Auburn fires Gus Malzahn / hires Bryan Harsin

[TheCusian]

And I’ll be honest, during the season I was calling for Dinos head but those were def H0T Takes out of frustration.

I do think really Dino deserves another year but his leash is becoming much much much shorter IMO

that's why some of us were saying not to get too worked up this year

 

[orangecuse]

I think you're forgetting that there is a sizable contingent of people who think gambling at the $5000 table is kind of nuts. I don't gamble at all because my job is to provide for best for those who depend on me. You can certainly say that it's convenient and that if Syracuse had the money they'd lose perspective... but maybe not. We've won NC here in many sports without losing our damn minds like an SEC school.

It's not the broader point. I could've used a different number of analogies, I'm also not a gambler. But whether it's gambling or something else, it's about simply having the means to do so without it having any significant financial impact of one's circumstances. And, with that being the case, it's all relative in regards to perspective, not "losing" perspective.

 

[Cuse69]

I think it's easy to make blanket statements without looking at context. We had an OC that didn't get to coach his guys until August then lost his starting QB... then his second string QB... then his third string QB. He had a FB playing LG until the end of the season. The offense looked more functional at the end of the year despite having to play the previously mentioned 2nd string QB that we all know lacks the arm talent to do what the offense needs.

Are there criticisms tombe made? Sure. The single biggest is that Dino missed when he hired Martin to be QB coach. That seemed to hurt QB recruting and development. He has hopefully fixed that with Gilbert, but as already mentioned, he didn't get to coach anyone until August.

LSU has been an established elite program for over a decade that went from winning a NC last year to 4 wins this year, but somehow beating Florida makes that ok.

You are aware of the schools who hired new HC's and were able to implement there schemes with new OC's and DC's, in the SEC, gilbert isn't exactly kliff kingsbury super kid either. SS had a ton of injuries his last two years and was CANNED, injuries played a role for sure but they are an excuse for 1-10 and in CFB there are no excuses for 1-10

 

[Frozen]

On the subject of the SEC hiring and firing coaches on a whim, check out this list of SEC head coaches who have come and gone since Bama hired Nick Saban.

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[IthacaBarrel]

You are aware of the schools who hired new HC's and were able to implement there schemes with new OC's and DC's, in the SEC, gilbert isn't exactly kliff kingsbury super kid either. SS had a ton of injuries his last two years and was CANNED, injuries played a role for sure but they are an excuse for 1-10 and in CFB there are no excuses for 1-10

So even if there were no excuses it doesn't change anything. He's not going anywhere and will be coaching again next year. Some call them excuses some see the logic behind a 1-10 season and why it went so poorly. Just the way you prefer to look at it. I just don't understand pounding fist " NO EXCUSES!!!" who cares?

 

[Cuse69]

So even if there were no excuses it doesn't change anything. He's not going anywhere and will be coaching again next year. Some call them excuses some see the logic behind a 1-10 season and why it went so poorly. Just the way you prefer to look at it. I just don't understand pounding fist " NO EXCUSES!!!" who cares?

I'm fully aware he'll be back next season, how hard it is to own up to it and admit we did a bad job we have things to fix and work on, I don't make a fraction of what dino makes yet it seems at my job I hold and am held more accountable than dino. Every team had adversity one way or the other, all my point it to own up to his mistakes and get better. I still think dino can have "success" 6 wins and making bowls are success here and I'll go to my grave believing the way the CFB landscape is now that dino and any other coach we have are capable of making bowl games.

 

[sufandu]

You are aware of the schools who hired new HC's and were able to implement there schemes with new OC's and DC's, in the SEC, gilbert isn't exactly kliff kingsbury super kid either. SS had a ton of injuries his last two years and was CANNED, injuries played a role for sure but they are an excuse for 1-10 and in CFB there are no excuses for 1-10

You're aware of how much more restrictive NY was this summer than SEC states with regards to social distancing? How many of those SEC schools had player lead practices in the summer while our guys were stuck at home?

 

[NineOneSeven]

per Footballscoop, he gets the full amount, regardless of his next job.

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Incredible. So much money. One month and 10 mill? Can just take all the time in the world to find the next gig if he wants, as long as he’s even barely competent with money.

