Albany Plan

[OrangeinBoston]

1. Give Shrader the first half & Devito the 2nd. Both with starters at all positions.
2. Script 50% of the passing plays down the middle of the field.
3. Script at least 6 passing plays to the TE.
4. If D. Davis is not ready, replace Tisdale with Ellis.
5. Script plays for promising freshman WRs.

Yes, I've been eating shrooms.

 

[OburgOrange]

1. Give Shrader the first half & Devito the 2nd. Both with starters at all positions.
2. Script 50% of the passing plays down the middle of the field.
3. Script at least 6 passing plays to the TE.
4. If D. Davis is not ready, replace Tisdale with Ennis.

Yes, I've been eating shrooms.

Makes too much sense

 

[All4SU]

I have no idea how good or how bad Albany is. Logic tells me SU should beat them by 40 points. I’d like to see SU approach this game as if they have already spotted Albany 28 points and game plan like they are playing from behind.

 

[690West]

1. Give Shrader the first half & Devito the 2nd. Both with starters at all positions.

As someone who is clinging on to the “Baber’s is still our guy train” with a single index finger, I may let go if this isn’t PRECISELY how Saturday goes.

 

[JRHEETER]

There’s zero chance that Dino starts Shrader

it’s going to be Devito starting and probably playing the whole game

 

[JRHEETER]

There’s zero chance that Dino starts Shrader

it’s going to be Devito starting and probably playing the whole game

Well, maybe like 5% chance

 

[Chip]

Tisdale might not be the biggest problem. I finally watched again. Vettorello really struggles when the DL stunts. He just doesn't react quick enough.

Tisdale did get away with a pretty blatant hold on the Tucker TD run. Head ref had a good view of it from the replay they showed on the broadcast. I think he gave us one back on that play. He wasn't the one who called the unsportsmanlike, it was a side judge I believe.

From limited sideline shots, the body language of the QB not playing didn't look great. Just hope Dino knows what he's doing, and hate that I don't think he does.

 

[TheCusian]

I don’t care who starts. I do like giving Shrader a whole half. Needs to get into a flow.

I think throwing in certain parts of the field regardless of what the defense does is a plan hatched on a message board.

 

[HRE Otto IV]

I am giving Tommy and Tucker about a dozen plays. So either one long drive and done or two drives and done. Tommy isn't gaining anything by playing. We need to save Tucker's legs for real games.

I am then playing Shrader and the rest of the starting O through the first drive of the 2nd half. You need to see what Shrader can do and you need to put the game away.

The 2nd drive of the half I am playing Morgan and the 2nd string O through the 1st drive of the 4th Q. That way you get the young guys some PT.

The next two drives I am playing whomever is better between Tex and Lamson along with the 3rd stringers.

If there are any other drives, they go to the last QB.

 

[All4SU]

I am giving Tommy and Tucker about a dozen plays. So either one long drive and done or two drives and done. Tommy isn't gaining anything by playing. We need to save Tucker's legs for real games.

I am then playing Shrader and the rest of the starting O through the first drive of the 2nd half. You need to see what Shrader can do and you need to put the game away.

The 2nd drive of the half I am playing Morgan and the 2nd string O through the 1st drive of the 4th Q. That way you get the young guys some PT.

The next two drives I am playing whomever is better between Tex and Lamson along with the 3rd stringers.

If there are any other drives, they go to the last QB.

What if Tex is better than Morgan?

 

[rhcuse]

Idk, what’s better...a Captain or a Marshall?

 

[HRE Otto IV]

What if Tex is better than Morgan?

Then play him 3rd. Based on who Dino played last year I wouldn't think that is the case.

 

[AAM62]

Here's what I think is going to happen. I think both QBs have the coaches over a barrel due to "commitments" to keep them around. Hopefully the staff nuts up and just picks one to roll with because the QB switcharoo broke rhythm for both QBs.

Hate to break it to you guys but if the coaches do go this route, they will indeed run with Devito. This board has been an absolute cesspool this week and it will be worse once the Devito decision is made.

 

[TexanMark]

What if Tex is better than Morgan?

