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ALL BS aside, can't imagine being stuck in the Big east

jekelish said:
The people left in the conference can call Syracuse traitorous if they want, but you know they'd swap places with us in a heartbeat.
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Reminds me of how I felt about Fredo...I mean BC, back on '03. 'You're my brother, Fredo, you don't have to apologize to me.'
 
IthacaBarrel said:
right now, what a complete **** show. WOW. Uconn and Rutgers can put as much lipstick on a pig as they want, but they are ****** right now. Would really really suck, it's like a black cloud around everything. We really avoided a disasterous blow on this. Thank god
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at the end of the day, we really had nothing to worry about. if you look at who is where, its a clear distinction between the haves and have nots.

confusa level programs are in the confusa and bigleast.

power level programs are in the power 5 confs.

no matter how anybody tried to dress it up...rut, storz, cincy, lville, temple, memphis, the directionals, the crap left over in texas, etc....all belong together.

which is right where they are now.

1 notch below the big boys.

Oh Lord
 
Providence journal is reporting that if the money is not there then the hoop onlies will split off. Imagine that.

Several years ago it was the footballs who would/should split now it's the hoop schools. That is just funny.
 
PhatOrange said:
Providence journal is reporting that if the money is not there then the hoop onlies will split off. Imagine that.

Several years ago it was the footballs who would/should split now it's the hoop schools. That is just funny.
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If that happens, what does UConn do? Stay in the Big East with the catholics for all sports except football, and play football in the MAC? I think the MAC let Temple do that with the Atlantic 10. Might be the Huskies best option. At least they would still play in the BET, which I assume would stay with the catholic schools in MSG.

No idea what Rutgers does. Maybe drop football and stay with the catholic schools?
 
xc84 said:
Rutgers has a shadow? Please, we did not leave the BE because of Rutgers.
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Believe what y0u want. I never said it was the only reason. But I have never heard anyone at Syracuse say they were upset that Rutgers and UConn weren't joining them in the ACC.
 
UCONN
Louisville
Temple
Cincinnati
Memphis
Rutgers
UCF
USF
SMU
Houston

Not a horrible basketball conference. Certainly not the Big East, however. And if the hoops schools initiated a split they'd lose the right to the Big East name wouldn't they?
 
sutomcat said:
If that happens, what does UConn do? Stay in the Big East with the catholics for all sports except football, and play football in the MAC? I think the MAC let Temple do that with the Atlantic 10. Might be the Huskies best option. At least they would still play in the BET, which I assume would stay with the catholic schools in MSG.

No idea what Rutgers does. Maybe drop football and stay with the catholic schools?
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That must be your tongue-in-cheek response, Tom. Rutgers isn't dropping football. They just about sold out the stadium for the Howard game. I think the best hope for UConn or Rutgers would be to get an invite to the Big 10. The ACC is saying now that it won't expand beyond 15, but that could change. In the meantime, Rutgers, UConn and others will band together to make the BE the best it can be. These are certainly interesting times.
 
cuseguy said:
Believe what y0u want. I never said it was the only reason. But I have never heard anyone at Syracuse say they were upset that Rutgers and UConn weren't joining them in the ACC.
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People at Syracuse are not upset that any of the big east teams aren't joining them though. We didn't leave the conference because of any one team, we left because it was best for our school. If Rutgers or UConn make it over too, so be it - it doesn't change that we put ourselves in a better position, which is the sole reason for the move.
 
MaxwellCuse said:
UCONN
Louisville
Temple
Cincinnati
Memphis
Rutgers
UCF
USF
SMU
Houston

Not a horrible basketball conference. Certainly not the Big East, however. And if the hoops schools initiated a split they'd lose the right to the Big East name wouldn't they?
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It's actually a better football conference than a basketball conference in some ways.
 
sutomcat said:
If that happens, what does UConn do? Stay in the Big East with the catholics for all sports except football, and play football in the MAC? I think the MAC let Temple do that with the Atlantic 10. Might be the Huskies best option. At least they would still play in the BET, which I assume would stay with the catholic schools in MSG.

No idea what Rutgers does. Maybe drop football and stay with the catholic schools?
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I think the BE devolves- the hoops-onlies filter out to the MAAC and Atlantic 10 or some amalgamation.

I think in football, the Big East names or schools still trump C-USA in terms of brand/value.

An East-coast MAC emerges with UConn, UMass, Rutgers, Temple, USF, ECU, Army, Navy, UCF, whomever.

The old Metro conference schools get the band back together with Louisville, Memphis, Cincy, Southern Miss, Tulane and instead of the original bass and keyboard players, they get some old pals from C-USA like Marshall and Tulsa.

