An old bird told me

[chakka3421]

He didn't call a timeout against Virginia and they settled for a field goal . He called timeout at FSU and scored a touchdown.

You are right it was the FSU game but he didn't run the clock down and I think FSU scores before the half. I think I remember just the inconsistency of his time management and decision making where in the Virginia game the players were gassed and he should have went for 2 instead. Coast year was a blur for me when it came to our offensive production plus what happened to ED in one of the last games where we had no chance to win. Nuff said.

 

[CousCuse]

You are right it was the FSU game but he didn't run the clock down and I think FSU scores before the half. I think I remember just the inconsistency of his time management and decision making where in the Virginia game the players were gassed and he should have went for 2 instead. Coast year was a blur for me when it came to our offensive production plus what happened to ED in one of the last games where we had no chance to win. Nuff said.

Matbe Dino can get the backward cavemen who run the ACC to come down against any play that looks like cheap shot head hunting. They apparently aren't aware of the concussion problem and what a bad light it casts on the game to the public at large. Maybe the AD could put some effort into this.

 

[HtownOrange]

With this offense, our defense will on the field a lot. I'd get used to it.

I can see Baber's offense requiring the use of most defensive players to give a quick break/drink of Gatorade, similar to lacrosse and hockey. We can expect the opposing offenses will have a higher number of plays simply based on the higher number of possessions. This bodes well for young kids who want to see the field early - such a great opportunity!

 

[Whitey23]

You are right it was the FSU game but he didn't run the clock down and I think FSU scores before the half. I think I remember just the inconsistency of his time management and decision making where in the Virginia game the players were gassed and he should have went for 2 instead. Coast year was a blur for me when it came to our offensive production plus what happened to ED in one of the last games where we had no chance to win. Nuff said.

TNIAAM
1. Questionable coaching decisions
Down 21-7 with the ball and near the goal line with about a minute left in the first half, the Orange took a timeout. That stopped the clock, and after Eric Dungey ran for a touchdown on the next play, there were still 56 seconds remaining in the half. Had Syracuse not called a timeout, it obviously could've wasted some clock and left FSU without enough time to do anything offensively.

Then, on the ensuing kickoff, SU opted to squib kick, despite the fact that kicker Ryan Norton had already recorded a couple touchbacks. That gave the Seminoles the ball at their own 42-yard line and, with plenty of time to operate, they promptly marched 58 yards on seven plays, scoring a touchdown and erasing any momentum SU had seized.

 

[CousCuse]

TNIAAM
1. Questionable coaching decisions
Down 21-7 with the ball and near the goal line with about a minute left in the first half, the Orange took a timeout. That stopped the clock, and after Eric Dungey ran for a touchdown on the next play, there were still 56 seconds remaining in the half. Had Syracuse not called a timeout, it obviously could've wasted some clock and left FSU without enough time to do anything offensively.

Then, on the ensuing kickoff, SU opted to squib kick, despite the fact that kicker Ryan Norton had already recorded a couple touchbacks. That gave the Seminoles the ball at their own 42-yard line and, with plenty of time to operate, they promptly marched 58 yards on seven plays, scoring a touchdown and erasing any momentum SU had seized.

TNIAAM sophomoric analysis. They think a TD is a given against FSU from the 1 yard line. Had he not called a timeout then , FSU could just as easily have blown up the next play and pushed them back to the 10. He say his freshman led offense wasn't totally focused and wanted to give them the best chance to score a TD and build up their confidence for the long term . Norton is the goat for not being able to execute a play he is responsible for. I saw that kick used many times during Bowl games and with much success.

 

[Toga]

TNIAAM
1. Questionable coaching decisions
Down 21-7 with the ball and near the goal line with about a minute left in the first half, the Orange took a timeout. That stopped the clock, and after Eric Dungey ran for a touchdown on the next play, there were still 56 seconds remaining in the half. Had Syracuse not called a timeout, it obviously could've wasted some clock and left FSU without enough time to do anything offensively.

Then, on the ensuing kickoff, SU opted to squib kick, despite the fact that kicker Ryan Norton had already recorded a couple touchbacks. That gave the Seminoles the ball at their own 42-yard line and, with plenty of time to operate, they promptly marched 58 yards on seven plays, scoring a touchdown and erasing any momentum SU had seized.

I was begging to be taken out and shot.

 

[All4SU]

TNIAAM
1. Questionable coaching decisions
Down 21-7 with the ball and near the goal line with about a minute left in the first half, the Orange took a timeout. That stopped the clock, and after Eric Dungey ran for a touchdown on the next play, there were still 56 seconds remaining in the half. Had Syracuse not called a timeout, it obviously could've wasted some clock and left FSU without enough time to do anything offensively.

