Anybody still disagree that Jerami Grant

[OttoMets]

Wallace? Don't see it.

If we're going for a player comparison (style of play, not career accomplishments, of course), I see a taller, more athletic Lawrence Moten.

 

[jekelish]

I don't really see the Wallace comparison, mainly because Wallace, in his early days, was purely a low post/15 feet and in scorer. Grant is a slasher. I compare him more to Hakim, but even that's not very accurate, since Jerami is already much more perimeter oriented than Hak ever was.

I think Jerami Grant is just Jerami Grant.

 

[shermstheman]

Can you imagine where we'd be had Grant gone to Rutgers? Yikes.

Now really, who could Cuse REALLY want that would go to Rutgers? You show your character flaws by opting to hoop there

 

[jordoo]

Grant is an excellenmt young player with no limit as to whaty he can become. I love his attitude even on his clunker at Pitt. Just kept playing and trying to make plays. He seems to learn quickly and improve as he gets more time. I am very excited to see him play the rest of this season and next after that who knows.

That being said Donte probably had one of the 10 most productive seasons a freshman forward ever has at SU and he did it on one of the least experienced teams we have ever had. There was no other shooting threat after Devo went down and his percentages really suffered because of it. Look at teh rest of his stats though. He rebounded very well, got probably 1.5 blocks a game and somewhere close to 3 assists.

 

[mayselc]

I think Grant is a combination of D-Nich and Warrick.

If he can extend his range a bit and add 10 pounds of muscle, he could be All-ACC next year.

 

[IthacaMatt]

Folks, John Wallace was an all-timer that carried the program to a Final Four when it should have been crippled.

I like Grant a lot and am really excited about his future, but let the guy accomplish a little more than being named a starter by circumstance and playing pretty well against a couple of Big East teams.

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Grant isn't a senior yet. He's a freshman. And if you look at his game, he has all the same tools Wallace had. As a frosh, John was still skinny and got pushed around a bit. We needed him more than we needed Grant (until recently). John was good for 11 points and 7 rebounds as a frosh.

What we saw from Grant last night is the kind of contributions we got from the young John Wallace - at least in my opinion. I see a lot of Wallace's game in the young Mr. Grant. Give him time; he will be a terrific player for us.

 

[jordoo]

I think Wallace was a better rebounder out of the gate and Grant has a better perimeter game out of the gate but I can certainly see why you would make the comparison.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

Grant isn't a senior yet. He's a freshman. And if you look at his game, he has all the same tools Wallace had. As a frosh, John was still skinny and got pushed around a bit. We needed him more than we needed Grant (until recently). John was good for 11 points and 7 rebounds as a frosh.

What we saw from Grant last night is the kind of contributions we got from the young John Wallace - at least in my opinion. I see a lot of Wallace's game in the young Mr. Grant. Give him time; he will be a terrific player for us.

Yeah, I think he's on a good trajectory, I'm just saying, at the same stage Wallace averaged 11 and 7 over a whole season. Grant gives us that on his best games right now.

 

[jvbj01]

Given his athleticism and potential there is a possibility that Grant is the one to leave after this season, not DC2 nor Rak.

I think it would be a foolish decision. His parents are not poor, therefore I do not think they would advise him to leave. He is way too frail and he knows this. I don't think there is a chance that he leaves. I do think that MCW might think he is ready to make the jump. He surely could use more seasoning. Tag being said, if only Brandon and Southerland leave, there will be a serious stockpile of talent on the bench. Hopefully, there are a few that do not mind red shirting.

 

[jordoo]

I hope Jerami loves college sooooo much that he wants to stay for 4 years and get a couple of Na..... I mean get his diploma.

 

[Sgt Cuse]

Grant isn't a senior yet. He's a freshman. And if you look at his game, he has all the same tools Wallace had. As a frosh, John was still skinny and got pushed around a bit. We needed him more than we needed Grant (until recently). John was good for 11 points and 7 rebounds as a frosh.