 

[Bulldog04]

Seriously get fired and get half of what he’s owed in 30 days. I would just take a month long nap on my money

 

[IthacaBarrel]

I'm fully aware he'll be back next season, how hard it is to own up to it and admit we did a bad job we have things to fix and work on, I don't make a fraction of what dino makes yet it seems at my job I hold and am held more accountable than dino. Every team had adversity one way or the other, all my point it to own up to his mistakes and get better. I still think dino can have "success" 6 wins and making bowls are success here and I'll go to my grave believing the way the CFB landscape is now that dino and any other coach we have are capable of making bowl games.

I certainly understand what you are saying but Who said he isn't be held accountable? Frantic posters on an internet forum? I think at 1-10 everybody knows there is work to be done. Just because he wasn't fired doesn't mean he isn't being held accountable. Wildhack has a job to do as well and he has and will

 

[OrangeXtreme]

I'm fully aware he'll be back next season, how hard it is to own up to it and admit we did a bad job we have things to fix and work on, I don't make a fraction of what dino makes yet it seems at my job I hold and am held more accountable than dino. Every team had adversity one way or the other, all my point it to own up to his mistakes and get better. I still think dino can have "success" 6 wins and making bowls are success here and I'll go to my grave believing the way the CFB landscape is now that dino and any other coach we have are capable of making bowl games.

In what way hasn't Dino "owned up to his mistakes"?

How do you know that Wildhack isn't holding Dino accountable?

What do you want Dino to do ... bring a Harakiri sword to the next press conference and literally spill his guts in from of the media? Or should Wildhack give Dino a public flogging in the town square?

 

[Alsacs]

In what way hasn't Dino "owned up to his mistakes"?

How do you know that Wildhack isn't holding Dino accountable?

What do you want Dino to do ... bring a Harakiri sword to the next press conference and literally spill his guts in from of the media? Or should Wildhack give Dino a public flogging in the town square?

What does Dino have to do for you next year record wise to keep his job after the 2021 season?
Would love to hear you give an opinion.

 

[Scooch]

Auburn firing a coach is light years different than our circumstance. Auburn will always have a long line of guys ready to take the job, no matter how "unfairly" they treated the guy before them. And they have scores of deep-pocketed boosters willing to spend money on anything the school desires. Auburn is one of many schools that simply operate in a totally different universe than most other college athletic programs.

It isn't even worth debating whether they *should* have fired Malzahn. They can, they did, they'll move on, they'll probably win a title again at some point, and then they'll fire that guy, and none of it bares any resemblance to the game SU is playing.

 

[GoSU96]

Seriously get fired and get half of what he’s owed in 30 days. I would just take a month long nap on my money

nap on it? I'd go full Scrooge McDuck

 

[721Comstock]

nap on it? I'd go full Scrooge McDuck

Or Daffy Duck - MINE MINE MINE!!! DOWN DOWN DOWN!!! GO GO GO!!!!

 

[jgeorge322]

every program has peaks and valleys. the easiest thing to do is blame the coach. the next easiest thing to do is blame the quarterback. sometimes the players just dont pan out. sometimes you get lucky and you get a player who is way better than expected (joe borrow last year). firing the coach is not always the answer unless you have saban or meyer ready to step in.

 

[Modern Coac]

Not just 1-10. 6-17 the past 2 years. No other coach survives this. When fans settle for mediocrity the AD will as well.

The excuses are endless. Covid, opt outs, injuries, new coaches. Every program in nation deals with same stuff. They are just excuses. Tired, old excuses!!! IMO, minimum success rate is 4-4 ACC. Anything less, is unacceptable. That would be 6 years. Any hopes things will get better are simply that...hope. Need a recruiter.

 

[Domedog84]

Not just 1-10. 6-17 the past 2 years. No other coach survives this. When fans settle for mediocrity the AD will as well.

The excuses are endless. Covid, opt outs, injuries, new coaches. Every program in nation deals with same stuff. They are just excuses. Tired, old excuses!!! IMO, minimum success rate is 4-4 ACC. Anything less, is unacceptable. That would be 6 years. Any hopes things will get better are simply that...hope. Need a recruiter.

If it was 8-16 in two years, with an extra win last year and a win in a bowl game? Would that change your perception? Or if we had played our FCS and MAC games this year?

Nobody is happy with 1-10, and I think everyone now has some major question marks with Dino, but two years removed from 10 wins you are ready to give up? I say let's see how next year plays out, then we may have to act.

