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OrangePA said:
So, I guess we didn't play enough press coverage last year? Maybe that's right. Maybe we ran the wrong scheme. Or, maybe the coaches did not feel that our players were capable of playing press coverage. I don't know football x's and o's well enough to know and I never heard any of the coaches discuss the scheme last year. But, from what I've been told by people who seem to know football, the Tampa 2 defense is a very conservative one that is not aggressive and that relies on four DL to provide a pass rush. It is very different from what Scott Shafer ran.

Zone is hard to throw against. The Tampa 2 is very good a forcing mistakes, exposing sub-par QB play, and creating TO's. Don't mistake a lack of blitzing for a lack of pressure. It's just being applied differently.

And if you're up by two TD's - this is the D you want.
 
orangepassion said:
I would think that a more aggressive D that gets our D off the field quickly after our (hopefully) quick scoring drives makes the best match. If we score quickly and then keep the defense on the field for a while with a bend, but don't break, would think our D would be exhausted. Obviously Dino disagrees w/ this sentiment.
High risk, high reward. Big plays with guys getting open easily plagued us last year. If you bring pressure and don't get there you're still on the field or down a score. If the worst that can happen is a long slow scoring drive, but your offense scores in bunches quickly? Win.
 
We've averaged 5.5 wins a season over the past 7 years.

4.6 wins a season over the 14 years.

Dino can run whatever defense he wants. The hand wringing is silly.

Scooch, you know the rule regarding online message boards: No logic allowed! Now go back and post something emotional.

I agree, though I was happy with HCSS and would have given him another year, the offense has been lackluster for a very long time. We have a new HC and he has a proven system for offense with a decent defense and a winning record. It is his time to show what he can do at the highest level of CFB. No looking back, time to move forward.
 
Shocking, another positive thread spirals into something completely different. How long are you guys going to continue to whine about the previous staff?

We get a nugget that JF, DS & ED are killing it. Followed by verification and additional information from a player's parent. Ok, let's take this opportunity to talk about the ineptitude of the previous staff. Start a thread if you want to continue comparing staffs and their shortcomings.

Holy crap, I'm glad some of you aren't any of my ex's, just let it goooooooo.

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We've averaged 5.5 wins a season over the past 7 years.

4.6 wins a season over the 14 years.

Dino can run whatever defense he wants. The hand wringing is silly.

Well there is that, I think the Tampa 2 is a safer approach for a team that wants to run 100 offensive plays, to me it seems easier to have a middle of the road defense this way as well, Top 10 offense, middle of the road defense should get us back to winning quite a few games. Those holding out hope to be great on both sides of the ball, I just don't see it anytime soon. Lots of 45-42 games in our future, which is fine. Tougher to beat better teams with no offense as well
 
The Tampa 2 + this offense's ability to apply pressure via scoring quickly is really putting the pressure on the opposing QB. That guy better have some stones.
 
Don't. Saw some stuff that leads me to think that whatever issues there were with pass rushing last year was NOT the fault of the players...

is that your first public endorsement of the new staff's coaching scheme/acumen over the old staff ?
 
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Methinks that coaching changes hurt their development. Another year, or two, of Adkins/Marrone would've made a huge difference.

yes definitely. and the guy who coached them the last 2 years is still out of work.
 
TNIAAM sophomoric analysis. They think a TD is a given against FSU from the 1 yard line. Had he not called a timeout then , FSU could just as easily have blown up the next play and pushed them back to the 10. He say his freshman led offense wasn't totally focused and wanted to give them the best chance to score a TD and build up their confidence for the long term . Norton is the goat for not being able to execute a play he is responsible for. I saw that kick used many times during Bowl games and with much success.
Fine we have three time outs left there w 1:27 left to play. If you want a timeout you run the full play clock down before calling the timeout then call it. Leaves +/-45 seconds to run red zone plays and kick a FG with incl passes a stopping the clock and two more time outs for stoppage to call a play and kick the field goal.
 
