Alabama and Ohio State

[DeGrozz]

How is Alabama so much better than UGA? Their results against lower-level SEC teams are very similar. UGA has better results against MS St, and the Auburn results favor UGA. Add to that they they beat a legit top-20 team on the road this year out of conference, and I don't see any argument except the "eye-test", which pretty much means that results don't matter.

 

[Alsacs]

YES
Ohio State is out.

 

[rrlbees]

They made the correct pick.

 

[OrangeXtreme]

Cheer up BigTen, you'll always have Rutgers.

 

[HOFCeluck]

Meh.

I was hoping to LOL at Alabama.

 

[DomeStranger]

So if I was Clemson, would I rather play Bama or Georgia? It seems most would pick Georgia. Should the number one slot get to pick if they want #3 or #4?

 

[Fjoinkay]

I think the 4 "very best" teams are: Clemson, Alabama, Oklahoma, and Ohio State The committee says they chose the 4 "very best teams," and I respectfully disagree. If conference championship isn't a deciding factor then I think Ohio State should go in instead of Georgia. However, I am not surprised that the committee selected the 4 teams that they selected. I just disagree especially when I take into consideration the committee's rationale across the past several weeks.

 

[bcubs9497]

So if I was Clemson, would I rather play Bama or Georgia? It seems most would pick Georgia. Should the number one slot get to pick if they want #3 or #4?

Bama. Georgia's incredibly tough, and I think they'd beat bama were they to play today.

 

[orangepassion]

Not sure what Ohio State has done that is impressive

I think the 4 "very best" teams are: Clemson, Alabama, Oklahoma, and Ohio State The committee says they chose the 4 "very best teams," and I respectfully disagree. If conference championship isn't a deciding factor then I think Ohio State should go in instead of Georgia. However, I am not surprised that the committee selected the 4 teams that they selected. I just disagree especially when I take into consideration the committee's rationale across the past several weeks.

 

[Fjoinkay]

Not sure what Ohio State has done that is impressive

Ohio State beat Wisconsin, Penn State, Michigan State, and Michigan while playing a 9-game conference schedule in the most competitive conference division across the P5 conferences while the SEC East was very disappointing and SEC teams only play 8 conference games. In their OOC games SEC East teams performed poorly in their non-cupcake games. So, Ohio State played against 10 P5 schools including Oklahoma, and they just beat a very good Wisconsin team. I think they are better than Georgia, and I think Alabama is better than Georgia. I also think Georgia is a very good football team. I think Georgia and Wisconsin would be a great matchup.

The B1G, Pac 12 and Big 12 need to seriously consider reducing their conference schedule to 8 games to mirror the SEC and also seriously consider playing against a cupcake in November before playing the rivalry game.

Georgia benefitted from beating Notre Dame at Notre Dame early in the season by 1 point. This committee responded to that game ranking Georgia number 1 over Alabama based on SOS and even ranked Notre Dame really high in the polls based on losing to Georgia at home by one point and having a strong SOS. The problem is that early in the season SOS is deeply flawed. Both Georgia and Notre Dame, and ND by a country mile, were ranked higher than they should have been at that point.

At the same time the committee was reluctant to rank Wisconsin even in the top 10 even though Wiscy was undefeated. If I recall correctly the committee had Notre Dame over Wisconsin even though Notre Dame had one loss to Georgia, and the committed made that decision based on a SOS algorithm that was misleading. Notre Dame ended up being blown out against Miami and lost to Stanford and they struggled in other games. Wisconsin was clearly better, so I think a very strong argument can be made that the committee dropped the ball early on and rated Georgia and Notre Dame too highly- the committed linked them and then they both lost in the same week. To me Georgia is very good, but I think Ohio State is a better team. Ohio State played against more really good teams and just beat a really good Wisconsin team. Georgia just beat Auburn who has 3 losses and is overrated because a week ago they beat a very dinged up Bama team. If Auburn had played a healthy Bama a week ago, I think Bama wins that game. I also think Bama is better than Georgia if you factor in injuries, which this committee did for Clemson after the Cuse beat Clemson, then Bama is better than Georgia.

Again, I'm not surprised that the committee chose the 4 teams it chose, but I think the best 4 teams, which is the committee's standard, are really Clemson, Bama, Oklahoma and Ohio State.

 

[Ish88888]

should be in, and Georgia should be out. If you truly want the best 4 teams that is how it needs to be.

Alabama is clearly the best team in the the SEC. Georgia is good, but a close look at the SEC East says it all. SEC teams play 8 conference games while the B1G (Pac12 and Big12 also) play 9 conference games. That means the SEC East teams play against 8 P5 schools plus any P5 schools that they schedule out of conference, while the B1G schools play against 9 P5 teams plus any P5 schools they play out of conference. If you look at the SEC East teams OOC record it looks really bad. Georgia is good, and to their credit they played Notre Dame OOC, but they should never have been ranked #1 earlier. The AP and the Coaches poll had it right. The committee linked Georgia and Notre Dame and jumped them in the rankings which was a mistake. Clemson rolled South Carolina in one of SC's OOC P5 games. SC did beat NC State at home by 7 points in the first game of the season. Louisville ran over Kentucky in UK's one OOC P5 game. Michigan destroyed Florida, and Florida State beat Florida's in UF's OOC games against P5 shcools. Purdue beat Mizzou in Mizzou's one P5 OOC game. Tennesee did beat Georgia Tech in it's one OOC game against a P5 school, but that just minimizes Georgia's win over GT. And Vandy beat Kansas State in Vandy's one OOC game against a P5 school, but more than anything that calls into question the strength of the Pac12.

