And then there were 11

[Alsacs]

Your % to get Bryant is way too high.

If we have a spot for Bryant I think it is pretty obvious he will come here. We never had a spot to offer him until we lost 1 guy. Now we can as long as we are above 10 scholarships next year I think he is an Orangeman next year.

 

[iommi]

If we have a spot for Bryant I think it is pretty obvious he will come here. We never had a spot to offer him until we lost 1 guy. Now we can as long as we are above 10 scholarships next year I think he is an Orangeman next year.

I think he will come here too but it's not anywhere near a lock.

 

[Alsacs]

I think he will come here too but it's not anywhere near a lock.

What I meant as a lock is assuming we can offer a scholarship. If we can't offer a scholly obvious its not a lock, but with the fact he is from Rochester and Syracuse is a lot closer than Indiana or Missouri we would be the obvious pick. Bryant has never committed because I think he was giving SU the chance to clear a spot for him.

 

[iommi]

What I meant as a lock is assuming we can offer a scholarship. If we can't offer a scholly obvious its not a lock, but with the fact he is from Rochester and Syracuse is a lot closer than Indiana or Missouri we would be the obvious pick. Bryant has never committed because I think he was giving SU the chance to clear a spot for him.

His mom wants him to play here but he'd like to play further away. Thing is Indiana is a mess with Crean possibly on the way out and Kentucky is looking at other centers. So that leaves Linda Bryant's #1 choice.

 

[Cusefan0307]

His mom wants him to play here but he'd like to play further away. Thing is Indiana is a mess with Crean possibly on the way out and Kentucky is looking at other centers. So that leaves Linda Bryant's #1 choice.

So what you are saying is we all should be big Wichita State fans today.

 

[iommi]

So what you are saying is we all should be big Wichita State fans today.

I'm actually nervous, watching that game. I'm rooting my ass off for the Shockers.

 

[Cusefan0307]

I'm actually nervous, watching that game. I'm rooting my ass off for the Shockers.

Yogi on fire unfortunately so far.

 

[Fly Rodder]

the penalty can only be put off in the case of already executed financial aid agreements, which must be certified by dated documents. there is a reason for that second provision.

Only the financial aid agreements which put Syracuse over the 10 scholarships for 15-16 to ensure that Syracuse didn't ink players just to put off the scholarship reduction after the penalties were released. Thass it.

Your reading of the penalties is not accurate. Otherwise it is a 5-year, 14 scholarship penalty.

 

[pearl31]

honestly, I think the people arguing that are being obtuse - some willfully so - in order to keep open a slim window of hope.

the penalty can only be put off in the case of already executed financial aid agreements, which must be certified by dated documents. there is a reason for that second provision. if SU tries to add another player on scholarship after the March 6 date of the penalty assessment, then the put-off option is cancelled and they have to get down to 10 scholarship players immediately.

the only question is whether this is all put in suspension by the appeal; that is the only loophole I see

wow, looks like moqui must be the smartest guy in the room!
(even though his reading of the report is just as right/wrong as others' reading )

 

[iommi]

wow, looks like moqui must be the smartest guy in the room!
(even though his reading of the report is just as right/wrong as others' reading )

Someone has to play the contrarian role on just about every issue.

 

[sabach]

honestly, I think the people arguing that are being obtuse - some willfully so - in order to keep open a slim window of hope.

the penalty can only be put off in the case of already executed financial aid agreements, which must be certified by dated documents. there is a reason for that second provision. if SU tries to add another player on scholarship after the March 6 date of the penalty assessment, then the put-off option is cancelled and they have to get down to 10 scholarship players immediately.

the only question is whether this is all put in suspension by the appeal; that is the only loophole I see

Right now we have 11 scholarship players for 2015/16 and all 11 were under agreement before the sanctions came down. Therefore, by the terms of the sanctions, we are permitted to push the 10 limit to 2016/17 so as not to force out anyone who was "under contract for 2015/16" before the sanctions were announced.
Under your reasoning, we are not permitted to fill spots 12 and 13 for 2015/16 (with Bryant, anyone else, or giving those scholarships to bench walk ons to boost the APR).
If that is the case, then the sanctions actually begin in 2015/16 with those two scholarships that cannot be filled. How do you explain the legal reasoning of asserting a two scholarship penalty for 2015/16 when by the very terms of the NCAA sanctions, the scholarship limit is not being imposed until the next year.

