Attractiveness of SU HC job

[Eric15]

play potentially in front of 30k a few times/year.

 

[Knicks411]

It just seems to me in the current environment the stuff about how attractive a job based on the old standards is almost irrelevant. If the budget is there (both to pay the head coach as well as the players) basically any job is attractive and if it’s not then it’s not. I hate to be that reductive but…

 

[cusefan88]

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As a kid I saw pretty much every Melo game at the Dome. We were kings and didn't know.

 

[Col. Bleep]

It is all (or almost all) about the Benjamin$$$.

But…the dome isn’t the draw it used to be for players or fans. And unfortunately neither is the Syracuse brand (whatever it may be).

 

[OrangeXtreme]

Brutal job.

The next coach will be under a microscope.

He better get us to the tournament in 2026-27 or he'll be gone before he unpacks.

 

[sufan59]

Brutal job.

The next coach will be under a microscope.

He better get us to the tournament in 2026-27 or he'll be gone before he unpacks.

 

[Cusefan0307]

I think we perceive the job as more attractive than the marketplace rates it. In a lot of ways we are like PSU football: great tradition and fanbase, and high expectations but little patience. I think a lot of current coaches will interview to get a raise and extension but ultimately the job is most attractive to somebody at Josh Pastner’s level, which is a caliber of coach we don’t want to stoop to. Hopefully wildhack can pull a rabbit out of his hat.

Some of you are so scared someone else can win here besides Boeheim. Hodgson would take the job today. He’s better than Pastner.

 

[LAorange44]

Don’t worry. Indiana has only gone through 6 coaches and an interim trying to recapture the magic of their hall of famer.

Brutal job.

The next coach will be under a microscope.

He better get us to the tournament in 2026-27 or he'll be gone before he unpacks

 

[cusefan88]

Don’t worry. Indiana has only gone through 6 coaches and an interim trying to recapture the magic of their hall of famer.

Crazy to think Kelvin Sampson went out with stuff nobody would bat an eye at today.

 

[Eric15]

Don’t worry. Indiana has only gone through 6 coaches and an interim trying to recapture the magic of their hall of famer.

Ironically, their best chance at a national title post-Knight was 2013 when they were a 1 seed, and we dominated them in the Sweet 16.

 

[LAorange44]

Crazy to think Kelvin Sampson went out with stuff nobody would bat an eye at today.

Also crazy he was doing very well there from a winning percentage standpoint when he got the boot. I remember it happening but must be honest I wasn’t following IU closely at the time. Suffice it to say we could be wandering in the desert for a long time If wildhack does not get this hire right. I’m sure Indiana fancies itself one of the best jobs in the country.

 

[LAorange44]

Ironically, their best chance at a national title post-Knight was 2013 when they were a 1 seed, and we dominated them in the Sweet 16.

Also funny red and crean have similar win percentages

 

[FloridaCuse]

Of course it is! Discussion to the contrary is mere noise. (And SU fans showing our usual pessimism.)

Think positive!

 

[Scooch]

Personally, I have serious reservations of who we can attract. In this new world, NIL is priority #1 #2 and #3 and a distant 4th is facilities.

Our NIL lagged behind, the budget was there this year, but 3 years from now, will you be able to build a competitor with a $8-9 million roster? I don’t think so personally.

Facilities wise, the melo center is out dated. There’s no other way around it. It needs a bit of a face lift and some new bells and whistles, for example, a recovery center like Illinois. Some schools even have a portable gym that travels to away games. You think our admin is going to green light something like that? Again, I don’t think so.

we need to commit $13-15 mil for NIL without sacrificing football while also investing in facilities like the Melo.

I haven’t even mentioned a salary pool for assistants.

Don’t mean to be a Debbie downer but in this new world, nothing matters but $$$$$$$ and for a university that has cried poor for generations, I don’t see that changing.

I’m an optimist and think it’s a very attractive job. However, I agree with your concerns.

This isn’t rocket science. SU needs to fund hoops like it’s serious about being a premiere program. That means changing the culture on the Hill so that everyone - from the Chancellor to the BOT and everyone in the AD - fully understands that we have a professional basketball team on campus. It means staffing the fundraising group appropriately with folks who are experienced in that field.

The folks I’ve come across in that group over the years are… fine. We need much better than that. We need to stop acting like a university and start acting like a professional franchise when it comes to revenue generation.