What we saw from Grant last night is the kind of contributions we got from the young John Wallace - at least in my opinion. I see a lot of Wallace's game in the young Mr. Grant. Give him time; he will be a terrific player for us.

Not only do they have game similarities, but to me they are both very likable from an SU fan perspective.

JW came to the program knowing full well that it was on probation. He came in sacraficing the NCAAT experience for a couple of years. To me, that makes the kid special.

JG was a top 50 kid who came to SU while there were upperclassmen ahead of him for playing time. He came into a situation that looked to most people like he was going to have to wait his turn. Even if you play a lot of people being the 4th forward would not give you many minutes. This delay of gratification is rare among the top players. Easy kid to root for.

 

[Eric15]

Given his athleticism and potential there is a possibility that Grant is the one to leave after this season, not DC2 nor Rak.

I think Jerami Grant can and should start for the NBA All-Star Team right now.

 

[mark79]

I will get shot and ridiculed for this, but I see a poor mans DC in him. Not as tall and maybe not as talented, but he brings quite a few of the same skill-sets regarding rebounding, shot blocking, and a nice ability to put the ball on the floor a little and hit a 15 footer for you as we'll. I think he's DARN good. With some more strength and confidence watch out.

Now he's not as good as DC was by any stretch if the imagination but he has some of the same skills.

 

[realorange]

You are completely misreading whatever you saw. I can't imagine any player would be thinking that, in the moment in a back and forth dog fight game with a conference opponent. Secondly, I suspect Dirty would be happy if he gets the opportunity to play again and probably isn't even thinking about role or number of minutes at the moment. Third, it is clear that we need the threat of his outside shooting in the lineup. If he returns I think there will be a relatively even rotation among CJ (30), Dirty (30) and Grant (25) with minutes rising or falling depending on opponent and who is bringing it that night. If anything Grant's emergence will relegate Xmas entirely to the 5 even upon Coleman's return which was really happening in any case.

I'm not arguing that JS will get his share of minutes if he comes back. If you could have seen the hangdog look with his head down towards the floor, you'd understand what I was talking about.

 

[heresjohnny88]

It's not a crazy comparison. I remember watching JW as a frosh, and you just knew that he had "the look." Averaged 11 and 7, which JG could easily average if given 30 minutes a game for a full season. The problem is, we'll most likely never see JG as a Senior, so we'll probably miss out on a spectacular 22 and 8 type season that JW had. More likely scenario is that JG averages something like 15 and 8 next year, and leaves.

 

[SWC75]

Jeremy as a freshman, (so far- we'll see what it looks like at the end of a season):
17.2m 12.7p 7.2r 1.2a 1.2s 1.4b 23.7+ 4.89mfg 2.2mft 1.8to 3.6pf 12.4- = 11.3np 5.7oe 5.6fg

Some possible comparisons as freshmen:
Rafael Addison 18.5m 18.3p 6.9r 2.6a 1.3s 0.7b 29.8+ 7.1mfg 1.5mft 2.8to 4.6pf 16.0- = 13.8np 9.7oe 4.1fg
Wendell Alexis 16.0m 14.2p 11.1r 1.2a 1.3s 1.2b 29.0+ 4.9mfg 1.3mft 2.3to 5.8pf 14.3- = 14.7np 8.0oe 6.7fg
Derrick Coleman 30.6m 15.6p 11.4r 1.5a 1.5s 2.3b 32.3+ 4.7mfg 1.7mft 2.3to 4.1pf 12.8- = 19.5NP 8.1OE 11.4FG
Billy Owens 32.0m 16.3p 8.7r 3.7a 2.1s 1.2b 32.0+ 5.9mfg 1.7mft 2.5to 3.6pf 13.7- = 18.3NP 8.7OE 9.6FG
John Wallace 29.8m 14.9p 10.2r 1.8a 1.6s 1.8b +30.3 5.4mfg 1.1mft 4.3to 3.5pf -14.3 = 16.0NP 8.4OE 7.6FG
Todd Burgan 11.1m 14.6p 7.9r 1.9a 2.1s 0.4b +26.9 5.6mfg 1.3mft 3.1to 6.0pf -16.0 = 10.9NP 7.7OE 3.2FG
I thought of Damone Brown but he didn’t even play 100 minutes as a freshman, which is my cut-off point for figuring these numbers. These are his sophomore numbers:
24.7m 15.4p 8.8r 1.3a 1.4s 1.1b +28.0 6.3mfg 0.7mft 2.1to 4.8pf -13.9 = 14.1NP 8.4OE 5.7FG