 

[kuethstheman]

honestly, I think the people arguing that are being obtuse - some willfully so - in order to keep open a slim window of hope.

the penalty can only be put off in the case of already executed financial aid agreements, which must be certified by dated documents. there is a reason for that second provision. if SU tries to add another player on scholarship after the March 6 date of the penalty assessment, then the put-off option is cancelled and they have to get down to 10 scholarship players immediately.

the only question is whether this is all put in suspension by the appeal; that is the only loophole I see

As written, as long as we have a dated agreement that puts us over 10, there's nothing that says we can't add an 12th. You're not being obtuse but I can think of some other words that apply (for calling out other posters).

 

[rrlbees]

We can. Otherwise it would now be a 14 ship loss. 2 this year and 3 the next 4.

I know, I said as much when it was first released in the post where I said I probably confused everyone.

 

[rrlbees]

per the Mike Waters article linked this morning in OrangeXtreme's 'news' thread... In the short term, the departures of Johnson and Patterson would give Syracuse the ability to sign Thomas Bryant...

And mike had an article early on that said we couldn't add Bryant. Glad he saw the light.

 

[jordoo]

It seems Iommi is all over this one but I'd add that tremendous changes aren't necessarily limited to this off season nor is the roster necessarily 100% set for next season for those coming in or leaving. We are still recruiting Bryant.

 

[iommi]

It seems Iommi is all over this one but I'd add that tremendous changes aren't necessarily limited to this off season nor is the roster necessarily 100% set for next season for those coming in or leaving. We are still recruiting Bryant.

I wouldn't say I'm all over it. I haven't said anything that is ground-breaking or news-worthy. But like all of us, I'm obsessive about TB's recruitment.

 

[jordoo]

I wouldn't say I'm all over it. I haven't said anything that is ground-breaking or news-worthy. But like all of us, I'm obsessive about TB's recruitment.

That's what I mean you actually read the thread, pay attention and remember. how dare you stay informed.

 

[Alsacs]

Well thank you Tom Crean for being Tom Crean Indiana loses to Wichita State.

 

[Alsacs]

Thomas Bryant you don't want to play for this man.

 

[pearl31]

meh, I don't think they'll fire Crean - if they had missed the tourney altogether (which they probably should have) he prolly woulda been gone - selection committee saved his hide at least for another year

 

[iommi]

meh, I don't think they'll fire Crean - if they had missed the tourney altogether (which they probably should have) he prolly woulda been gone - selection committee saved his hide at least for another year

They might not fire him...but he might leave.

 

[pearl31]

They might not fire him...but he might leave.

doubt it very much - specially to a backwater like bama where hoops is an afterthought

 

[Alsacs]

Indiana will back channel with Brad Stevens. If Stevens will leave the Celtics after this year I think they could pop Crean. If Stevens says he isn't leaving the Celtics yet then I think Crean is safe.

The next Indiana coach IMO will be Brad Stevens but does he want it now.

 

[IthacaMatt]

honestly, I think the people arguing that are being obtuse - some willfully so - in order to keep open a slim window of hope.

the penalty can only be put off in the case of already executed financial aid agreements, which must be certified by dated documents. there is a reason for that second provision. if SU tries to add another player on scholarship after the March 6 date of the penalty assessment, then the put-off option is cancelled and they have to get down to 10 scholarship players immediately.

the only question is whether this is all put in suspension by the appeal; that is the only loophole I see

I believe it's by academic year, isn't it? I believe the late signing period is still open.

 

[SU_Fan_in_VA]

I cannot believe that a ruling that is so clearly defined has generated this much back and forth discussion. It clearly states that Syracuse Men's Basketball must reduce their number of offered scholarships to no more than 10 for the following 3 seasons (2015-2016, 2016-2017, and 2017-2018), unless they have previously made commitments that would prevent them from abiding by the rule. In which case, Syracuse has the option of deferring the santion till the 2016-2017 season. It sounds to me that once Syracuse has made the decision to defer the sanction till the 2016-2017 season based on the number of committed scholarships, that they can have up to 13 scholarship players on the team for the 2015-2016 season. Which means that Syracuse can add 2 more scholarship players to the team for the 2015-2016 season, but must loose 3 thereafter.