SU has plenty of well-off alums and there are lots of corporations in CNY who benefit from a strong hoops program. The school needs to shake those trees incessantly.

Do that and we’ll be fine. Don’t and we’ll settle into putting forth an illusion of competitiveness.

 

[Sherman20]

Dumbest argument ever that always pops up here. By this logic Miami, USC and Arizona State would have been a powerhouse for decades.

Who wants to live in storrs, flint, Ames, Lubbock, Iowa City, Omaha, Tuscaloosa, Little Rock, Bloomington and Waco. I mean I could go on. Those are all teams in the top 30.

I second this. This argument is such garbage. Add Lansing Michigan, Stillwater and Norman Oklahoma, Spokane Washington, Champaign-Urbana Illinois, and on and on to the list.

 

[Brooky03]

I hate this argument. Tons of college towns are in the middle of nowhere and they're WAY further away from cool metro areas than Syracuse is.

The middle of nowhere and warm.

 

[Bayside44]

I second this. This argument is such garbage. Add Lansing Michigan, Stillwater and Norman Oklahoma, Spokane Washington, Champaign-Urbana Illinois, and on and on to the list.

Yeah agreed. Guys work, eat well, golf, and live in a nice oversized house with likeminded neighbors. No coach is doing much else.

 

[Sherman20]

Some of you are so scared someone else can win here besides Boeheim. Hodgson would take the job today. He’s better than Pastner.

The Pastner example is laughable. The problem with this board is that not enough folks pay close enough attention to college basketball at large and certainly don’t know enough about coaches at other schools, up and coming coaches, etc. If Red is fired after the season, we will be fine and will hire an up and coming coach and give him the resources to succeed.

 

[Briancuse]

I second this. This argument is such garbage. Add Lansing Michigan, Stillwater and Norman Oklahoma, Spokane Washington, Champaign-Urbana Illinois, and on and on to the list.

Yup, very lame argument. Miami usc and asu campuses are literally heaven on earth, those three have won next to nothing in bball.

 

[Brooky03]

Dumbest argument ever that always pops up here. By this logic Miami, USC and Arizona State would have been a powerhouse for decades.

Who wants to live in storrs, flint, Ames, Lubbock, Iowa City, Omaha, Tuscaloosa, Little Rock, Bloomington and Waco. I mean I could go on. Those are all teams in the top 30.

You realize your logic doesn’t follow the logic of my argument, right? My argument wasn’t in the ballpark of an argument that nice areas are guaranteed good coaches.

Syracuse is, objectively, uniquely, not a pleasant city relative to many of the cities/towns you cherry picked. The weather is worse than most of those and NYC is hardly a day trip. Millionaire coaches can vacation in nice places; they’re stuck here in-season. In-season is when Syracuse is at its worst.

To pretend coaches, likely with families, wouldn’t consider the weather or overall economic attractiveness of a city is odd and small minded.

 

[Brooky03]

Yup, very lame argument. Miami usc and asu campuses are literally heaven on earth, those three have won next to nothing in bball.

Why would nice places be guaranteed good coaches?

 

[Brooky03]

I second this. This argument is such garbage. Add Lansing Michigan, Stillwater and Norman Oklahoma, Spokane Washington, Champaign-Urbana Illinois, and on and on to the list.

So no coaches would ever consider the weather or economy of the city they might move to for work?

 

[General20]

It just seems to me in the current environment the stuff about how attractive a job based on the old standards is almost irrelevant. If the budget is there (both to pay the head coach as well as the players) basically any job is attractive and if it’s not then it’s not. I hate to be that reductive but…

This topic gets discussed a lot and I always find it hilarious when historic wins and attendance and things like that come up. The most important factor in any job is how much they pay. Other things matter too, but without knowing how much SU wants to pay its an irrelevant discussion.

 

[Scooch]

The middle of nowhere and warm.

Take the L, man.

 

[Scooch]

This topic gets discussed a lot and I always find it hilarious when historic wins and attendance and things like that come up. The most important factor in any job is how much they pay. Other things matter too, but without knowing how much SU wants to pay its an irrelevant discussion.

Pay is critical but it’s also a sliding scale. Depends on whether a school is targeting an up and coming mid major HC, or trying to pry one away from a P5 school.

Attendance is a proxy for fan interest, which is a proxy for funding resources.