First World problems on the Scout Team. I'd love it if both got some run( Lamson included)

 

[Nahson]

Tisdale might not be the biggest problem. I finally watched again. Vettorello really struggles when the DL stunts. He just doesn't react quick enough.

Tisdale did get away with a pretty blatant hold on the Tucker TD run. Head ref had a good view of it from the replay they showed on the broadcast. I think he gave us one back on that play. He wasn't the one who called the unsportsmanlike, it was a side judge I believe.

From limited sideline shots, the body language of the QB not playing didn't look great. Just hope Dino knows what he's doing, and hate that I don't think he does.

Vet has always struggled, he’s not a true center. Ilaoa is a more natural fit. I’m convinced Vet plays because of experience and experience alone.

 

[Nahson]

I am giving Tommy and Tucker about a dozen plays. So either one long drive and done or two drives and done. Tommy isn't gaining anything by playing. We need to save Tucker's legs for real games.

I am then playing Shrader and the rest of the starting O through the first drive of the 2nd half. You need to see what Shrader can do and you need to put the game away.

The 2nd drive of the half I am playing Morgan and the 2nd string O through the 1st drive of the 4th Q. That way you get the young guys some PT.

The next two drives I am playing whomever is better between Tex and Lamson along with the 3rd stringers.

If there are any other drives, they go to the last QB.

Shrader needs a full game. The people who’ve posted negative remarks about Garrett, based on his limited time against Rutgers are absolutely ridiculous. Dungey and Shrader are very similar, in that they are athletic QBs that improvise. Shrader pushing that fumble out of bounds reminded me of a young Dungey decision making. Dungey, like Shrader, wouldn’t have made much with a similar opportunity because both QBs are going to make mistakes and need more than a limited sample size to access. I’m 100% sure that if Dungey was in the same situation as Shrader (transfer and all) he would look exactly the same as Shrader does right now.

I think we forget sometimes, some of the dumb things Eric did when he was here, throughout the years… at one point we wanted to bench him for Tommy. But Eric wasn’t great in short spurts, Eric was great because he found ways to compete and put the team on his back. Shrader needs a whole game, Albany would be a perfect opportunity to get him comfortable.

I remember a quote from Eric once that went something a long the lines of “7 on 7 doesn’t equate to live games” and he’s exactly right. That’s why we are where we are. This isn’t 7 on 7, this is real football and as much as we love our guys, we don’t have the same talent level as our peers in a lot of areas… that’s why we need a guy who can create plays and improvise.

If I’m wrong, fine. But it can’t get worse than this and I rather lose with a 6’4 230 QB kicking safety’s in the head.

 

[All4SU]

Then play him 3rd. Based on who Dino played last year I wouldn't think that is the case.

I don’t think last year means anything. Maybe Tex wasn’t ready, or wasn’t healthy. I mean we just don’t know much of anything.

 

[All4SU]

Shrader needs a full game.

Why?

I don’t mean to be argumentative about this, and this is not a blind defense of TD. But I know of virtually no instances of college FB (or NFL, or even college basketball) where a backup gets a real full game, or a start, just to prove themselves. That’s what practices and scrimmages are for.
Now we can debate whether or not Schrader should be the backup. But if he is, there is no way any reasonable coach would just give that game to the back just because.

 

[storange]

Shrader needs a full game. The people who’ve posted negative remarks about Garrett, based on his limited time against Rutgers are absolutely ridiculous. Dungey and Shrader are very similar, in that they are athletic QBs that improvise. Shrader pushing that fumble out of bounds reminded me of a young Dungey decision making. Dungey, like Shrader, wouldn’t have made much with a similar opportunity because both QBs are going to make mistakes and need more than a limited sample size to access. I’m 100% sure that if Dungey was in the same situation as Shrader (transfer and all) he would look exactly the same as Shrader does right now.

I think we forget sometimes, some of the dumb things Eric did when he was here, throughout the years… at one point we wanted to bench him for Tommy. But Eric wasn’t great in short spurts, Eric was great because he found ways to compete and put the team on his back. Shrader needs a whole game, Albany would be a perfect opportunity to get him comfortable.