What if you get sacked or take a penalty on the 2nd down play?Then you could be back at the 10 with 15 seconds and the clock still winding , do you take your final timeout there. What if he gets sacked again , then not enough time to get the field goal unit in place and 0 points .We hadn't scored a lot of TD's and I agree with making a good call with time on the clock so they don't get nervous . That offense was as young as you can get . Like the people on here observe how much better these guys are this year in practice , they are bigger , stronger , faster and more experienced , that's usually what happens when your in a P5 program for a year. Did you think they could win that game?
What if you score too quickly, leaving too much time on the clock, make a boneheaded ST call, and let the other team get the points back in less than a minute right before the half? Oh wait, that's exactly what happened. It was bad clock management. Maybe you'd like to defend the timeout against CMU that set up the game tying TD? The squib kick against Pitt? The bench fouls? Shall I go on? Shafer was in over his head, it was obvious to some. I liked his attitude and drive, I didn't like our results or the lack of professionalism he displayed on a regular basis.
 
What if you score too quickly, leaving too much time on the clock, make a boneheaded ST call, and let the other team get the points back in less than a minute right before the half? Oh wait, that's exactly what happened. It was bad clock management. Maybe you'd like to defend the timeout against CMU that set up the game tying TD? The squib kick against Pitt? The bench fouls? Shall I go on? Shafer was in over his head, it was obvious to some. I liked his attitude and drive, I didn't like our results or the lack of professionalism he displayed on a regular basis.
The timeout against CMU , you mean when the defense was clearly shredded and in disarray ? Squib kicks are a legitimate play and strategy , if Dino uses one are you going to be a stuffed shirt hypocrite and say it was a good play ? If you didn't like Scott's personality and think he does not represent the University , that's valid , just say it and stop using stupid logic to justify your point of view. He really doesn't need to come up at all at this point , but I hate seeing a decent guy get smeared .
 
The timeout against CMU , you mean when the defense was clearly shredded and in disarray ? Squib kicks are a legitimate play and strategy , if Dino uses one are you going to be a stuffed shirt hypocrite and say it was a good play ? If you didn't like Scott's personality and think he does not represent the University , that's valid , just say it and stop using stupid logic to justify your point of view. He really doesn't need to come up at all at this point , but I hate seeing a decent guy get smeared .
He was a decent guy, who made bad decisions during the course of a football game. Defending those decisions doesn't help his legacy. Shafer cared alot about his kids and the community. Want to prop the guy up, focus on that. Defending his game time decisions won't get it done, they were pretty awful.
 
The timeout against CMU , you mean when the defense was clearly shredded and in disarray ? Squib kicks are a legitimate play and strategy , if Dino uses one are you going to be a stuffed shirt hypocrite and say it was a good play ? If you didn't like Scott's personality and think he does not represent the University , that's valid , just say it and stop using stupid logic to justify your point of view. He really doesn't need to come up at all at this point , but I hate seeing a decent guy get smeared .
Greg Robinson was a decent guy too. He's just a shitty head football coach, just like Scott Shafer was.
 
Greg Robinson was a decent guy too. He's just a shitty head football coach, just like Scott Shafer was.
Saying that Shafer and Robinson were the same is flat out wrong.

Shafer was a way better coach than Gerg, he just wasn't good enough to get this program back to where we feel we should be.
 
Saying that Shafer and Robinson were the same is flat out wrong.

Shafer was a way better coach than Gerg, he just wasn't good enough to get this program back to where we feel we should be.
He wasn't good enough to have 5th string QB's put together winning seasons for him , truly incompetent.
 
Saying that Shafer and Robinson were the same is flat out wrong.

Shafer was a way better coach than Gerg, he just wasn't good enough to get this program back to where we feel we should be.
I didn't say they were the same. I said they were both bad football coaches. One was a lot worse than the other, but that doesn't change they were both shitty coaches.
 
He wasn't good enough to have 5th string QB's put together winning seasons for him , truly incompetent.

Offense with those QBs got just enough done to win some games that were unfortunately ultimately lost because the defense wasn't able to help us hold on to some late game leads.
 
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