Also, SEC teams play cupcakes in November instead of early in the season which helps them in the current system. The SOS algorithm or measurement is flawed and needs to be fixed. SOS should not be calculated until at least 8 games into the season. Algorithms are very useful, but they are also very biased because they are man made. Any algorithm involves a series of "this-not that" decisions and any algorithm also involves a series of "this-more than that" decisions. Each decision is man made and subjective. They are all editorial decisions that are biased. SOS the way it is calculated now can be heavily biased by pre-season rankings made of all FBS schools. That should not be the case. SOS needs to be out of the picture entirely and not even calculated until at least the 8th game of the season.

The best 4 teams are Clemson, Alabama, Oklahoma, and Ohio State.

Not sure how you can make an argument for OSU. 2 losses, blown out in both. UGA is good and they validated yesterday dominating the team that dominated Bama the week before. Auburn actually has a better argument than OSU. Auburn played a way better OOC and is more talented than OSU. They played a road game in the SEC championship game yesterday.

 

[tipphill]

alabama should not be in---scheduel was weak

 

[bpo57]

Putting too much weight on conference championships seems stupid to me considering not everyone plays the same schedule.

100% correct.

 

[bpo57]

I think the 4 "very best" teams are: Clemson, Alabama, Oklahoma, and Ohio State The committee says they chose the 4 "very best teams," and I respectfully disagree. If conference championship isn't a deciding factor then I think Ohio State should go in instead of Georgia. However, I am not surprised that the committee selected the 4 teams that they selected. I just disagree especially when I take into consideration the committee's rationale across the past several weeks.

I think you're short selling UGA. They're a good squad.

 

[Fjoinkay]

Not sure how you can make an argument for OSU. 2 losses, blown out in both. UGA is good and they validated yesterday dominating the team that dominated Bama the week before. Auburn actually has a better argument than OSU. Auburn played a way better OOC and is more talented than OSU. They played a road game in the SEC championship game yesterday.

Auburn beat a very banged up Bama team a week ago. A healthy Bama would have beaten Auburn in my opinion. Auburn also lost to LSU the week after LSU lost to Troy. Their loss to Clemson is an impressive loss I guess, but they only play 8 conference games. OOC Auburn also played Mercer, Georgia State and Louisana Monroe. They played Louisana Monroe in November so they could tune up before playing a very banged up Bama.

Again, the B1G, Big 12 and Pac 12 need to move to an 8 game conference schedule and also play a cupcake in November. If the SEC can do it and prosper and not change to a 9 game conference schedule, then the Bigs need to move to an 8 game conference schedule to level the playing field.

 

[Fjoinkay]

I think you're short selling UGA. They're a good squad.

They are good. I think they may even beat Oklahoma because defense trumps offense. I just think Ohio State is better than Georgia. I think Georgia is comparable to Wisconsin.

 

[bpo57]

Auburn beat a very banged up Bama team a week ago. A healthy Bama would have beaten Auburn in my opinion. Auburn also lost to LSU the week after LSU lost to Troy. Their loss to Clemson is an impressive loss I guess, but they only play 8 conference games. OOC Auburn also played Mercer, Georgia State and Louisana Monroe. They played Louisana Monroe in November so they could tune up before playing Bama.

They lost to Clemson 14-6 but it was at Death Valley and Kerryon Johnson did not play in that game.

 

[bpo57]

They are good. I think they may even beat Oklahoma because defense trumps offense. I just think Ohio State is better than Georgia. I think Georgia is comparable to Wisconsin.

UGA much faster on both sides of the ball and while Fromm is a frosh I'd take him over Hornibrook in a second.

 

[Fjoinkay]

They lost to Clemson 14-6 but it was at Death Valley and Kerryon Johnson did not play in that game.

He played against a very banged up Bama.

 

[Fjoinkay]

UGA much faster on both sides of the ball and while Fromm is a frosh I'd take him over Hornibrook in a second.

Georgia may have a bit quicker, and I agree that Hornibrook is limited. I just think the Wiscy defense does very well against the Georgia offense. It would be a great matchup I think.

 

[Ish88888]

UGA much faster on both sides of the ball and while Fromm is a frosh I'd take him over Hornibrook in a second.

Good point, hornybrook cant shine fromms shoes.

 

[tipphill]

feed everything into a computer and let the computer pick em

 

[DoctorBombay]

Could someone on committee leaked that it’s Bama? Betting markets are going crazy in last 15 minutes. Bama now -320 ish to make it.

Good call.

 

[Ish88888]

I think the 4 "very best" teams are: Clemson, Alabama, Oklahoma, and Ohio State The committee says they chose the 4 "very best teams," and I respectfully disagree. If conference championship isn't a deciding factor then I think Ohio State should go in instead of Georgia. However, I am not surprised that the committee selected the 4 teams that they selected. I just disagree especially when I take into consideration the committee's rationale across the past several weeks.

So , you think OSU over UGA? UGA, the SEC champ? OSU was blown out twice. CFB is the best regular season bc every game matters from September on. Disregard OSU's 2 blowout wins and that negates the importance of the reg. Season. OSU AND Urban approach the regular season like calipari does the UK schedule. Just get better and improve and learn as the season goes on and peak at the end. Works in hoops, not fb.

 

[Hoo's That]

Georgia is one of the best 4 teams.
They won at Notre Dame
They won at Georgia Tech.
Humiliated Tennessee and Florida.
Won there conference title convincingly over the team they lost to on the road.

Clemson, Oklahoma, Georgia are locks.
It’s Alabama for me 4th.

Georgia also beat Auburn twice, at Auburn during the regular season and then again in the SECCG.