Babers Clean Slate Philosophy Good or Bad?

[cuse309]

Curious what everyone thinks!

http://www.syracuse.com/orangefootb...m_last_season_3_thing.html#incart_river_index

But as early preparations continue for the 2016 season, first-year Syracuse football coach Dino Babers won't be doing any type of film evaluation on the players he has in the program.

"I will not assess what we have" Babers said in an interview with CNYCentral that aired following Sunday's Super Bowl.

"When you watch the old tape you're watching old coaches coach a certain way. What I want to do is have a clean slate with all of our new players because it's a new coaching staff and I don't want to see them doing the old. I want to see them doing the new.

"Although there's some coaches on the staff that will watch previous game tape, I will not do that. I want all young men to have a clean slate and a fair chance. I think that's the best way when you're starting a new program."

Isn't it his philosophy and coaching style that made him the coach we were all so excited to sign in the first place? If this is his method, and what he has used to be successful, then by all means, keep doing what has gotten you to this point. Why would we want him to change before he starts here.

 

[All4SU]

So let me get this straight HCDB hasn't watched any film on this team? Not buying it. He had to have looked at game film just to determine the athletes he has to work with. Do I think he broke down the film? Probably not. His statement is probably a public pitch to his players that (A) it's a clean slate so you better work hard and (b) we're investing our time in our system...get with the program.

Exactly. The benefit of the statement is not for us fans. It's to have the players believe that (a) the can overcome the opinions of previous coaching staff, and (b) nothing is guaranteed.

 

[Moontan]

Why would we want him to change before he starts here.

Because the people here have a lot more D1 meathead coaching experience than Dino. They know better.

Observing differences between Dino's methods and traditional methods is interesting. Wondering why he may be doing things differently is prime message board discussion material. Questioning Dino's methods before the results are seen (by the middle of the 2nd season) is just whack.

 

[SoBristol]

A clean slate for the HC, but not for the coordinators who do the work with the OL, WRs, RBs, QBs?

Defense is led by Brian Ward. Does Ward watch the 2015 videos?

Just how clean is that slate?

 

[bcubs9497]

When tape is all you have, tape is what you use. Babers will have the benefit of his S&C coaches reporting on the progress of the players, their abilities, strength, speed, quickness, height, weight, etc. Then, spring practice. He'll be able to assess their performances first-hand. So, as far as I'm concerned, all this worry about not disecting last year's tape is a big fat nothing-burger.

 

[HtownOrange]

Just a reminder that each week there is a clean slate. The best player at each position will start. The clean slate concept works for HCDB. Some coaches like to reward the guy who has worked hard for four years and is a senior so the senior starts, they get subbed out rather quickly if the junior or sophomore can play better, that system works for that coach.

Rest assured that player evaluation is being completed. Let's not forget that off season "voluntary" workouts are on going and the coaches keep tabs on this. The stats are already in the books and a good idea of what kids can do is on paper (or in the computer).

HCDB does not need to watch a lot of old game film because his system is different. He has already clarified that he does not need a massive playbook. The kids will run the same plays over and over with the variations and they will practice fast, no huddle style. Plenty of time to make evaluations of how a kid will play in HCDB's system. Also, there is spring practice and the summer practice, evaluation talent won't take that long, the cream will rise. Other kids will play roles and will develop more over time.

Just my opinion, but I think our Orange will be just fine. I expect a bowl game.

 

[SoBristol]

Just a reminder that each week there is a clean slate. The best player at each position will start. The clean slate concept works for HCDB. Some coaches l

HCDB does not need to watch a lot of old game film because his system is different. He has already clarified that he does not need a massive playbook. The kids will run the same plays over and over with the variations and they will practice fast, no huddle style. Plenty of time to make evaluations of how a kid will play in HCDB's system. Also, there is spring practice and the summer practice, evaluation talent won't take that long, the cream will rise. Other kids will play roles and will develop more over time.

Just my opinion, but I think our Orange will be just fine. I expect a bowl game.

And for the defense?

I don't see this as a big deal. The OL needs a rebuild anyway. But I expect the position coaches have watched video of Dungey and Mahoney; and also Ishmael, Estime and Phillips to pick out what they do well and where they need improvement. Same for the RBs who played. Then see in the Spring what everyone can do.

