess I looked at the 2016 results?