An Offensive Philosophy Change

[Finwad32]

From Syracuse.c om., http://www.syracuse.com/orangefootb...changes_at_end_of_season_sh.html#incart_river

Just wondering, from the fan base that congregates here, who would like to see an offense ran primarily out of 12 personnel?

That's 1-RB and 2-TE's, also, Lester's primary offense at Elmhurst.

This is all assumed based on him actually adjusting Syracuse's personnel to fit that style of offense.

Do you think we'll see a re-shaping of our recruiting class?

Would you want to see us change our philosophy for the 4th time in 5 years?

Which philosophy do you prefer?

 

[Full_Rebar]

If the #2 TE is Custis, I see no big issue with it. It would seem similar to what the Patriots and Chiefs run, which allows them to move around their pass-catching TE to exploit match-ups.

 

[NovaOrange]

Personally I would like a three wide set with this look

I doubt we reshape the recruiting class this far into the game. I truly think the look above should be what we should run. I think this gives us the flexibility to run so of the things we have dont this year so the kids don't have to relearn an entire playbook.

 

[baggerbob]

Custis, and Enoicy are tight end size, but will have the ability to play inside out.

 

[Millhouse]

From Syracuse.c om., http://www.syracuse.com/orangefootb...changes_at_end_of_season_sh.html#incart_river

Just wondering, from the fan base that congregates here, who would like to see an offense ran primarily out of 12 personnel?

That's 1-RB and 2-TE's, also, Lester's primary offense at Elmhurst.

This is all assumed based on him actually adjusting Syracuse's personnel to fit that style of offense.

Do you think we'll see a re-shaping of our recruiting class?

Would you want to see us change our philosophy for the 4th time in 5 years?

Which philosophy do you prefer?

i'm not going to make too much of a vague article but Gerg couldn't decide what offense he wanted to run either

pick your offense, find your coordinator and make sure you pick an offense for which you can slide someone else in if need be

 

[orange79]

Personally, I would love to run an offense with 12 personnel, but the refs usually flag us when we try.

 

[PhatOrange]

using two tight ends at a D3 school could have been done for various reasons and him fitting system to personel. he had a stud running back and they used him.

It might not be indictitive for what he'll do here with athletes all over.

 

[Chip]

How many WRs will we have on the roster next year, and how many could be used in that other TE slot off the line?

I looked on SUA, and I count 13 WRs. Custis is one. West, Flemming, Hale, Kobena all move on after this year. I assume Funderburke has another year of eligibility even though he's listed as a SR.

Where do the guys like Estime and Phillips fit in?

 

[dollarbill44]

pick your offense, find your coordinator and make sure you pick an offense for which you can slide someone else in if need be

This is the most important thing. Nearly every offense can be effective in college if you have the right personnel and you run it with proficiency. Constant change is the worst strategy.

 

[supp]

From Syracuse.c om., http://www.syracuse.com/orangefootb...changes_at_end_of_season_sh.html#incart_river

Just wondering, from the fan base that congregates here, who would like to see an offense ran primarily out of 12 personnel?

That's 1-RB and 2-TE's, also, Lester's primary offense at Elmhurst.

This is all assumed based on him actually adjusting Syracuse's personnel to fit that style of offense.

Do you think we'll see a re-shaping of our recruiting class?

Would you want to see us change our philosophy for the 4th time in 5 years?

Which philosophy do you prefer?

So does this article settle all questions about Lester as OC beyond this season? Personally, I think Shafer needs to wait it out a bit. No need to commit to this guy just yet. I understand the concerns about continuity and stability but we're going to lose that anyway if Lester goes in a significantly different direction offensively. They've just spent three years (including this incoming recruiting class) remaking the offensive personnel. This is where changing philosophies really hurts.

Shafer has shown himself to be too impulsive as HC (on the sideline, in his off-the-field decision-making). You need to have a level head in that position. No need to show your cards at this point. Let's see how Lester finishes the year and then make a decision.

 

[Crusty]

From Syracuse.c om., http://www.syracuse.com/orangefootb...changes_at_end_of_season_sh.html#incart_river

Just wondering, from the fan base that congregates here, who would like to see an offense ran primarily out of 12 personnel?

That's 1-RB and 2-TE's, also, Lester's primary offense at Elmhurst.

This is all assumed based on him actually adjusting Syracuse's personnel to fit that style of offense.

Do you think we'll see a re-shaping of our recruiting class?

Would you want to see us change our philosophy for the 4th time in 5 years?

Which philosophy do you prefer?

All of this, of course, suggests that Lester has the job next year.

I hate to see all these changes so frequently. It makes it extremely difficult to recruit and it confuses recruits as well.

While I prefer a spread in the dome, my real preference is one that works.

 

[CusefanATL]

ben lewis could move to te2

 

[statsgrad]

I personally would love to see a 12 personnel. Would love to stop trying to compete with ACC teams on speed and get back to power running/play action to Custis/Enoicy types -- we seem to do better recruiting talented wr/te hybrids than we do recruiting 4 and 5 star true wr types. I think the Custis/Enoicy on the field at the same time presents a whole bunch of matchup problems for generally small/speedy ACC secondaries.

 

[phil77]

In the dome we should not be a ground and pound team. We should be an air show in the dome. Play fast and smart. Use the dome to our advantage. Ground and Pound is the opposite of using our dome as an advantage. College football has changed. I want an offense like we saw against FSU no need to change anything.

 

[Pyle]

In the dome we should not be a ground and pound team. We should be an air show in the dome. Play fast and smart. Use the dome to our advantage. Ground and Pound is the opposite of using our dome as an advantage. College football has changed. I want an offense like we saw against FSU no need to change anything.