 

[TheCusian]

When tape is all you have, tape is what you use. Babers will have the benefit of his S&C coaches reporting on the progress of the players, their abilities, strength, speed, quickness, height, weight, etc. Then, spring practice. He'll be able to assess their performances first-hand. So, as far as I'm concerned, all this worry about not disecting last year's tape is a big fat nothing-burger.

Can't wait for spring. We need big fat anything-burgers.

 

[TheCusian]

Just a reminder that each week there is a clean slate. The best player at each position will start. The clean slate concept works for HCDB. Some coaches like to reward the guy who has worked hard for four years and is a senior so the senior starts, they get subbed out rather quickly if the junior or sophomore can play better, that system works for that coach. Rest assured that player evaluation is being completed. Let's not forget that off season "voluntary" workouts are on going and the coaches keep tabs on this. The stats are already in the books and a good idea of what kids can do is on paper (or in the computer). HCDB does not need to watch a lot of old game film because his system is different. He has already clarified that he does not need a massive playbook. The kids will run the same plays over and over with the variations and they will practice fast, no huddle style. Plenty of time to make evaluations of how a kid will play in HCDB's system. Also, there is spring practice and the summer practice, evaluation talent won't take that long, the cream will rise. Other kids will play roles and will develop more over time. Just my opinion, but I think our Orange will be just fine. I expect a bowl game.

Agreed. The amount of practice reps is about to go through the roof.

 

[Chip]

someone on staff will check out the film and relay any useful info to coach

That was my takeaway. It was a chance for Babers to let everyone know that he's giving them a clean slate. But he'll rely on his staff (who will look at previous film) to help in final decisions. That's the good part of hiring so many guys you've already worked with.

This isn't GRob. At all. With his Bob Wylie, Brian Pariani meeting for the first time and having the offensive football equivalent of a mensa meeting on a white board, and then by game 3 having Perry run the option.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

When tape is all you have, tape is what you use. Babers will have the benefit of his S&C coaches reporting on the progress of the players, their abilities, strength, speed, quickness, height, weight, etc. Then, spring practice. He'll be able to assess their performances first-hand. So, as far as I'm concerned, all this worry about not disecting last year's tape is a big fat nothing-burger.

Thank you ou for introducing me to the idea of a nothing-burger. That's fantastic. I'm going to drop that in a meeting or two at work. I love the concept. That's so well phrased, I love it.

 

[CuseCactus]

I've learned the hard way not to rely on past exploits or performance in business. It's all about the present. The next practice, next game, next meeting are what matter. Hard reality. Especially in sports.

 

[OrangePA]

I wouldn't watch an attorney at a house closing to figure out if she could represent me in front of a jury.

But I would watch the attorney in court at trial if that is what I was looking to purchase.

Even if the trial I was observing involved a different legal or factual issue.

I would be able to see how the attorney reacts to judges, witnesses and opposing counsel. I would get a sense of how the attorney interacts with the jury.

 

[OrangePA]

I've learned the hard way not to rely on past exploits or performance in business. It's all about the present. The next practice, next game, next meeting are what matter. Hard reality. Especially in sports.

This does not make sense to me.

Then why look at a recruit's HS video?

Or why ask the recruit's HS coach how the kid reacts to certain aspects of play?

 

[TheCusian]

This does not make sense to me. Then why look at a recruit's HS video? Or why ask the recruit's HS coach how the kid reacts to certain aspects of play?

Recruits are being viewed through the "are they good enough to earn a scholarship" lens.

Current players are being viewed through the "they are already on scholarship, can they play in our system" lens. Best way to evaluate that is in person, in system.

 

[CuseCactus]

This does not make sense to me.

Then why look at a recruit's HS video?

Or why ask the recruit's HS coach how the kid reacts to certain aspects of play?

You make a good point. I could have made my point more clearly - i.e., the past is the past - no one should be resting on their laurels. Especially with a new regime.

 

[rrlbees]

Recruits are being viewed through the "are they good enough to earn a scholarship" lens. Current players are being viewed through the "they are already on scholarship, can they play in our system" lens. Best way to evaluate that is in person, in system.

Then when we were recruiting this cycle how would we know if we had even 1 QB or 4 that can run this system? Or whether we have 2 LBs or 5 LBs that can play in the Tampa 2 system? Somebody had to evaluate the current roster.

