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All-time all athletic team for Syracuse each positions

Wow, the memories that this thread is pulling up from the depths of my mind is amazing. As athletic as all of these guys mentioned are/were...the one guy that pops into my head is Dave Johnson. He was built like a tank and he jumped out of the gym.

Dave was fun to watch. He's also one guy that I haven't heard a single word about since he left the NBA. Never heard about him attending any games or anything. A "Where are they now?" article on him would be interesting.
 
Dave was fun to watch. He's also one guy that I haven't heard a single word about since he left the NBA. Never heard about him attending any games or anything. A "Where are they now?" article on him would be interesting.
yeah, he should be celebrated with the greats of this program. I hope he is doing well. Here is a kid that came here from Louisiana, that is where we were as a program at that time. We were pulling kids from anywhere and everywhere because they wanted to be part of the Big East and play in the Dome.
 
Great posts by everyone. Great debate by all. I do not know who the best 5 should be, but I could not even get a second vote for Jim Brown.

See the following from http://http://www.orangehoops.org/JBrown

Jim Brown was the greatest all around athlete in Syracuse University's history, and arguably the greatest in American history. He earned 10 varsity letters at Syracuse in four different sports (basketball, football, lacrosse, and track). At 6'2", 212 lbs, with a 29" waist, Brown was bigger, faster and stronger than most every other athlete he would encounter at every level of sports.

A victim of racial attitudes of the times, Brown came to Syracuse in the fall of 1953 without a scholarship in hand and was the only black player on the freshman football team. In high school, Brown earned 13 letters including football (averaging 14.9 yards per carry), basketball (he averaged 38+ points per game), baseball and lacrosse.

He played basketball his sophomore and junior years at Syracuse, averaging 13.1 points per game. He was a ferocious rebounder, and the best athlete on the floor. He would scored 33 points against Sampson Air Force Base his sophomore season, in a game he did not even start. Brown would not return for his senior season however, because he was not permitted to be a starter. An unwritten rule at Syracuse prohibited the team starting three black athletes in basketball, and Syracuse had Vinnie Cohen and Manny Breland also on the team. Cohen believed Syracuse would have won the national title in basketball in 1957 if Brown had played with them; as it was, they lost in the elite eight.

And from Wikipedia:

Perhaps more impressive was his success as a multisport athlete. In addition to his football accomplishments, he excelled in basketball, track, and especially lacrosse. As a sophomore, he was the second-leading scorer for the basketball team (15 ppg), and earned a letter on the track team. In 1955, he finished in fifth place in the Nation Championship decathlon.[9] His junior year, he averaged 11.3 points in basketball, and was named a second-team All-American in lacrosse. His senior year, he was named a first-team All-American in lacrosse (43 goals in 10 games to rank second in scoring nationally). Brown was so dominant in the game, that lacrosse rules were changed requiring a lacrosse player to keep their stick in constant motion when carrying the ball (instead of holding it close to his body).[10][11] He is in the Lacrosse Hall of Fame.[12] The Carrier Dome has an 800 square-foot tapestry depicting Brown in football and lacrosse uniforms with the words "Greatest Player Ever".[13]


 
Jason Hart
Stevie Thompson
Dave Johnson
Hakim Warrick
Rony Seikaly

Had to leave someone off: Bruin, Harris, Wes.
 
I don’t care what anyone says, but Jeremy McNeil is my center.
 
I love Billy but I literally don't recall him ever having a breakaway layup/dunk at his time at SU. He always walked the ball up the court at the speed of a person walking through an art museum.
Billy was always pushing the ball up... If he got the board, he was out. He was a coast to coast regular.
 
T-Rob should be mentioned too...could never really harness it and was hobbled a lot but when healthy...not many stronger faster for a guy that size
 
Great posts by everyone. Great debate by all. I do not know who the best 5 should be, but I could not even get a second vote for Jim Brown.

See the following from http://http://www.orangehoops.org/JBrown

Jim Brown was the greatest all around athlete in Syracuse University's history, and arguably the greatest in American history. He earned 10 varsity letters at Syracuse in four different sports (basketball, football, lacrosse, and track). At 6'2", 212 lbs, with a 29" waist, Brown was bigger, faster and stronger than most every other athlete he would encounter at every level of sports.

A victim of racial attitudes of the times, Brown came to Syracuse in the fall of 1953 without a scholarship in hand and was the only black player on the freshman football team. In high school, Brown earned 13 letters including football (averaging 14.9 yards per carry), basketball (he averaged 38+ points per game), baseball and lacrosse.

He played basketball his sophomore and junior years at Syracuse, averaging 13.1 points per game. He was a ferocious rebounder, and the best athlete on the floor. He would scored 33 points against Sampson Air Force Base his sophomore season, in a game he did not even start. Brown would not return for his senior season however, because he was not permitted to be a starter. An unwritten rule at Syracuse prohibited the team starting three black athletes in basketball, and Syracuse had Vinnie Cohen and Manny Breland also on the team. Cohen believed Syracuse would have won the national title in basketball in 1957 if Brown had played with them; as it was, they lost in the elite eight.

And from Wikipedia:

Perhaps more impressive was his success as a multisport athlete. In addition to his football accomplishments, he excelled in basketball, track, and especially lacrosse. As a sophomore, he was the second-leading scorer for the basketball team (15 ppg), and earned a letter on the track team. In 1955, he finished in fifth place in the Nation Championship decathlon.[9] His junior year, he averaged 11.3 points in basketball, and was named a second-team All-American in lacrosse. His senior year, he was named a first-team All-American in lacrosse (43 goals in 10 games to rank second in scoring nationally). Brown was so dominant in the game, that lacrosse rules were changed requiring a lacrosse player to keep their stick in constant motion when carrying the ball (instead of holding it close to his body).[10][11] He is in the Lacrosse Hall of Fame.[12] The Carrier Dome has an 800 square-foot tapestry depicting Brown in football and lacrosse uniforms with the words "Greatest Player Ever".[13]


I think the speculation that Syracuse lost a good chance at being the NC in basketball Jim's senior season bares more discussion.