Then, on the ensuing kickoff, SU opted to squib kick, despite the fact that kicker Ryan Norton had already recorded a couple touchbacks. That gave the Seminoles the ball at their own 42-yard line and, with plenty of time to operate, they promptly marched 58 yards on seven plays, scoring a touchdown and erasing any momentum SU had seized.

Hindsight. Had SU not called a timeout, and not scored, FSU may have still taken the ball all the way down the field in :30. Squib kick, meh, I don't know how much execution of it came into play. FSU was the better team, and they made the plays they needed to make to win.

 

[CousCuse]

Hindsight. Had SU not called a timeout, and not scored, FSU may have still taken the ball all the way down the field in :30. Squib kick, meh, I don't know how much execution of it came into play. FSU was the better team, and they made the plays they needed to make to win.

I was genuinely thrilled when they scored that TD . Our team of lightly recruited 18 year old kids , for the most part , against a semi-professional triple A NFL talent factory who are national playoff contenders. If we just had better clock management ,we could have beat them , yea OK. Shafer was just trying to get them to walk without falling down.

 

[OburgOrange]

I pray Fredericks and Strickland get blocking at the line of scrimmage AS WELL as down field. Ben Lewis will be missed. He blocked very well down field.

Why isn't Ben Lewis here?

 

[OrangePA]

Don't. Saw some stuff that leads me to think that whatever issues there were with pass rushing last year was NOT the fault of the players...

In another discussion I suggested that the problems we had in the secondary last season was not the function of bad scheming or teaching by the coaches.

I thought that a lot of our problem last year was inexperience on defense including a great deal of inexperience at DL.

Coming into 2016 we will be even more inexperienced at DE and will now be using a scheme that is not as aggressive at the point of attack.

The Tampa 2 bends and does include blitz packages. It depends a great deal on the ability of the DEs to pass rush on their own.

So, the new system apparently will highlight even more our weakness at the DL position.

 

[OrangePA]

Don't. Saw some stuff that leads me to think that whatever issues there were with pass rushing last year was NOT the fault of the players...

In another discussion I suggested that the problems we had in the secondary last season was not the function of bad scheming or teaching by the coaches.

I thought that a lot of our problem last year was inexperience on defense including a great deal of inexperience at DL.

Coming into 2016 we will be even more inexperienced at DE and will now be using a scheme that is not as aggressive at the point of attack.

The Tampa 2 bends and does include blitz packages. It depends a great deal on the ability of the DEs to push rush on their own.

So, the new system apparently will highlight even more our weakness at the DL position.

 

[PAcuse]

Why isn't Ben Lewis here?

He decided to move on and not come back for his 5th year, I believe it was due to injuries he has had the last few years.

 

[OburgOrange]

He decided to move on and not come back for his 5th year, I believe it was due to injuries he has had the last few years.

Wish him the best. I really liked him.

 

[upperdeck]

TNIAAM sophomoric analysis. They think a TD is a given against FSU from the 1 yard line. Had he not called a timeout then , FSU could just as easily have blown up the next play and pushed them back to the 10. He say his freshman led offense wasn't totally focused and wanted to give them the best chance to score a TD and build up their confidence for the long term . Norton is the goat for not being able to execute a play he is responsible for. I saw that kick used many times during Bowl games and with much success.

i think the issue was he called the time out with over 20 secs left on the play clock.. calling the TO is ok, but let the clock run down to limit what FSU has time left to do.

 

[721Comstock]

i think the issue was he called the time out with over 20 secs left on the play clock.. calling the TO is ok, but let the clock run down to limit what FSU has time left to do.

THIS.
Calling TO - defensible - IF you wait until the play clock runs down to nearly zero before doing so.
That way, you don't leave your opponent with any appreciable time to do anything before the half.

That's Clock Management 101. A class Shafer apparently took at UNC.

 

[CousCuse]

i think the issue was he called the time out with over 20 secs left on the play clock.. calling the TO is ok, but let the clock run down to limit what FSU has time left to do.

As I recall it was 2nd down and goal at the 1 yard line with 1 timeout in hand . If you wind the clock down to 30 seconds and then call a TO and you don,t get in for a TD , what do you do , spike the ball on 3rd down for a field goal? It is bad logic to assume that the touchdown would be scored on second down.

 

[MSOrange]

As I recall it was 2nd down and goal at the 1 yard line with 1 timeout in hand . If you wind the clock down to 30 seconds and then call a TO and you don,t get in for a TD , what do you do , spike the ball on 3rd down for a field goal? It is bad logic to assume that the touchdown would be scored on second down.

