An example of a competent D1 hire

[DeepThrowIt]

I will add this: From a QB standpoint, what is our identity? I see a pro-style NO Saints type scheme on the field. Then why do we continue to recruit guys like Kinder, Hunt, and Miller to play QB. It concerns me how many "project" QBs we offer and take.

 

[IthacaBarrel]

Did it ever occur to you that the reason SU has had so many problems recruiting the QB position is because student athletes and their advisers have realized that the competence of the position coach is problematic?

For the last 15 years? I doubt it

 

[echosofmanley]

No, Marrone did a horrible job with the offense, it's his scheme. Hackett is keeping his job because his boss feels he is worthy of keeping it. Nassib has a limited skill set, you aren't going to get much more out of the kid.. we have been down this road 100 times, since McNabb, hire a qb coach a better OC, that is our problem, it's the coaches!!! Been going on for 15 years now. My point is this, this is Marrone's offense, Hackett understands what marrone is trying to do and he is carrying out orders. Marrone isn't changing and I personally think that hiring and firing assistants every year is not a good idea. Let the head coach run the show, if he fails get rid of him but you need assistants who are familiar with what you are doing

Agree- ignore the delusional.

They just cant get their heads around HCDM might not work out. After Minn whips us this fall, they will get in line.

 

[kcsu]

Agree- ignore the delusional.

They just cant get their heads around HCDM might not work out. After Minn whips us this fall, they will get in line.

Agree with IB on this one

 

[SaintTristan]

I personally think that hiring and firing assistants every year is not a good idea.

it also suggests that our head coach has no idea what he is doing. He is just blindly hiring people hoping something sticks.

It is pathetic. Doug might be the nicest guy in the world. he might be an artist when it comes to molding young men into proper citizens. But he cant lead a BCS football program. he is lost out there.

it is not fair to anyone to let him coach one more game.

 

[SeeMore Glass]

Agree with IB on this one

It is all connected. Very bad coaching hire for the most important position on the field, questionable offensive scheme, seemingly ill suited to available personnel and perhaps for the college game because of the precision and repetition it requires, a significant number of players who are not buying into the program, as Marrone himself acknowledged, a ridiculous allocation of coaches during this past season- no dedicated ST coach, two coaches for the D line, two coaches for the LB's...See the pattern here? Marrone needs to take off the dunce cap soon or this program will be consistently bringing up the rear of the ACC just as it has been consistently bringing up the rear of the Big East.

 

[SoBristol]

O

Our DC was an accomplished DC prior to being named to that position by Syracuse. If Hack had been an OC at Stanford, Michigan... We wouldnt be having this discussion. Do you really think that Ryan improved this year?My point is that of all the position coaches on the O side of the ball why hire someone with zero experiance and name them OC? It makes zero sense other than the fact that Doug is actually our OC

Yes -- actually, I think Nassib improved in each of the two years under Hackett; and I also believe we maxed out the skill level of Nassib and his teammates. I know many posters believe the issue was play-calling or schemes. After PTG went down, we had one useful RB, decent possession guys in Lemon and Provo, no deep threat, no second RB, no break-away plays, and a rather weak set of WRs.
Marrone took a risk by hiring Hackett, believing that he (Marrone) was providing the adult supervision on offense. It turned out OK in 2010 (with a strong defense) and not good in 2011 when the offense had to carry a weaker defense. But, as I have posted before, the bigger issues were talent -- not recruiting an impact WR, a running QB, or a useful second RB -- and Marrone's conservative approach.
I am not surprised that Marrone is sticking with Hackett (who now has 2 years under his belt as Marrone's deputy dog) and -- ideally -- trying to fix the glaring issue with coverage and return teams.

 

[bothsocksup]

Wasnt Shafer a quaterback??? what does he know about defense?

 

[kcsu]

Wasnt Shafer a quaterback??? what does he know about defense?

Yes he was which provided him with a unique view on how to stop QB's as he got into coaching. My point is that Shafer switched to D side of the ball years ago and has proven himself not only as a D position coach but as a top flight DC. Hack on the other hand has zero experiance coaching any position on O none at all and has been handed the keys to our O which is why i think we had major problems this year with a veteran team. As to the post above i disagree. I think that we misused both AAM and Smith as running backs and that both should have recieved more playing time or AAM should have been Red shirted this year. As to WR i also dont agree. Grahm was having a very good year and all of a sudden wasnt used. Foster, West, Flemming were not used properly and most likely had confidence hurt. Ryan was spotty at best and Hacks use of him was poor. Ryan is a streak passer who need confidence and needs to get into a groove. Run Run third and long pass wasnt the ticket. After two or maybe three games Hack needed to realize that his and Dougs wish to establish the run to set up the pass wasnt going to happen. If it wasnt happening against weak teams like RI and Tulane what the heck did they think would happen when they started to play real teams. So i disagree with your post other than the fact that Yes Hack is Dougs hack.

 

[qdawgg]

Point of the lesson is... don't question anything about Shafer

 

[LeMoyneCuse]

Grahm was having a very good year and all of a sudden wasnt used. Foster, West, Flemming were not used properly and most likely had confidence hurt.

Graham had a great year? His best game was 5 catches for 66 yards against West Virginia, plus that KO return.

How was West used improperly? There's a set-in-stone, proper way to use a WR? Dude was secretly suspended for the first three games of the year, then dropped a bunch of passes when he got playing time. And he was in the game a lot.

Foster and Flemming played on specials. Maybe they weren't ready/talented enough to earn a spot in the WR rotation. It most likely could have been for any number of reasons.

