Bad look for Narduzzi/Pitt

[UpstateSM]

Man, I hope our fanbase wouldn’t be so gross in the replies

 

[sutomcat]

Man, I hope our fanbase wouldn’t be so gross in the replies

Reynolds and Morgan are both from Brooklyn and went to Poly Prep. This is not going to help their efforts to recruit NYC.

 

[Trueblue25]

Thankful for Dino and JW

 

[All4SU]

I guess it’s a good thing jackets and ties are no longer required.

 

[UpstateSM]

Dabo’s turn

 

[nzm136]

I guess it’s a good thing jackets and ties are no longer required.

The real world is going to hit some people hard.

 

[Chip]

Man, I hope our fanbase wouldn’t be so gross in the replies

Any fanbase would. Twitter is the devil's playground.

If Jack really wanted to contribute to humanity, he'd shut that sh !tshow down for good, or at least remove the comment function.

 

[OrangeAl]

Maybe I'm out of the loop, but when did "thugs" pick up a racial connotation. Isn't a thug just a guy who resorts to brutality to get his way?

 

[LeMoyneCuse]

Maybe I'm out of the loop, but when did "thugs" pick up a racial connotation. Isn't a thug just a guy who resorts to brutality to get his way?

A black player was called a thug for wearing a hoodie. You do the math where the connotation comes from.

 

[DoctorBombay]

Things are starting to look and feel more and more like the race version of the "MeToo Movement".
That resulted in some honest discussions about gender equality, so it'll be interesting to see where these stories go.
Meantime, some folks/institutions will be on edge for a while waiting for the racial shoe to drop. (Grabs popcorn)

 

[nzm136]

A black player was called a thug for wearing a hoodie. You do the math where the connotation comes from.

Were only black players called thugs?

The tweet just says they were called “thugs.“ Unless there is more to the story, like the coach only referring to the black players as thugs, then it sounds more like several disgruntled and immature former players trying to tarnish an overly strict coach’s reputation than racism in any form.

EDIT: I have no idea if there is more to the story. A coach being racist has absolutely no place in American society, especially on a college campus. However, casually throwing around fabricated allegations is equally serious and reprehensible.

 

[LeMoyneCuse]

Were only black players called thugs?

The tweet just says they were called “thugs.“ Unless there is more to the story, like the coach only referring to the black players as thugs, then it sounds more like several disgruntled and immature former players trying to tarnish an overly strict coach’s reputation than racism in any form.

EDIT: I have no idea if there is more to the story. A coach being racist has absolutely no place in American society, especially on a college campus. However, casually throwing around fabricated allegations is equally serious and reprehensible.

Like the "Me Too" movement, this is the wash that these things will always go through - the accusers have a motivate. All three players have been off of the team for more than a year. What if they're telling the truth and want to use the current climate to call attention to casual racism they faced?

Here's an article that discusses the negative connotations of young black men and hoodies. That's part of the "thug" comment.

I can't find any definitive article on black men and dreadlocks, but there have been several examples over the last few years, including a wrestler in New Jersey, being forced to cut their dreadlocks for seemingly arbitrary reasons.

 

[OrangeDW]

Maybe I'm out of the loop, but when did "thugs" pick up a racial connotation. Isn't a thug just a guy who resorts to brutality to get his way?

When people started calling others “thugs” based on their appearance and not their action. It seemed like a code word for something else.

From what I recall, it became a thing for some during the NBA era where a lot of the players had tattoos and cornrows - Allen Iverson era.

 

[Stern]

The word "thugs" is a code word no doubt. It's a dog whistle for sure used by some in our society that I find disgusting and always have. This story out of Pittsburgh is very disturbing. IF these allegations are found to be true, Pitt needs to Fire Narduzzi.

I remember a few years back we had a fan on this board who called Syracuse players "thugs" based on their appearance on the pre-game video at the Dome where they announced the starting lineup. The fan called them thugs and wanted the players to shave and get a hair cut. I was highly offended by it at the time and was vocal about it then. Now all of these years later I think many eyes in society are opened to this type of stuff and there is more awareness of this and what people are really saying when they use that word "thug" (or at least I hope that is the case).

No football player should be called a "thug" for any reason the least of which is the type of haircut they may have. I would have hoped we as a society have made progress in this area over the years but you see stories like this out of Pitt and you just shake your head.

 

[javadoc]

Reynolds and Morgan are both from Brooklyn and went to Poly Prep. This is not going to help their efforts to recruit NYC.

I doubt it makes any difference. I can think of more serious scandals at other schools which apparently didn't matter to families, as evidenced by their decision making.

 

[Capt. Tuttle]

Were only black players called thugs?

The tweet just says they were called “thugs.“ Unless there is more to the story, like the coach only referring to the black players as thugs, then it sounds more like several disgruntled and immature former players trying to tarnish an overly strict coach’s reputation than racism in any form.

EDIT: I have no idea if there is more to the story. A coach being racist has absolutely no place in American society, especially on a college campus. However, casually throwing around fabricated allegations is equally serious and reprehensible.