Or, hell, maybe they just up and join C-USA. Who really cares. I say we take their whiskey and their women, push their (Rutgers and UConn) raft out to sea, and launch flaming arrows at it.
 
cuseguy said:
Believe what y0u want. I never said it was the only reason. But I have never heard anyone at Syracuse say they were upset that Rutgers and UConn weren't joining them in the ACC.
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We left because it was more money and more security. If Rutgers and UConn were coming along too, we still leave with them.

But yes, no one is shedding a tear about being in a better place than them. They had invested $ in their program while sat on the sidelines and watched ours fall apart. Luckily the brand is strong enough, and the school is attractive enough, for us to have been given a lifeline.
 
Scooch said:
UConn is like the family that was in line to see Mickey Mouse at Disney World, and just when they got to the front of the line, Mickey leaves.
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I was thinking more along the lines of Marty Moose at Wallyworld, wearing a BC sweater.
 
cuseguy said:
It's actually a better football conference than a basketball conference in some ways.
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Well, remember the NNBE will also have football-only members Boise State, SDSU, Navy and -- perhaps -- BYU. The football conference is viable for sure, although not at the level of the "Power 5". The basketball conference would also be OK without Georgetown, Nova , St. Johns and Marquette.
 
cuseguy said:
One of the reasons BC left the BE was to escape the shadow of UConn. One of the reasons SU left the BE was to escape the shadow of Rutgers. I have to believe this is working out just the way they planned it.
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Rutgers has a shadow? We were never in Rutgers' shadow. The Grob era happened.
 
cuseguy said:
That must be your tongue-in-cheek response, Tom. Rutgers isn't dropping football. They just about sold out the stadium for the Howard game. I think the best hope for UConn or Rutgers would be to get an invite to the Big 10. The ACC is saying now that it won't expand beyond 15, but that could change. In the meantime, Rutgers, UConn and others will band together to make the BE the best it can be. These are certainly interesting times.
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I don't know if Rutgers or UConn or any school in a split off conference of football schools orphaned by the basketball schools (as outlined above) can survive financially playing football at the highest level. The only way to make it work is to subsidize the program millions of dollars every year, or to drop funding down to the level of a MAC or CUSA school.

If the Big Ten wanted Rutgers or UConn, they would have taken them by now. They ran their numbers and found it would cost them money to take either program. Why would they decide to take them now? To be kind?

I am not gloating about this. A lot of good fans got screwed in this deal, and if things were only a little different, it could have been us on the outside looking in.
I feel for the people who root for these programs. It sticks. It really does.

I don't see any scenarios where UConn and Rutgers are going to be able to escape to higher ground. Splitting up the Big East, which looks like it is going to happen, just makes a bad situation worse for them. I hope they can work to keep the conference together. It was something special for a long time.
 
Our football program would not survived in the Big East as it exists now. It was life or death.

The question now becomes do the basketball only schools break from the all sports schools. I'm sure the decision will come down to money. Basketball has some leverage over football IMO.

A split and Jim Calhoun retirement would put UConn B-ball in a world of hurt.
 
Louisville will end up in either the B10 or the B12. Too much revenue potential there. Eventually ND will lose their indepence (because they will lose their NBC deal) and join the ACC fully. When that happens it will be UCONN or Rutgers. The one who loses out will be in major trouble.
 
One thing about UConn (football) fans v. Rutgers fans that makes UConn fans a little more likeable...they get that their program is in toddler stage and not really established. Rutgers fans think they are perennially in the hunt for a national championship but they've been in toddler to early teen stage for 140 years. Thy are the obnoxious teen telling everyone within earshot that they are really an adult. Really!
 
cuseguy said:
Believe what y0u want. I never said it was the only reason. But I have never heard anyone at Syracuse say they were upset that Rutgers and UConn weren't joining them in the ACC.
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Right. We are happy. Fans don't like Rutgers ...mostly because Rutgers continually schedules crap teams to pad their wins...and their obnoxious fans then have delusions of grandeur thinking that they have "made the big time" and that, as a result, the B10 will knock on their door any day and ask them out. But that has nothing to do with why SU went to the ACC.
 
MaxwellCuse said:
UCONN
Louisville
Temple
Cincinnati
Memphis
Rutgers
UCF
USF
SMU
Houston

Not a horrible basketball conference. Certainly not the Big East, however. And if the hoops schools initiated a split they'd lose the right to the Big East name wouldn't they?
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God, that is so terrible when you see all those names together.
 
N.Y. Orangeman said:
I feel really bad for UConnn...they didn't deserve this.
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You have to remember, they didn't really have a national program until we were under investigation in the early 90s (which seemed to go on forever). Calhoun took advantage of that opening and never looked back.

For us to have maximum success as a program - in football, but it helps us in basketball, too - Rutgers and UConn need to be left on the curb. UConn has been a great rival, and frankly has gotten the better of us. If we want what's best for SU, that means leaving UConn and Rutgers behind, in a "minor" league.
 
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