I remember a quote from Eric once that went something a long the lines of “7 on 7 doesn’t equate to live games” and he’s exactly right. That’s why we are where we are. This isn’t 7 on 7, this is real football and as much as we love our guys, we don’t have the same talent level as our peers in a lot of areas… that’s why we need a guy who can create plays and improvise.

If I’m wrong, fine. But it can’t get worse than this and I rather lose with a 6’4 230 QB kicking safety’s in the head.

Agree, Albany lost to FCS power ND St. and a 2 pt game to RI. Ohio lost to Duquesne so the level of competition of the two might not be that big a difference. Give Garret the ball and let him go. See what the result is as compared to the Ohio game.

 

[Nahson]

Why?

I don’t mean to be argumentative about this, and this is not a blind defense of TD. But I know of virtually no instances of college FB (or NFL, or even college basketball) where a backup gets a real full game, or a start, just to prove themselves. That’s what practices and scrimmages are for.
Now we can debate whether or not Schrader should be the backup. But if he is, there is no way any reasonable coach would just give that game to the back just because.

Read above post.

 

[TheCusian]

Shrader needs a full game. The people who’ve posted negative remarks about Garrett, based on his limited time against Rutgers are absolutely ridiculous. Dungey and Shrader are very similar, in that they are athletic QBs that improvise. Shrader pushing that fumble out of bounds reminded me of a young Dungey decision making. Dungey, like Shrader, wouldn’t have made much with a similar opportunity because both QBs are going to make mistakes and need more than a limited sample size to access. I’m 100% sure that if Dungey was in the same situation as Shrader (transfer and all) he would look exactly the same as Shrader does right now.

I think we forget sometimes, some of the dumb things Eric did when he was here, throughout the years… at one point we wanted to bench him for Tommy. But Eric wasn’t great in short spurts, Eric was great because he found ways to compete and put the team on his back. Shrader needs a whole game, Albany would be a perfect opportunity to get him comfortable.

I remember a quote from Eric once that went something a long the lines of “7 on 7 doesn’t equate to live games” and he’s exactly right. That’s why we are where we are. This isn’t 7 on 7, this is real football and as much as we love our guys, we don’t have the same talent level as our peers in a lot of areas… that’s why we need a guy who can create plays and improvise.

If I’m wrong, fine. But it can’t get worse than this and I rather lose with a 6’4 230 QB kicking safety’s in the head.

Give me guys who are good at 7v7 with Tommy’s arm talent every year on into eternity

It’s the other stuff that seems to be lacking; and if we can win 6 playing GS, let’s go. I just don’t think that’s altogether clear either

 

[Dick_in_MI]

It wouldn’t surprise me to see the same game plan that we saw against Ohio. Run the ball, overpower them, play it safe. Maybe if we jump out to a big lead we might try a few new wrinkles but I don’t expect Dino to do anything new. Regardless of who is the QB I expect them to do a lot of handling off and then getting out of the way.

 

[Nahson]

Read above post.

Also, that’s literally what Dino said he was going to do when he said “we will see both”. My suggestion, is instead of playing a series here and a series there, just give him the whole damn game. We’ve seen how it killed momentum against Rutgers, why the hell would we continue to play patty cake. Just give him a game and make a decision.

 

[Nahson]

Also, that’s literally what Dino said he was going to do when he said “we will see both”. My suggestion, is instead of playing a series here and a series there, just give him the whole damn game. We’ve seen how it killed momentum against Rutgers, why the hell would we continue to play patty cake. Just give him a game and make a decision.

Dino is like me at a new restaurant. I always say I’ll try new things and I want to try new things but I always end up ordering the cheese burger because I know I won’t hate it.

 

[All4SU]

Read above post.

I did. I don’t see any supporting evidence except for the idea that you think Shrader is Dungey2.0. Don’t get me wrong, I loved what Dungey brought to the position, and I am really hopeful Shrader can be the same kind of leader/warrior. On top of that, I recognize TD has not been effective in many ways. All I’m saying is that if the coaches view TD as slightly ahead of Shrader at this point, there is no way they sit TD and play Shrader for a whole game just to see if he can change their opinion.