This unwritten rule that prevented Syracuse from starting three black players...where did it come from? From other reading, it sounds like it was a 'gentlemen's agreement' among college athletic departments back then.

When did the rule finally go away? Did it take the NC by Texas Western over Kentucky to finally make it happen? I was curious about this so I did a little research to try and figure out when SU first had 3 African Americans in the starting lineup for men's basketball.

It could be Fred Lewis' 1967=68 team. I think the starters then were Wayne Ward, Vaughn Harper, Ernie Austin, George Hicker and Richie Cornwall.

But Lewis' 1965-66 team has to be considered as well. Bing and Penceal was clearly starters. Vaughn Harper started half the games (probably the second half of the season).

That would also be the same season Texas Western won the NC over the Wildcats. So it doesn't look like it was Texas Southern that is responsible. Probably more of a gradual erosion of pre-justice that was happening through the country at that time.

 
Any team not having DC on it is out of the question. He could defend at least 2 positions. He could rebound bring the ball up the floor, shoot, pass other teams were afraid of him. The Georgetown and Syracuse series didn't become a rivalry until DC got here, we finally won and dominated them.
DC could play any of the 3 front court positions.
 
Zero love for Michael Gbinije and Elijah Hughes?
 
Yeah, Cooney was two foot/two hand open court dunking athletic. Which is nice, but the rest of the dudes on this list were dunking on guys 6 inches taller than them. Stevie was open court dunking, but also taking it baseline dunking on dudes. Dave Johnson was climbing on guys and hurting them with the dunk.
Wes Johnson was a bit like Cooney in that way, except I think he was a one foot jumper. He was electric in the open floor, but in the halfcourt his scoring was primarily off of his shooting. He didn't really take it to the lane and finish over guys.
 
TBF I've got an uncanny knack for remembering when non-dunkers dunked in a game. I think that was Billy's only one. McNamara had a fake dunk against Towson in Wilkes-Barre his senior year. Autry dunked against Seton Hall at the Dome his senior year. Scoop had one quasi-fake dunk against maybe William and Mary his junior year at the Dome. And Andy's came at Providence, also as a senior I think.
If you're 6'4" or over and a basketball player and you can't dunk...you better be REALLY good at everything else.
 
I guess you have to start by defining what you think athletic ability is.

I think of it in terms of raw speed, agility, jumping ability, hand to eye coordination, footwork.

PG

Flynn is the gold standard here. Really fast, could jump really well, could whip a pass down the court with little effort, super agile. Pearl was a good not great athlete IMHO. Not much of a jumper. Not super fast. Sherm was fast and could jump and probably is my second team guy. Though Eddie Moss should be considered as well. He was really fast, strong, agile and was a terrific leaper. Our best man defender at guard in the JB era.

SG

I didn't see Bing play at Syracuse. Too young. I did see him play in the NBA in the second half of his career and even then he was a freak athlete. Really fast, great leaper, agile and so smooth. I give him the nod over Stevie by a hair. Tony was a great leaper but not as agile or quick as the other guys.

SF

David Johnson was a fantastic athlete. Seemed to do something remarkable every game he played. Fast, strong, so coordinated, so great in the air.
Wes wasn't as strong but was maybe a hair faster and maybe a hair more agile. Jerami did everything well and was the best athlete on the court just about every time he played at SU but I can't give it to him. He was too reserved and perhaps didn't show everything he was capable of all the time when he was here. Paul was strong and was a very good leaper and had good speed but not like DJ and WJ. I give this to David by the smallest of margins.

PF

I have Billy Owens, Hakim Warrick, Carmelo Anthony and Derrick Coleman as my finalists here. I think those are the finalists. Pretty good group

Billy wasn't a freak athlete. He was a really good athlete who was also really smart. Hak had great leaping ability and body control and I think has the best catalog of blocks thrown down at Syracuse in history. Really good rebounder and shot blocker for a forward. But maybe not as well rounded as some of the others here. Melo had the best first step of any player I have seen play at Syracuse. Also exceptionally smart but not a crazy good leaper, not super fast. He beat you more with his mind than his body. Derrick was a very good leaper and had that quick jump to beat others for putbacks. Also was really good bringing the ball up (Owens and Melo were no slouches here either) and was a terrific passer for a forward. Best outlet passer I have ever seen at the college level (did not see Unseld at UL). Gotta go with Derrick here. Honorable mention to Leo Rautins, who did everything well and if he was 100% might have challenged Derrick.

C

Rosie was really agile, really quick, could jump really well and had a lot going on. Maybe a bit underappreciated because he played so long ago and did not play afterwards in the NBA. Rony was as fast as anyone who played center at Syracuse. Another really good leaper. BMK might have been even more agile but that was his only great strength and he didn't do much of anything else really well. Conrad was also very fast and could jump out of the gym. Yes he was wild and out of control a lot but he was really fun to watch running around like a madman. Etan and Mookie were fine athletes too. Really close here but I think I have to go with Rony. At his best, he dominated more than the other guys.
 
Yeah, that was the word on him, but he rarely crossed the three point line, iirc.
Yeah. It seemed like his skillset didn't complement his jumping ability. I remember my cousin joking he jumped so high when shooting threes, he shot down at the rim.
 

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