Attractiveness of SU HC job

[Brooky03]

Take the L, man.

What L?

 

[Cusefan0307]

You realize your logic doesn’t follow the logic of my argument, right? My argument wasn’t in the ballpark of an argument that nice areas are guaranteed good coaches.

Syracuse is, objectively, uniquely, not a pleasant city relative to many of the cities/towns you cherry picked. The weather is worse than most of those and NYC is hardly a day trip. Millionaire coaches can vacation in nice places; they’re stuck here in-season. In-season is when Syracuse is at its worst.

To pretend coaches, likely with families, wouldn’t consider the weather or overall economic attractiveness of a city is odd and small minded.

It’s a stupid argument and I stand by it. It’s been repeated here over the years who swear the only
person who could solve anything here was Boeheim.

 

[Brooky03]

It’s a stupid argument and I stand by it. It’s been repeated here over the years who swear the only
person who could solve anything here was Boeheim.

As not one of those people, I think it makes sense to say a coach would care about the location, weather, taxes, etc. of the place they’re moving to and some places, like struggling Syracuse, NY, are less attractive than others.

It’s well documented that some professional athletes have avoided NY teams in free agency because of taxes, and that’s for teams that are actually close to NYC. It’s not a stretch to say coaches we’ll be bidding on would put location in the con column of a Syracuse offer.

 

[tptcuse]

As not one of those people, I think it makes sense to say a coach would care about the location, weather, taxes, etc. of the place they’re moving to and some places, like struggling Syracuse, NY, are less attractive than others.

It’s well documented that some professional athletes have avoided NY teams in free agency because of taxes, and that’s for teams that are actually close to NYC. It’s not a stretch to say coaches we’ll be bidding on would put location in the con column of a Syracuse offer.

Syracuse is one of the most affordable cities of its size in the country.

 

[Brooky03]

Syracuse is one of the most affordable cities of its size in the country.

Which means next to nothing for a millionaire or the income tax situation for them. It makes very little difference in the size of their mansion.

I like what we get for our tax dollars in NY. A millionaire, contributing a heck of a lot larger percentage than I, probably does not.

 

[Cusefan0307]

As not one of those people, I think it makes sense to say a coach would care about the location, weather, taxes, etc. of the place they’re moving to and some places, like struggling Syracuse, NY, are less attractive than others.

It’s well documented that some professional athletes have avoided NY teams in free agency because of taxes, and that’s for teams that are actually close to NYC. It’s not a stretch to say coaches we’ll be bidding on would put location in the con column of a Syracuse offer.

Where do you live? Cause it obviously isn’t here. Your view is about 20 years outdated. By this logic all of the tech firms that have moved here or planned to move here would have moved to flint over Syracuse.

And if you do live here your cynicism is insufferable and I have no time for people like you.

 

[Brooky03]

Where do you live? Cause it obviously isn’t here. Your view is about 20 years outdated. By this logic all of the tech firms that have moved here or planned to move here would have moved to flint over Syracuse.

And if you do live here your cynicism is insufferable and I have no time for people like you.

I grew up about 40 minutes outside of Syracuse (so trips to Cuse were routine) and lived in Baldwinsville and Liverpool for 5 years after college. I’ve lived in Rochester for the last 6 years. I have family in Syracuse who I visit regularly.

Nobody would consider Syracuse to be on any kind of ‘come up’ as much as we might wish it were.

 

[Cusefan0307]

I grew up about 40 minutes outside of Syracuse (so trips to Cuse were routine) and lived in Baldwinsville and Liverpool for 5 years after college. I’ve lived in Rochester for the last 6 years. I have family in Syracuse who I visit regularly.

Nobody would consider Syracuse to be on any kind of ‘come up’ as much as we might wish it were.

I disagree with you across the board and people like who think this way are the biggest impediment everything locally.

 

[Brooky03]

I disagree with you across the board and people like who think this way are the biggest impediment everything locally.

That’s okay.

For the record, I like Syracuse and prefer it to Rochester.

 

[Briancuse]

So no coaches would ever consider the weather or economy of the city they might move to for work?

Its not everything. Why are all those programs not winning, if it was all about going to a warm weather place?

 

[Brooky03]

Its not everything. Why are all those programs not winning, if it was all about going to a warm weather place?

It is not everything. Correct. I would never imply it is.

 

[phsyra]

Dumbest argument ever that always pops up here. By this logic Miami, USC and Arizona State would have been a powerhouse for decades.

Who wants to live in storrs, flint, Ames, Lubbock, Iowa City, Omaha, Tuscaloosa, Little Rock, Bloomington and Waco. I mean I could go on. Those are all teams in the top 30.

Not that dumb. The weather of the place you live and work can definitely have an impact on whether or not you like the job. Its not everything but its something.

 

[Sherman20]

So no coaches would ever consider the weather or economy of the city they might move to for work?

Your argument is nonsense. Ames, Bloomington, Lansing, Iowa City, Omaha, West Lafayette, and most of the Midwest Big 10 schools also have harsh winters and are even colder. Yes, Syracuse gets more snow. Big whoop. Central New York is way more pleasant than much of the flat Midwest in spring, summer and fall, imo, and I don’t even live there anymore. The local economy? What does that have to do with anything? But also, how do you know Syracuse has a worse economy than any of those other cities? You’re grasping at straws.

 

[phsyra]

Your argument is nonsense. Ames, Bloomington, Lansing, Iowa City, Omaha, West Lafayette, and most of the Midwest Big 10 schools also have harsh winters and are even colder in winter. Yes, Syracuse gets more snow. Big whoop. Central New York is way more pleasant than much of the flat Midwest, imo, and I don’t even live there anymore. The local economy? What does that have to do with anything? But also, how do you know Syracuse has a worse economy than any of those other cities? You’re grasping at straws.