Certain words have by hijacked and given specific race/gender/ sexual orientation definitions in our country, mostly for political reasons. The issue, IMO, is that certain groups have decided, and many in the media have endorsed as true, that certain words are code for other things. For instance, if I want to hand signal across the room to my wife that I am ok, some people will say that I used a white power sign. It's just crazy how things have spun out of control to find ways to be offended.
All kids where hoodies. The black kids might have heard that comment and assumed it meant something different than intended or, they could be correct.
I think that "thug" vs "jack booted thug", conjure very different images for most people.

 

[OrangeMojo]

No football player should be called a "thug" for any reason

Disagree - Ben Boulware was a thug.

I couldn’t remember his name so I googled “dbag Clemson linebacker” and it took me straight to his Wikipedia page.

 

[nzm136]

Certain words have by hijacked and given specific race/gender/ s e xual orientation definitions in our country, mostly for political reasons. The issue, IMO, is that certain groups have decided, and many in the media have endorsed as true, that certain words are code for other things. For instance, if I want to hand signal across the room to my wife that I am ok, some people will say that I used a white power sign. It's just crazy how things have spun out of control to find ways to be offended.
All kids where hoodies. The black kids might have heard that comment and assumed it meant something different than intended or, they could be correct.
I think that "thug" vs "jack booted thug", conjure very different images for most people.

Urban Dictionary: thug

A thug is typically referred to a male or female who commits crimes for personal gain through stealing, selling drugs, but especially violent crimes such as robbery and assault.

www.google.com

Dictionary.com | Meanings & Definitions of English Words

The world's leading online dictionary: English definitions, synonyms, word origins, example sentences, word games, and more. A trusted authority for 25+ years!

www.dictionary.com

I only looked at the first page of urban dictionary on my phone (~10 entries), so maybe there are other definitions that I missed, but I have an incredibly hard time connecting that word with Pitt’s football coach probably or definitely being racist. The only definite racial connotation that I saw was that the word might somehow be associated with Indians.

I’d 100% understand if he only called African American players “thugs” and referred to white, latino, asian, etc. plays as something else, which is why I asked. But unless that’s the case, or unless both the dictionary and urban dictionary are wrong, I have a hard time believing people aren’t reaching for reasons to be offended.

And, if urban dictionary can’t keep up, is it really reasonable to expect a 54 year old football coach to keep up with the evolution of slang? IF, the word has some connotation that eludes both the dictionary definition and the urban dictionary definition, I’m willing to bet that it’s more likely to elude Pat Narduzzi as well than it is for him to be racist.

Such allegations are serious and should not be casually thrown around.

 

[All4SU]

When people started calling others “thugs” based on their appearance and not their action. It seemed like a code word for something else.

From what I recall, it became a thing for some during the NBA era where a lot of the players had tattoos and cornrows - Allen Iverson era.

I suspect a lot of people called Devendorf a thug.

 

[All4SU]

“Dog whistles” seem to be heard mostly by people who strain to hear dog whistles. Most people don’t hear anything. Perhaps people - and dogs - hear what they want to hear.

 

[Briancuse]

Any fanbase would. Twitter is the devil's playground.

If Jack really wanted to contribute to humanity, he'd shut that sh !tshow down for good, or at least remove the comment function.

There are alot of old coaches who are extremely thankful that they coached before Twitter.

 

[LeMoyneCuse]

Urban Dictionary: thug

A thug is typically referred to a male or female who commits crimes for personal gain through stealing, selling drugs, but especially violent crimes such as robbery and assault.

www.google.com

Dictionary.com | Meanings & Definitions of English Words

The world's leading online dictionary: English definitions, synonyms, word origins, example sentences, word games, and more. A trusted authority for 25+ years!

www.dictionary.com

I only looked at the first page of urban dictionary on my phone (~10 entries), so maybe there are other definitions that I missed, but I have an incredibly hard time connecting that word with Pitt’s football coach probably or definitely being racist. The only definite racial connotation that I saw was that the word might somehow be associated with Indians.

I’d 100% understand if he only called African American players “thugs” and referred to white, latino, asian, etc. plays as something else, which is why I asked. But unless that’s the case, or unless both the dictionary and urban dictionary are wrong, I have a hard time believing people aren’t reaching for reasons to be offended.

And, if urban dictionary can’t keep up, is it really reasonable to expect a 54 year old football coach to keep up with the evolution of slang? IF, the word has some connotation that eludes both the dictionary definition and the urban dictionary definition, I’m willing to bet that it’s more likely to elude Pat Narduzzi as well than it is for him to be racist.

Such allegations are serious and should not be casually thrown around.

Just because you don't understand the racial connotations doesn't trivialize the claims being made.

 

[CanadianSU]

Disagree - Ben Boulware was a thug.

I couldn’t remember his name so I googled “dbag Clemson linebacker” and it took me straight to his Wikipedia page.

Who else tried this?

 

[721Comstock]

Who else tried this?

Me. Just now.

That's hysterical.

 

[TheCusian]

Every time I think of Dungey getting suplexed by that LB from Clemson, I like to think of when our DL knocked their QB out of the game on our way to beating the #2 team in the country