It was our second timeout. We still would have had one left.

http://www.syracuse.com/orangefootb...acuse_football_in_dominating_performance.html

 

[dollarbill44]

As I recall it was 2nd down and goal at the 1 yard line with 1 timeout in hand . If you wind the clock down to 30 seconds and then call a TO and you don,t get in for a TD , what do you do , spike the ball on 3rd down for a field goal? It is bad logic to assume that the touchdown would be scored on second down.

It actually would have been flawless logic because that is exactly what happened.

 

[upperdeck]

As I recall it was 2nd down and goal at the 1 yard line with 1 timeout in hand . If you wind the clock down to 30 seconds and then call a TO and you don,t get in for a TD , what do you do , spike the ball on 3rd down for a field goal? It is bad logic to assume that the touchdown would be scored on second down.

even with no TO left its pretty simple to call 2 plays that close to the EZone and get them off. run then pass kick FG leave field.. even that would have been better than TD with FSU topping it.

 

[bnoro]

In another discussion I suggested that the problems we had in the secondary last season was not the function of bad scheming or teaching by the coaches.

I thought that a lot of our problem last year was inexperience on defense including a great deal of inexperience at DL.

Coming into 2016 we will be even more inexperienced at DE and will now be using a scheme that is not as aggressive at the point of attack.

The Tampa 2 bends and does include blitz packages. It depends a great deal on the ability of the DEs to push rush on their own.

So, the new system apparently will highlight even more our weakness at the DL position.

when the QB of the other team has an open man in the first 2 seconds of snapping the ball, that's the secondary's and the coaches' fault. No DL can get to the QB that quick.

 

[orange44]

when the QB of the other team has an open man in the first 2 seconds of snapping the ball, that's the secondary's and the coaches' fault. No DL can get to the QB that quick.

So true!

 

[CousCuse]

even with no TO left its pretty simple to call 2 plays that close to the EZone and get them off. run then pass kick FG leave field.. even that would have been better than TD with FSU topping it.

What if you get sacked or take a penalty on the 2nd down play?Then you could be back at the 10 with 15 seconds and the clock still winding , do you take your final timeout there. What if he gets sacked again , then not enough time to get the field goal unit in place and 0 points .We hadn't scored a lot of TD's and I agree with making a good call with time on the clock so they don't get nervous . That offense was as young as you can get . Like the people on here observe how much better these guys are this year in practice , they are bigger , stronger , faster and more experienced , that's usually what happens when your in a P5 program for a year. Did you think they could win that game?

 

[OrangePA]

when the QB of the other team has an open man in the first 2 seconds of snapping the ball, that's the secondary's and the coaches' fault. No DL can get to the QB that quick.

So, I guess we didn't play enough press coverage last year?

Maybe that's right. Maybe we ran the wrong scheme.

Or, maybe the coaches did not feel that our players were capable of playing press coverage.

I don't know football x's and o's well enough to know and I never heard any of the coaches discuss the scheme last year.

But, from what I've been told by people who seem to know football, the Tampa 2 defense is a very conservative one that is not aggressive and that relies on four DL to provide a pass rush.

It is very different from what Scott Shafer ran.

 

[upperdeck]

What if you get sacked or take a penalty on the 2nd down play?Then you could be back at the 10 with 15 seconds and the clock still winding , do you take your final timeout there. What if he gets sacked again , then not enough time to get the field goal unit in place and 0 points .We hadn't scored a lot of TD's and I agree with making a good call with time on the clock so they don't get nervous . That offense was as young as you can get . Like the people on here observe how much better these guys are this year in practice , they are bigger , stronger , faster and more experienced , that's usually what happens when your in a P5 program for a year. Did you think they could win that game?

let it run down and kick the fg if you are worried about a 2nd sack, but thats on the QB to throw it away

 

[orangepassion]

So, I guess we didn't play enough press coverage last year?

Maybe that's right. Maybe we ran the wrong scheme.

Or, maybe the coaches did not feel that our players were capable of playing press coverage.

I don't know football x's and o's well enough to know and I never heard any of the coaches discuss the scheme last year.

But, from what I've been told by people who seem to know football, the Tampa 2 defense is a very conservative one that is not aggressive and that relies on four DL to provide a pass rush.

It is very different from what Scott Shafer ran.

I would think that a more aggressive D that gets our D off the field quickly after our (hopefully) quick scoring drives makes the best match. If we score quickly and then keep the defense on the field for a while with a bend, but don't break, would think our D would be exhausted. Obviously Dino disagrees w/ this sentiment.