Syracuse weather is worse than midwest weather because of lake effect snow.

 

[Cusefan0307]

Syracuse weather is worse than midwest weather because of lake effect snow.

It’s not Fulton, Mexico, Oswego, or Pulaski. This will be the second time in the last 7 years we’ve had over 100 inches of snow.

 

[Knicks411]

This topic gets discussed a lot and I always find it hilarious when historic wins and attendance and things like that come up. The most important factor in any job is how much they pay. Other things matter too, but without knowing how much SU wants to pay its an irrelevant discussion.

You don't think someone born in 2007 should be impressed we won a lot of games in the 80s???

 

[Knicks411]

It’s not Fulton, Mexico, Oswego, or Pulaski. This will be the second time in the last 7 years we’ve had over 100 inches of snow.

I honestly have no idea if thats supposed to be a positive or not!

 

[EnviroSciGuy]

Syracuse weather is worse than midwest weather because of lake effect snow.

Many of those other places are actually colder, not to mention far more bleak and depressing. The snow actually dresses things up.

 

[CuseFaninVT]

007’s post in the Autry thread about the attractiveness of the SU job probably warrants its own thread. This hasn’t been an “open” job since the 1970s. Where does it objectively rank?

Pros

• Top five program in wins all time
• top tier basketball conference
• Prestigious basketball brand (even despite the last decade, the basketball brand ranks highly)
• Close to a lot of talent (NY produces a lot of quality bball players unlike football)
• Passionate fan base with huge home crowds
• Don’t have to follow a legend - expectations are tempered

Cons

• ACC ranks behind SEC and Big Ten in distro and that’s clearly had an impact on the conference as a whole
• big spending focus at school on football instead

Unclear

• NIL budget
• Salary for HC and assistants
• Facilities - how does Melo Center compare relatively to other places? Does it matter vs. NIL?

Objectively seems like a top 25 opening and one of the better ones in the ACC despite recent history no?

You mention it in both the pro and con but is the ACC a declining conference that can still attract top tier talent?

 

[AZOrange]

To me the only real factors are the ones you have as “unclear”. The rest are irrelevant in today’s game

 

[Brooky03]

Your argument is nonsense. Ames, Bloomington, Lansing, Iowa City, Omaha, West Lafayette, and most of the Midwest Big 10 schools also have harsh winters and are even colder. Yes, Syracuse gets more snow. Big whoop. Central New York is way more pleasant than much of the flat Midwest in spring, summer and fall, imo, and I don’t even live there anymore. The local economy? What does that have to do with anything? But also, how do you know Syracuse has a worse economy than any of those other cities? You’re grasping at straws.

My argument never approached ‘Unpleasant cities can’t get good coaches.’

What do those cities have to do with it? Teams in those cities doing well doesn’t counter the idea that a not insignificant number of high-level coaches won’t want to live in Syracuse, NY or a place like it.

You say I’m grasping at straws. I’m not sure how that’s so with a, I presumed, uncontroversial point.

 

[Brooky03]

Your argument is nonsense. Ames, Bloomington, Lansing, Iowa City, Omaha, West Lafayette, and most of the Midwest Big 10 schools also have harsh winters and are even colder. Yes, Syracuse gets more snow. Big whoop. Central New York is way more pleasant than much of the flat Midwest in spring, summer and fall, imo, and I don’t even live there anymore. The local economy? What does that have to do with anything? But also, how do you know Syracuse has a worse economy than any of those other cities? You’re grasping at straws.

This is tangential to the point but, of the cities you specifically listed, there is I think 1 example of a big hire, depending if we’re going Nebraska (Lincoln) or Creighton, the rest being internal promotions or hires from mid majors (and not necessarily the cream of the midmajor crop). Some of those hires include literal hometown kids or kids from a city or two over.

To ground this with my original point, this might support the idea that a city like Syracuse isn’t choosing from a full list of candidates within a certain price range. I do think Syracuse can land a guy from NY/the northeast and do think we can hire most midmajor coaches.

 

[JonB]

Dumbest argument ever that always pops up here. By this logic Miami, USC and Arizona State would have been a powerhouse for decades.

Who wants to live in storrs, flint, Ames, Lubbock, Iowa City, Omaha, Tuscaloosa, Little Rock, Bloomington and Waco. I mean I could go on. Those are all teams in the top 30.

Top 15 job, without question. Whoever takes it is a local celebrity. As far as the weather, basketball coaches are not playing basketball outdoors so it’s a non-factor. It’s a bonus if they like to do any outdoor activities IMO. Slimy show offs like Dick Pitino wouldn’t come because there aren’t enough places to buy escorts and get plastic surgery, but upstate NY doesn’t want a guy like him or Calamari anyways. Let’s not forget even in losing seasons this is a rabid fan base.

 

[UnknownOrange]

Dumbest argument ever that always pops up here. By this logic Miami, USC and Arizona State would have been a powerhouse for decades.

Who wants to live in storrs, flint, Ames, Lubbock, Iowa City, Omaha, Tuscaloosa, Little Rock, Bloomington and Waco. I mean I could go on. Those are all teams in the top 30.

Imagine living in any of those places, including Syracuse, as a multimillionaire. What a dream!! A Syracuse coach getting 3 million or UCLAs coach getting 3 million is a very different three million

 

[Owens guy]

Depending on what other top college jobs are open after the season, Syracuse should be able to get one of, if not the best, top rising mid major level coaches.

I hope that we don’t only look at mid major coaches and wrongly assume that all of the better, major coaches could not be had.