Hakim Warrick 17.4m 14.0p 11.0r 1.2a 1.3s 1.4b +28.9 5.0mfg 2.4mft 2.6to 4.7pf -14.7 = 14.2NP 6.6OE 7.6FG

Carmelo Anthony 36.4m 24.4p 11.0r 2.4a 1.7s 0.9b +40.4 10.5mfg 2.2mft 2.4to 2.4pf -17.5 = 22.9NP 11.7OE 11.2FG

Terrence Roberts 7.6m 9.3p 9.0r 0.8a 1.9s 1.7b 22.7+ 6.4mfg 1.9mft 2.7to 7.6pf 18.6- = 4.1NP 1.0OE 3.1FG

Somebody compared him to Demetris Nichols I don’t see it but here goes:
Demetris Nichols 14.2m 9.9p 5.3r 1.4a 1.4s 1.5b 19.5+ 7.2mfg 0.9mft 1.4to 4.3pf 13.8- = 5.7NP 1.8OE 3.9FG

Donte Greene 35.8m 19.8p 8.0r 2.3a 1.4s 1.8b 33.3+ 9.7mfg 1.2mft 2.9to 3.2pf 17.0- = 16.3NP 8.9OE 7.4FG

Rick Jackson 12.9m 11.5p 9.3r 1.7a 1.3s 3.9b 27.7+ 4.1mfg 2.2mft 2.8to 3.9pf 13.0- = 14.7NP 5.2OE 9.5FG

Kris Joseph 12.1m 10.1p 7.1r 1.5a 2.6s 0.7b 22.0+ 5.2mfg 2.7mft 2.4to 3.1pf 13.4- = 8.6NP 2.2OE 6.4FG

James Southerland 2.8m 16.9p 6.6r 2.1a 3.3s 2.9b 31.8+ 9.5mfg 0.8mft 3.3to 2.5pf 16.1- = 15.7NP 6.6OE 9.1FG

CJ Fair 18.6m 13.7p 8.2r 0.9a 1.7s 1.7b 26.2+ 4.6mfg 1.7mft 1.8to 2.6pf 10.7- = 15.5NP 7.4OE 8.1FG

Right now the closest statistical match is probably Todd Burgan but expect Grant’s numbers will be clearly better by season’s end. Who he will most resemble will depend on where he improves the most. Is the going to score a lot more? That might give him number similar to Owens. He’d have to rebound a lot more to be compared to DC, J-Dub or even Hakim. He’d need to block more shots to be compared to others. I suspect he’ll create his own, unique profile.

 

[IthacaMatt]

Jeremy as a freshman, (so far- we'll see what it looks like at the end of a season):
17.2m 12.7p 7.2r 1.2a 1.2s 1.4b 23.7+ 4.89mfg 2.2mft 1.8to 3.6pf 12.4- = 11.3np 5.7oe 5.6fg