 

[Pyle]

But I would watch the attorney in court at trial if that is what I was looking to purchase.

Even if the trial I was observing involved a different legal or factual issue.

I would be able to see how the attorney reacts to judges, witnesses and opposing counsel. I would get a sense of how the attorney interacts with the jury.

I think he stated the position coaches will be watching tape. It sounded like a little bit of coach speak... 'I'm not watching tape' but all my guys are and will report to me anything they feel is necessary. And then I'll judge based on their performance in my system.

 

[TheCusian]

Then when we were recruiting this cycle how would we know if we had even 1 QB or 4 that can run this system? Or whether we have 2 LBs or 5 LBs that can play in the Tampa 2 system? Somebody had to evaluate the current roster.

Didn't say it wasn't done - just that the best way to evaluate is in person, running the system. And I believe Babers when he said he didn't personally watch any tape.

I also got the impression that they are caring less about the current roster than a coach who has been here for awhile might.

 

[CuseCactus]

So interesting to consider the future - are we getting Rich Rod at Michigan? Or Briles at Baylor? This thread makes me worried - a touch - that the culture at Syracuse is more like Michigan's than Baylor's. And that Babers may be a little too cutting edge for the rust belt. We (myself included) rely so heavily on the past when it comes to Syracuse football. This guy is a whole new experience - no playbook, etc.

It really seems like a leap of faith.

 

[CuseCrew08]

So interesting to consider the future - are we getting Rich Rod at Michigan? Or Briles at Baylor? This thread makes me worried - a touch - that the culture at Syracuse is more like Michigan's than Baylor's. And that Babers may be a little too cutting edge for the rust belt. We (myself included) rely so heavily on the past when it comes to Syracuse football. This guy is a whole new experience - no playbook, etc.

It really seems like a leap of faith.

This is a move of faith, belief without evidence- Dino Babers

 

[Chicago44s]

So interesting to consider the future - are we getting Rich Rod at Michigan? Or Briles at Baylor? This thread makes me worried - a touch - that the culture at Syracuse is more like Michigan's than Baylor's. And that Babers may be a little too cutting edge for the rust belt. We (myself included) rely so heavily on the past when it comes to Syracuse football. This guy is a whole new experience - no playbook, etc.

It really seems like a leap of faith.

CuseCactus, A great man once said,

"We're not gonna make promises, but I'll tell you this...if you have faith...belief with evidence, belief of the things unseen. If you have faith, and if you fill this place to rock & roll, we will give you something you've never seen before. Feel me. FEEL ME!
WE. WILL. WIN! LET'S GO ORANGE!"

 

[TexanMark]

I've learned the hard way not to rely on past exploits or performance in business. It's all about the present. The next practice, next game, next meeting are what matter. Hard reality. Especially in sports.

but you killed it with that "Pet Rock" idea!!!

 

[HtownOrange]

And for the defense?

I don't see this as a big deal. The OL needs a rebuild anyway. But I expect the position coaches have watched video of Dungey and Mahoney; and also Ishmael, Estime and Phillips to pick out what they do well and where they need improvement. Same for the RBs who played. Then see in the Spring what everyone can do.

The same holds true for Offense and Defense, Special Teams, too. I agree that teh assistants coaches are probably evaluating some film. However, the main point is that the strategy to be employed will have to have some implementation to truly evaluate the players moreso than film on the past offense/defense, as HCDB is going to do.

 

[TexanMark]

So interesting to consider the future - are we getting Rich Rod at Michigan? Or Briles at Baylor? This thread makes me worried - a touch - that the culture at Syracuse is more like Michigan's than Baylor's. And that Babers may be a little too cutting edge for the rust belt. We (myself included) rely so heavily on the past when it comes to Syracuse football. This guy is a whole new experience - no playbook, etc.

It really seems like a leap of faith.

We do what PSU, Rutgers, UMD, Pitt, BC are doing...we'll be nothing more than mediocre with an occasional very good.

Cuse has something unique to sell (playing in perfect conditions for nearly 12 games) that no other NE school can sell. Our weather/game day conditions will be better than what Baylor has.

You gotta believe...Cuse has a chance to be great!