Ash, Please dont tell me that DM is back to his lack of practice BS

[BORZAK]

True Bees this isnt little league. This is D1 ball. Do you think that Saben sits a kid who doesnt practice well but who is lights out on game day? I played college Bball at a pretty high level and i will tell you that we had two guys who started and where very talented that did not bring it during practice. All of us new these guys were prime time guys and we didnt care. Some kids just like practice. Im not talking about not showing up or completely dogging it. That should show you the bench. Im talking about a guy like Sales who doesnt buy into the DM boy scout bs but brings his A game on Saturdays and sits because he doesnt play the game.

Where? Decade? ps.== Denver is not at a high level

 

[RICuse44]

Notice that Ashton hasn't played since he lost a fumble in Minnesota territory at the end of the 3rd quarter.
Perhaps that has more to do with his lack of playing time.

Whether it's fumbling in a key spot or lack of effort in practice, or perhaps both (poor practice ---> fumble), I'm all for sending the message now.

I would agree with this and would imagine that if the roles were reversed and AAM fumbled in the 4th game he would be on the bench with Ashton playing. Football coaches love ball security. I think they ask for it for Christmas. Just look at Coughlin and the Giants. David Wilson fumbles in game 1. In my opinion, he is the most explosive running back the Giants have had in some time. He finally shows back up on the field last week. 3 entire games with returning kicks alone. And this kid is a #1 draft pick with 1700 yards rushing in college last year. Ashton was a NYS player of the year but then played TE at Milford. I would say he still has a lot of football to learn which is why practice is so important for him.

 

[kuethstheman]

Ashton's fumble and ensuing lack of playing time reminds me of Ismail's freshman year. He got his shirt burned by playing a few snaps early in the season during which he dropped a TD pass (against USC?). Wasn't seen again for quite some time (not sure but I think maybe the rest of the season) even though he was wearing a bandage on one hand.

Maybe DM got that approach from Coach Mac.

 

[bothsocksup]

This post sucks. A rumor with a followup diatribe that only creates drama

 

[ImperialOrange]

I would wait to see if it was only a one game thing before jumping to any conclussions based on message board rumors. I was in the stands wanting to see Broyld on the field as well but in hind sight the coaches were trying to protect a lead and they accomplished that.

We only ran 67 plays on offense. Our starting RB got 10 carries, our 2nd string RB got 10 carries, and the 5 carries that AAM got very well may have been Broyld's IF we were once again playing from behind and needing a playmaker with higher risk/reward vs AAM as a freight train only needing to fall forward and hold onto the ball.

If we come out next week and run 80+ plays and Broyld doesn't see the field then something might be up. It could also be that he's dinged up and we didn't want to risk him.

His demeanor on the sideline certainly looked like a player with his head in the game. He was cheering hard, right behind the coaches at the LOS and in every sideline huddle with the offense. Maybe it was a lesson learned or perhaps there wasn't a lesson to be learned and the game itself (or an injury) dictated him not playing on Friday night?

 

[Capt. Tuttle]

True Bees this isnt little league. This is D1 ball. Do you think that Saben sits a kid who doesnt practice well but who is lights out on game day? I played college Bball at a pretty high level and i will tell you that we had two guys who started and where very talented that did not bring it during practice. All of us new these guys were prime time guys and we didnt care. Some kids just like practice. Im not talking about not showing up or completely dogging it. That should show you the bench. Im talking about a guy like Sales who doesnt buy into the DM boy scout bs but brings his A game on Saturdays and sits because he doesnt play the game.

We don't have any big time players. Nobody is in the league of the guys you mentioned. When we get a great talent, then come back with this argument

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[OrangeDW]

Notice that Ashton hasn't played since he lost a fumble in Minnesota territory at the end of the 3rd quarter.
Perhaps that has more to do with his lack of playing time.

Whether it's fumbling in a key spot or lack of effort in practice, or perhaps both (poor practice ---> fumble), I'm all for sending the message now.

Antwon Bailey fumbled away the Rutgers game in OT. He didn't(and shouldn't) get benched.

If he's a fumbling machine and they don't have confidence in him, that's one thing. But if not, one big fumble shouldn't get someone benched.

 

[SWC75]

I judge what I can see. I don't see practices and I'm not privy to conversations between coaches and players so I can't judge them. I might wonder why somebody isn't playing but I won't announce that the coach made a bad decision in not playing a kid.

 

[PoppyHart]

Why is he being discussed like he's a 5-star recruit? He's a raw talent who might develop into a very good player.

 

[reedny]

DM has already acknowledged that Sales doesn't practice well, but plays well in games. So perhaps something else (besides AB's practice habits) is going on (I'm surmising without inside information).

 

[Chip]

Antwon Bailey fumbled away the Rutgers game in OT. He didn't(and shouldn't) get benched.

If he's a fumbling machine and they don't have confidence in him, that's one thing. But if not, one big fumble shouldn't get someone benched.

I have to assume it's more than one fumble. Nassib's fumble in that game was much worse, and he has more fumbling history.

I hope he sees the field again. We've invested a lot of time including him in the offense, would hate to see that go to waste. I also hope this rumor is false. If it's true, then I would understand why he's not playing.

 

[kcsu]

Where? Decade? ps.== Denver is not at a high level

Borzak at what level did you play college anything? D1 D2?

 

[rmtsu]

Kevin Johnson, DC, Marvin Harrison, Bill Hurley, Rony S, Marcus Sales, Rob Carpenter, I could go on but based on being around this program longer than many have been alive those are just a few.

And in the NFL it was Marvin Harrison's work ethic that separated him from most others, his extra work in practice with Manning stood out for years, and is one of the reasons that he and Manning set records in Indy. Physical ability may help you get by against weaker opponents, but if the work ethic isn't there the overall team result won't be as good. Obviouly there are exceptions but for the most part sports is littered with guys that had superior physical gifts but did not have a good work ethic and it eventually catches up to you. It can be a cancer on a team, other guys figure they don't have to work hard either. And just because a guy may make a few plays in a game, alot of times its the little things that go unnoticed by the fans that the coaches see in a game that a player that doesn't work hard in practice may not do that affects the game overall and can lead to losses.

Some coaches may treat players differently in terms of how many mistakes they may allow one player to make vs another, but if you start allowing players who don't work hard in practice to play its a slippery slope to staying bad. Most of the successful coaches won't tolerate it.

I've been in only successful basketball programs during my playing days, many times without always having superior physical talent on the team, but the work ethic and willingness to put the team and winning above individual glory was the key, commitment to success is only words unless its backed up by work. Occasionally a physical talent comes along that in college can make an impact, (Walter Berry at St. Johns in basketball is a prime example, horrible work ethic in practice that Lou put up with, that if you didn't see it you wouldn't have believed it, but he could dominate a college game, unfortunately in the pros it didn't work). And the same thing happens in college, a guy dominates in high school but doesn't work hard enough in practice and while he may have some success, isn't enough to dominate like he might and help the team out more. We don't have those physically dominating players, so if they don't work hard in practice overall they may hurt the team if they aren't doing the little things.

We don't know what goes on in practice or how Ashton is doing, but if he isn't working hard and doing what Marrone expects, I'd rather he try and nip it in the bud now, nothing worse on a team of mediocre talent to allow a player who may or may not be really good, (especially a guy who wants to be the QB) to not put out in practice and hope on faith that he can get it done in the games.

 

[SmilinBob]

I'm not sure sure it's all or nothing here. I mean it's one thing if a kid is just being completely lackadaisical and another when he just isn't the same player in practice.