Pariani, White, Spence, Hackett, etc have all tried this so called vaunted air attack in the Dome, most with horrible results. At the end of the day it's tough to get the kids needed for that scheme here, we seem just under that radar. What has worked, to some extent is the idea of blue collar, beat the piss out of them football. Unfortunately it seems to have a ceiling around 8 wins, and won't get you past the Clemson's and FSU's. So we keep trying to go back to it and end up with a horrible offense and 2 wins and then we panic and go back to blue collar football. I don't have answers, just making observations. I don't know what the answer is.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

Oh, Hell no.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

Pariani, White, Spence, Hackett, etc have all tried this so called vaunted air attack in the Dome, most with horrible results.

I would argue that we have never actually committed to an air attack.

 

[phil77]

Pariani, White, Spence, Hackett, etc have all tried this so called vaunted air attack in the Dome, most with horrible results. At the end of the day it's tough to get the kids needed for that scheme here, we seem just under that radar. What has worked, to some extent is the idea of blue collar, beat the piss out of them football. Unfortunately it seems to have a ceiling around 8 wins, and won't get you past the Clemson's and FSU's. So we keep trying to go back to it and end up with a horrible offense and 2 wins and then we panic and go back to blue collar football. I don't have answers, just making observations. I don't know what the answer is.

How has the ground and pound teams worked? Not like they are winning here either. Oregon sucked before they found a system then they got an exciting system and were able to get players there. Not like they have been a powerhouse forever. We need to bring an exciting brand of football to the dome. If we are going to be battling for a 6-6 record regardless of the system then at least make it an entertaining system to watch.

We need to get lucky and get a young offensive mind and let me have at it like Oregon, Texas Tech, Baylor. Texas Tech and Baylor were not getting the 4-5 star recruits when they turned it around. What they got is a young good coach with an exciting system and then the recruits starting coming.

 

[Pat Kelly]

How many WRs will we have on the roster next year, and how many could be used in that other TE slot off the line?

I looked on SUA, and I count 13 WRs. Custis is one. West, Flemming, Hale, Kobena all move on after this year. I assume Funderburke has another year of eligibility even though he's listed as a SR.

Where do the guys like Estime and Phillips fit in?

My lord, I forgot about Kobena… remember when he was returning kicks

 

[OttoinGrotto]

How has the ground and pound teams worked? Not like they are winning here either.

Bingo.

 

[statsgrad]

You guys the use the dome as an excuse to have an air it out offense are honestly out of your mind. What school that runs a successful spread isn't in or immediately bordering California, Texas, or Florida? The northeast is our recruiting base and we have to play to that strength -- that is far more important than some tiny field advantage. How many successful B1G teams run a 5 wide spread year in and year out? This is laughable.

 

[GoSU96]

How has the ground and pound teams worked? Not like they are winning here either. Oregon sucked before they found a system then they got an exciting system and were able to get players there. Not like they have been a powerhouse forever. We need to bring an exciting brand of football to the dome. If we are going to be battling for a 6-6 record regardless of the system then at least make it an entertaining system to watch.

We need to get lucky and get a young offensive mind and let me have at it like Oregon, Texas Tech, Baylor. Texas Tech and Baylor were not getting the 4-5 star recruits when they turned it around. What they got is a young good coach with an exciting system and then the recruits starting coming.

Oregon is running the ball 58% of the time, Baylor 56%. SU by contrast runs the ball 52% of the time.


Yeah Texas Tech throws the ball 63% of the time, and they are 2-4. Wash. St. throws it 77% of the time and they are 2-5.

There are four teams out of the 125+ D-1 teams that throw the 60% or more, Wash St, 2-5, Texas Tech, 2-4, Cinci 2-3, Western Kentucky 2-3.

I'd love to have the Baylor offense here, that's why when Marrone left I thought they should call Phil Montgomery.

Still do.

 

[phil77]

Oregon is running the ball 58% of the time, Baylor 56%. SU by contrast runs the ball 52% of the time.


Yeah Texas Tech throws the ball 63% of the time, and they are 2-4. Wash. St. throws it 77% of the time and they are 2-5.

There are four teams out of the 125+ D-1 teams that throw the 60% or more, Wash St, 2-5, Texas Tech, 2-4, Cinci 2-3, Western Kentucky 2-3.

I'd love to have the Baylor offense here, that's why when Marrone left I thought they should call Phil Montgomery.

Still do.

I don't mind running the ball but I don't want to see the 2 TE 2 running back sets and just push the pile ahead. I wanted spread offense. Explosive plays. Things like that. The offense we had against FSU last week is what I envision a Syracuse dome offense to look like. That offense is ran with 3 star players and we put up 20 on FSU. Anyone else should be in the 30's. Big plays to Ish. Felt like we focused on the run in FSU game and I loved that. It wasn't in a ground and pound fashion it was in the spread fashion.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

You guys the use the dome as an excuse to have an air it out offense are honestly out of your mind. What school that runs a successful spread isn't in or immediately bordering California, Texas, or Florida? The northeast is our recruiting base and we have to play to that strength -- that is far more important than some tiny field advantage.

1. Our field advantage is not tiny, and it is the one completely unique and distinguishable thing we have. When you have something like that, you can't waste it.
2. Spread works all over the country. It's conceptually sound.
3. If we are the unique Northeastern spread identity, recruits in our backyard that want to play in that kind of system will come (spoiler alert - they all want to play that style).
4. We already lose the elite Northeastern recruits to spread schools.

 

[rrlbees]

3 yards and a cloud of dust (or turf pellets).