Some possible comparisons as freshmen:
Rafael Addison 18.5m 18.3p 6.9r 2.6a 1.3s 0.7b 29.8+ 7.1mfg 1.5mft 2.8to 4.6pf 16.0- = 13.8np 9.7oe 4.1fg
Wendell Alexis 16.0m 14.2p 11.1r 1.2a 1.3s 1.2b 29.0+ 4.9mfg 1.3mft 2.3to 5.8pf 14.3- = 14.7np 8.0oe 6.7fg
Derrick Coleman 30.6m 15.6p 11.4r 1.5a 1.5s 2.3b 32.3+ 4.7mfg 1.7mft 2.3to 4.1pf 12.8- = 19.5NP 8.1OE 11.4FG
Billy Owens 32.0m 16.3p 8.7r 3.7a 2.1s 1.2b 32.0+ 5.9mfg 1.7mft 2.5to 3.6pf 13.7- = 18.3NP 8.7OE 9.6FG
John Wallace 29.8m 14.9p 10.2r 1.8a 1.6s 1.8b +30.3 5.4mfg 1.1mft 4.3to 3.5pf -14.3 = 16.0NP 8.4OE 7.6FG
Todd Burgan 11.1m 14.6p 7.9r 1.9a 2.1s 0.4b +26.9 5.6mfg 1.3mft 3.1to 6.0pf -16.0 = 10.9NP 7.7OE 3.2FG
I thought of Damone Brown but he didn’t even play 100 minutes as a freshman, which is my cut-off point for figuring these numbers. These are his sophomore numbers:
24.7m 15.4p 8.8r 1.3a 1.4s 1.1b +28.0 6.3mfg 0.7mft 2.1to 4.8pf -13.9 = 14.1NP 8.4OE 5.7FG

Hakim Warrick 17.4m 14.0p 11.0r 1.2a 1.3s 1.4b +28.9 5.0mfg 2.4mft 2.6to 4.7pf -14.7 = 14.2NP 6.6OE 7.6FG

Carmelo Anthony 36.4m 24.4p 11.0r 2.4a 1.7s 0.9b +40.4 10.5mfg 2.2mft 2.4to 2.4pf -17.5 = 22.9NP 11.7OE 11.2FG

Terrence Roberts 7.6m 9.3p 9.0r 0.8a 1.9s 1.7b 22.7+ 6.4mfg 1.9mft 2.7to 7.6pf 18.6- = 4.1NP 1.0OE 3.1FG

Somebody compared him to Demetris Nichols I don’t see it but here goes:
Demetris Nichols 14.2m 9.9p 5.3r 1.4a 1.4s 1.5b 19.5+ 7.2mfg 0.9mft 1.4to 4.3pf 13.8- = 5.7NP 1.8OE 3.9FG

Donte Greene 35.8m 19.8p 8.0r 2.3a 1.4s 1.8b 33.3+ 9.7mfg 1.2mft 2.9to 3.2pf 17.0- = 16.3NP 8.9OE 7.4FG

Rick Jackson 12.9m 11.5p 9.3r 1.7a 1.3s 3.9b 27.7+ 4.1mfg 2.2mft 2.8to 3.9pf 13.0- = 14.7NP 5.2OE 9.5FG

Kris Joseph 12.1m 10.1p 7.1r 1.5a 2.6s 0.7b 22.0+ 5.2mfg 2.7mft 2.4to 3.1pf 13.4- = 8.6NP 2.2OE 6.4FG

James Southerland 2.8m 16.9p 6.6r 2.1a 3.3s 2.9b 31.8+ 9.5mfg 0.8mft 3.3to 2.5pf 16.1- = 15.7NP 6.6OE 9.1FG

CJ Fair 18.6m 13.7p 8.2r 0.9a 1.7s 1.7b 26.2+ 4.6mfg 1.7mft 1.8to 2.6pf 10.7- = 15.5NP 7.4OE 8.1FG

Right now the closest statistical match is probably Todd Burgan but expect Grant’s numbers will be clearly better by season’s end. Who he will most resemble will depend on where he improves the most. Is the going to score a lot more? That might give him number similar to Owens. He’d have to rebound a lot more to be compared to DC, J-Dub or even Hakim. He’d need to block more shots to be compared to others. I suspect he’ll create his own, unique profile.

