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Another presser

OrangeDW said:
He’s also a streaky guy who runs hot and cold, whose emotions can carry him to higher highs…or he can be a complete headcase and get his shot blocked while taking 72 seconds to shoot after a head fake and then double clutch on a game tying three.

Perfect 6th man material if things were normal here.
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Hes a good shooter. Period. His handle is weak and hes a major liability on D. I have no idea why anyone thinks Joe is a good pg. Getting hot and making a few 3s doesnt make him a good pg.
 
kcsu said:
A couple of points.

Joe is not a good point guard. His physical limitations ( lack if height, length, foot speed, and quickness) combined with his weak handle make him ill suited to play the 1.
Joe is an excellent shooter who is a natural 2. He should be moving without the Ball, being run through screens ( Cooney like) hunting for shots. He should not be initiating the offense. He isnt an ACC caliber PG. D1 player yes, 2 yes, good 6th man yes. Starting ACC pg. No way

As to Jims press conference after watching it 3 times i actually think that Jim did a good job.
He wasn't overly critical of any player. He was honest and factual. He knows what his teams strengths and weaknesses are and i doubt any coach could do better.
Yes he should have played Symir more ( i expect him to get more pt Starting next game) but that isnt what lost the game. Bottom line i felt JB was spot on.

This team has 3 issues that are hurting us.
1: Benny being farther behind than anticipated .
2: Cole not shooting well.
3: Joes inability to beat pressure.

If even 1 of these 3 get fixed we have a chance of turning things around.

If none improve we will be 500 give or take a few wins.
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Cole is shooting about his career average. So I’m not sure if it’s him not shooting well, especially with more volume.
 
two3zone said:
Cole is shooting about his career average. So I’m not sure if it’s him not shooting well, especially with more volume.
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Cole seems tight. Hes pressing. Joe goes into this weird , im too cool mode every time he is getting his arse handed to him.
Those two have to play better.
 
kcsu said:
Cole seems tight. Hes pressing. Joe goes into this weird , im too cool mode every time he is getting his arse handed to him.
Those two have to play better.
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I just see a slow footed guy who can’t do anything but shoot and he does and misses. He looks like the same guy from Villanova who couldn’t get starter minutes for 3 years even though it’s a system he theoretically would thrive in.
 
djcon57 said:
Joe is absolutely D1, anyone sugggesting otherwise doesn’t know what they are taking about.

He would be a great mid major, A10 level PG.

he’s a great microwave type player for any good team out there in any conference at any level.

But when people analyze whether he’s has good games, they look at his points and offense. Ignoring that his defense is simply abysmal as a high level. So when he has bad games on offense like yesterday, he’s literally a negative yet he wouldn’t come off the floor.
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Yet his DBPM is better than Sy and Buddy.
 
hoopsupstate said:
If you told me before the season that Benny wasn’t going to be a major contributor I would have said we would be very average. I thought he would bring something that no one else on the team could bring.
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I also think the lack of an offensive scoring system is taking away his play making ability. There’s a short leash, no trust from the coach and Benny is making mistakes as well. It’s just not a good situation for Benny to be honest
 
djcon57 said:
Who said they are good at defense? They are all bad. Hence our record.

that was your big gotcha? Yikes
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Yet who takes the biggest beating here?
 
I hate how JB selects certain players pick apart during the press conferences. I think great coaches like Jay Wright will talk about the team and things they didn't do as a team. How about questioning the team the coach put together? We all knew our defense would be terrible this season with that starting lineup. I know they won the boards on Sat but overall a bad rebounding team. Or maybe a good question might be how SU (the coach) is so predictable so as a opposing coach it's a simple game plan? He rarely or never takes accountability for a loss...easier to blame a 19 year old. I'm surprised it wasn't Benny's fault again.
 
rrlbees said:
Yet who takes the biggest beating here?
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A) Symir doesn’t play...if he played 30 mins a a game and had the same data, he would take a same beating

B) buddy scores 20 a game and carries our offense and got us to the sweet 16 last year

C) comments about him are deleted because if you question his minutes you are accused of suggesting nepotism
 
Geode said:
Am I the only one who is more and more impressed with JE every time I see him play? He is creating his own offensive opportunities now on a regular basis.