 

[Cuse69]

In what way hasn't Dino "owned up to his mistakes"?

How do you know that Wildhack isn't holding Dino accountable?

What do you want Dino to do ... bring a Harakiri sword to the next press conference and literally spill his guts in from of the media? Or should Wildhack give Dino a public flogging in the town square?

Have you ever watched a dino press conference, especially towards seasons end and the radio show the amount of total horse chit excuses blew my mind. If he's going to say some BS then why say anything at all. Gotta love him bringing up missouri 6 years later, he took this job for less money because he knew he wouldn't last. Barry odom did a better job at missouri against harder teams and got canned. His whole attitude has been a problem for me. I don't like someone doing a bad job and blaming everyone else. I could go on and on and list 100 examples, just my opinion, to each their own.

 

[IthacaBarrel]

Not just 1-10. 6-17 the past 2 years. No other coach survives this. When fans settle for mediocrity the AD will as well.

The excuses are endless. Covid, opt outs, injuries, new coaches. Every program in nation deals with same stuff. They are just excuses. Tired, old excuses!!! IMO, minimum success rate is 4-4 ACC. Anything less, is unacceptable. That would be 6 years. Any hopes things will get better are simply that...hope. Need a recruiter.

Do you feel better? He's still the coach.

Need a recruiter? Great thanks

Nobody is writing the buyout check, nobody regardless if they even wanted him fired, which they don't.

 

[LeMoyneCuse]

Looks like they're hiring Cristobal.

 

[TheCusian]

It's not the broader point. I could've used a different number of analogies, I'm also not a gambler. But whether it's gambling or something else, it's about simply having the means to do so without it having any significant financial impact of ones circumstances. And, with that being the case, it's all relative in regards to perspective, not "losing" perspective.

Good points. I do think there’s a moral and ethical component too - but it’s a broader cultural and sports issue.

 

[TheCusian]

Not just 1-10. 6-17 the past 2 years. No other coach survives this. When fans settle for mediocrity the AD will as well.

The excuses are endless. Covid, opt outs, injuries, new coaches. Every program in nation deals with same stuff. They are just excuses. Tired, old excuses!!! IMO, minimum success rate is 4-4 ACC. Anything less, is unacceptable. That would be 6 years. Any hopes things will get better are simply that...hope. Need a recruiter.

How dare we actually take circumstances into consideration. To be honest this is the first year I’ve heard pandemic as an “excuse” ... and if it becomes a tired old excuse we should probably quit sports to focus on general survival.

Other that that, be sure to use all caps in your letter to Wildhack. Write a big check, get this ship turned around. You’re already halfway there in holding the staff accountable here on this message board like a champ

 

[orangecuse]

In what way hasn't Dino "owned up to his mistakes"?

How do you know that Wildhack isn't holding Dino accountable?

What do you want Dino to do ... bring a Harakiri sword to the next press conference and literally spill his guts in from of the media? Or should Wildhack give Dino a public flogging in the town square?

Although, I'm not the one you asked, I'll give you a response.

Just last week or so, Dino made a statement that guys out there seeing a significant amount of playing time are not physically matured yet and can't hold a candle to him in the weight room, or along those lines. Therefore, implying an excuse for lack of various/consistent successes on the field. Instead of Dino owning why these guys are on the field so much, despite their physical stature shortcomings, etc. he just says that they'll get there...someday. Well, how about owning that since you and you alone are mainly responsible for assembling and developing your roster, that your relative failures on this front is the reason why these physically immature guys are in the position they are in?

 

[sufandu]

Although, I'm not the one you asked, I'll give you a response.

Just last week or so, Dino made a statement that guys out there seeing a significant amount of playing time are not physically matured yet and can't hold a candle to him in the weight room, or along those lines. Therefore, implying an excuse for lack of various/consistent successes on the field. Instead of Dino owning why these guys are on the field so much, despite their physical stature shortcomings, etc. he just says that they'll get there...someday. Well, how about owning that since you and you alone are mainly responsible for assembling and developing your roster, that your relative failures on this front is the reason why these physically immature guys are in the position they are in?

Nah, that's BS. He had no control over the injuries and transfers that thinned out the positions he was referring to. I suppose it's his fault Hendrix ran into Cisco. He should've seen that coming and locked Hendrix in a closet somewhere. There are actually things outside the coach's control and sometimes what fans choose to see as excuses are simply truths.