I think a better comparison would be to take Jerami's stats from the last 6 games (Southerland out) and see how that stacks up. I'm not going to do the full monty like you do, SWC, but here are his totals:

Jerami is averaging 33.2 minutes, 9.8 points and 5.5 rebounds per game. Shooting 44.4% from the field and 85.7% from the line (18-21). He's 1 out of 2 from 3 (showing good restraint), and he has 7 blocks, 5 assists, 5 steals and only 6 turnovers in his last 6 games.

 

[SWC75]

I think a better comparison would be to take Jerami's stats from the last 6 games (Southerland out) and see how that stacks up. I'm not going to do the full monty like you do, SWC, but here are his totals:

Jerami is averaging 33.2 minutes, 9.8 points and 5.5 rebounds per game. Shooting 44.4% from the field and 85.7% from the line (18-21). He's 1 out of 2 from 3 (showing good restraint), and he has 7 blocks, 5 assists, 5 steals and only 6 turnovers in his last 6 games.

Believe me, you don't want the Full Monty from me. But I did do Jerami's stats over the last 6 games per 40 minutes and they will shock you:
33.2m 11.9p 6.6r 1.0a 1.0s 1.4b 21.9+ 5.0mfg 0.6mft 1.2to 4.2pf 11.0- = 10.9np 6.3oe 4.6fg

For the 16 games before that:
11.2m 13.6p 7.8r 1.3a 1.3s 1.3b 25.3+ 4.5mfg 4.0mft 2.5to 2.9pf 13.9- = 11.4np 5.1oe 6.3fg

He's not really a better player, (except at the line). He's just playing more.

 

[SaltLakeOrange]

Meh. I'm not a fan of hyperbolic comparisons myself but honestly, does it have to be sacrilegious draw a comparison to JW? I know we all have a soft spot for that team but really, Cippola making a shot against an 8seed is the difference between a career underachiever and an untouchable God.

John Wallace saved this program by attending SU. Without him, we don't recover from probation for another 5-10 years. That said, his play for four years was hardly underwhelming or those of an underachiever. I think JW was one best ever to play at SU and very worthy of being 44.

 

[orange2win]

FG-A 3PTM FT-FTA OF DF TOT PF TP A TO BKS ST MIN

John Wallace Fr. - 2/8/93 vs Georgetown at C. Dome 1-2 0-0 1-1 2 1 3 4 3 0 3 1 0 19

Jeraime Grant Fr. - 2/4/13 vs Notre Dame at C. Dome 6-8 0-0 2-2 0 6 6 4 14 2 1 1 0 40

Sorry, unable to format to make it readable.

 

[Sgt Cuse]

I'm not arguing that JS will get his share of minutes if he comes back. If you could have seen the hangdog look with his head down towards the floor, you'd understand what I was talking about.

Real - why assume the worst? By all previous signs, JS has been a stand up team mate. It seems out of character for him to wish any ill will towards JG.

If I were guessing why he looked crestfallen, I would guess he heard some of those boos from the student section. That would hurt the JS that I have read about.

 

[realorange]

Real - why assume the worst? By all previous signs, JS has been a stand up team mate. It seems out of character for him to wish any ill will towards JG.

If I were guessing why he looked crestfallen, I would guess he heard some of those boos from the student section. That would hurt the JS that I have read about.

This was 2 minutes before the half after Jerami made his fourth basket. Early in the game he'd been smiling and laughing. I didn't indicate he was feeling any ill will towards Jerami. I think he was feeling sorry for himself whatever the reason was.
Take a look at the tape and then tell me what you think.

 

[Capt. Tuttle]

I think Wallace was a better rebounder out of the gate and Grant has a better perimeter game out of the gate but I can certainly see why you would make the comparison.

Also, JW was a SUPERIOR ball handler to JG.

 

[Garbs]

Also, JW was a SUPERIOR ball handler to JG.

no

 

[Capt. Tuttle]

no

Absolutely. JW used to bring the ball up. Did you hear JB yell at Grant in the ND game to give the ball to a guard. Never did that with J Dubs