I really like the kid.
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Terrific player. Jimmy missed all those FT's, although JB did call him out on it.
 
I remember when I told JB about the metrics for defense last year and he was like the people doing the ratings don’t know where the defenders are supposed and he thought Joe and Buddy weren’t the problem but Alan and Quincy were.
It was funny.
Now our defense has gotten worse without those 2 but the problem isn’t the fact we have 2 guards at the top that can’t keep the ball out of the middle but this HC didn’t think we needed guard personnel.

We got worse in the backcourt and it’s not a coincidence the defense is worse because the better forwards for the defense are gone.
 
djcon57 said:
A) Symir doesn’t play...if he played 30 mins a a game and had the same data, he would take a same beating

B) buddy scores 20 a game and carries our offense and got us to the sweet 16 last year

C) comments about him are deleted because if you question his minutes you are accused of suggesting nepotism
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When does how much you play impacts BPM? And I don’t mean playing walk on mins. Buddy is our best player but his D and OBPM are lower than Joe. So what’s that say? You live by BPM. No clue what C means.
 
GENESEO1983 said:
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Joe belongs in the P5. He is a good player. He is not a P5 PG.
He is a combo SG who could help a PG with the ball.
Making him our PG undisputed for 2 of his 3 years isn’t smart but our HC wants to tell morons like ME* he is right and the fans are wrong when it’s beyond obvious the kid is out of position.
However we can’t play him 10-15 minutes at SG each game because it’s just not in the cards.

When we had last year’s personnel it should have been like it was when we had Waiters/Triche/Jardine minutes wise but that wasn’t happening so we lost one third of that rotation and replaced it with a backup who is fine playing low minutes.

Our current backcourt has tenure. It’s not changing.
 
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Alsacs said:
Joe belongs in the P5. He is a good player. He is not a P5 PG.
He is a combo SG who could help a PG with the ball.
Making him our PG undisputed for 2 of his 3 years isn’t smart but our HC wants to tell morons like him he is right and the fans are wrong when it’s beyond obvious the kid is out of position.
However we can’t play him 10-15 minutes at SG each game because it’s just not in the cards.

When we had last year’s personnel it should have been like it was when we had Waiters/Triche/Jardine minutes wise but that wasn’t happening so we lost one third of that rotation and replaced it with a backup who is fine playing low minutes.

Our current backcourt has tenure. It’s not changing.
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And until it does we will continue to struggle
 
Alsacs said:
Joe belongs in the P5. He is a good player. He is not a P5 PG.
He is a combo SG who could help a PG with the ball.
Making him our PG undisputed for 2 of his 3 years isn’t smart but our HC wants to tell morons like him he is right and the fans are wrong when it’s beyond obvious the kid is out of position.
However we can’t play him 10-15 minutes at SG each game because it’s just not in the cards.

When we had last year’s personnel it should have been like it was when we had Waiters/Triche/Jardine minutes wise but that wasn’t happening so we lost one third of that rotation and replaced it with a backup who is fine playing low minutes.

Our current backcourt has tenure. It’s not changing.
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Given the performance of our forwards….that’s another reason to give the 3 guard lineup a shot.
 
Alsacs said:
I remember when I told JB about the metrics for defense last year and he was like the people doing the ratings don’t know where the defenders are supposed and he thought Joe and Buddy weren’t the problem but Alan and Quincy were.
It was funny.
Now our defense has gotten worse without those 2 but the problem isn’t the fact we have 2 guards at the top that can’t keep the ball out of the middle but this HC didn’t think we needed guard personnel.

We got worse in the backcourt and it’s not a coincidence the defense is worse because the better forwards for the defense are gone.
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Yup you know much much more than JB and them losing to Virginia proves
 
mickbird44 said:
Yup you know much much more than JB and them losing to Virginia proves
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Yeah you totally got me.
Good job good effort.
Metrics were used to defend playing time when those metrics were said last year the HC said they weren’t accurate but you totally got me.
I have never been burned so badly congrats. I just got powned and don’t know how I will continue.
 
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