But of course, it's just easier to assume the worst and blame the coaches. Why even have coaches? No matter what decision they make, they're going to be wrong. Just let the players go out there and do it themselves.

 

[RMH44]

Graham had a great year? His best game was 5 catches for 66 yards against West Virginia, plus that KO return.

How was West used improperly? There's a set-in-stone, proper way to use a WR? Dude was secretly suspended for the first three games of the year, then dropped a bunch of passes when he got playing time. And he was in the game a lot.

Foster and Flemming played on specials. Maybe they weren't ready/talented enough to earn a spot in the WR rotation. It most likely could have been for any number of reasons.

But of course, it's just easier to assume the worst and blame the coaches. Why even have coaches? No matter what decision they make, they're going to be wrong. Just let the players go out there and do it themselves.

KC lost me when he put his stamp of approval on one of Seemore Glass' posts. Sad really, because they come from two very different perspectives.

 

[CaliCuse]

Paul Chryst, new Pitt head coach, is set to name Jonathan Smith as his QB coach. Let's take a look at Smith's background: Smith was a four-year starter at QB for Oregon State where he set numerous passing records most passing yardage (9,680), total offense (9,209), and touchdown passes (55). He ended his career ranked third all time in Pac-10 history in passing yards and total offense. After graduation, he was a grad assistant at OSU under Dennis Erickson. He then coached QB's for 6 years at the University of Idaho before being named the offensive coordinator and QB coach at the University of Montana, where he led very successful offenses for the past two years.

Now lets take a look at the background of SU's QB coach and OC: He played linebacker for UC Davis, spent a year assisting the linebacker coach at UC Davis after graduation which was then followed by two years at Stanford, one as assistant to the offensive and defensive coordinators and one as recruiting coordinator. After that, for the next four years and before being hired as the QB coach by Marrone, he was an offensive quality control coach for two pro teams.

Smith had a very successful career as a D1 QB and had eight years of QB coaching experience before being named QB coach for Pitt (which rumor has it will soon happen). Hackett never played the position and had zero years of QB coaching experience before being named QB coach for SU.

 

[CaliCuse]

Ehen I was dealing withhigh level management when employed I realized providing alternative ideas was something appreciated by those high level individuals. A "yes man" gives you nothing Not even worth while "ass kissing"! At best Hackett is the latter and Doug is happy with that. I'm not.

 

[CaliCuse]

Point of the lesson is... don't question anything about Shafer

Shafer needs to do better in his attack schemes. Yes,he is a good coach but he too slipped a bit this past season.The secondary coach is fair at best. The only thing in his behalf is the talent level and injury bug hurt a bit.

 

[JoeSU]

Here are the QB coaches for the current top 10:
LSU- Kragthorpe
Alabama- McElwain
Oklahoma State- Monken
Stanford- Hamilton
Oregon- Helfrich
Boise State- Pease
Arkansas- Petrino
Wisconsin- Chryst (before being named head coach at Pitt)
South Carolina- Mangus
Kansas State-Miller

I think it's worth noting the hefty salaries of Kragthorpe ($700K), Petrino ($525K), McElwain ($500K), Chryst ($405K) and Monken ($400K). Also, three of the names you cite (McElwain, Petrino and Chryst) have already left for greener pastures.

 

[CaliCuse]

No doubt Hackett isn't in that range of $ But then again he isn't showing a high end salary demand either. I don't care who you have as an OC,the terrible O-line will minimize success. And I mean anyone. As long as the big uglies play the way they look we will not be a top team. Whether its talent or coaching is totally irrelevant.couchburn

 

[CaliCuse]

Wasnt Shafer a quaterback??? what does he know about defense?

I guess he would know what bothered him the most which makes sense to me. Pressure from the inside and corners.Having to "read the blitz" and a call on automatic at the line. All that makes the QB be concerned more about what is coming rather than where his receiver is going to make his cut.

 

[orangenauburn]

http://www.gopsusports.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/robinson_elijah00.html

bring on this guy

 

[qdawgg]

http://www.gopsusports.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/robinson_elijah00.html

bring on this guy

Why?

 

[orangenauburn]

Im adding to the craziness of this thread

Why?

 

[qdawgg]

Im adding to the craziness of this thread

LOL, gotcha. I read his bio and I didn't know if you knew something about him that didn't jump out in the bio. I guess I wasted 30 secs reading his bio.

 

[Dick_in_MI]

Now lets take a look at the background of SU's QB coach and OC: He played linebacker for UC Davis, spent a year assisting the linebacker coach at UC Davis after graduation which was then followed by two years at Stanford, one as assistant to the offensive and defensive coordinators and one as recruiting coordinator. After that, for the next four years and before being hired as the QB coach by Marrone, he was an offensive quality control coach for two pro teams.

Hackett never played the position and had zero years of QB coaching experience before being named QB coach for SU.

I wonder if we ever even made a call to former SU QB Dave Warner for OC. He has done an outstanding job as QB coach at MSU. He got some nice face time during sideline shots in their bowl today too.

 

[Chip]

I wonder if we ever even made a call to former SU QB Dave Warner for OC. He has done an outstanding job as QB coach at MSU. He got some nice face time during sideline shots in their bowl today too.

Think he'd come here as QB coach? Assuming we could keep the salary the same or even a modest increase with our new found conference money on the horizon? Hackett isn't going anywhere, Marrone isn't going to switch again. So Warner would have to report to a 17 year old, but a chance to help out the alma mater.

And with Conley apparently departing, we have an alum slot open.

 

[kcsu]

Why?

Dawgg is there anything at all that you think the coaching staff didnt do a great job at this year? Do you really think that Hack did a good job this year? Are you happy with our O? What are some of us missing?