Badger fan here...

[CorduroyG]

knock knock

who's there?

duany

duany who?

duany

 

[Knicks411]

I think every fanbase thinks the other teams players get away with stuff, and their team is unfairly targeted by refs.

I'm definitely concerned with this game; Wisconsin is going to slow it down. I do think their defense is overrated by Pomeroy, but I think they probably have one of the 10 or so best defenses in the country. It should be a really tough game, we're going to struggle to turn them over and get into the open court. It will probably be one of those rockfights; this game has Butler 2010 written all over it. Not necessarily in who will win, but in the shape of the game.

 

[CiscoCuse]

Cool post ! I only remember playing Wisconsin once, and that was in football, circa 1970ish. It was lean years then for both of us.

I was at that game (Sept 1972) as a junior @ SU...Wiscy won 31-7. Can't remember their halfback, but he was a human bowling ball running thru CUSE.

 

[edowd26]

I do actually, because It appears as if your strengths (transition, forcing turnovers) are the things that we don't allow/don't do.

USF, Louisville, WVU, G'town, Cinci... we've seen it.

 

[VaBeachOrFan]

Duany Duany and Kueth isn't a law firm, it's just brothers.:crazy: -VBOF

 

[FornerlyBIS]

With all due respect, that is BS. Sure, Bo may preach that—but in reality, his teams clutch AND grab constantly. Jordan Taylor has become the king of subtly having his hands all over the player he's defending. Then, more often than not, that player either gets frustrated or just tries to give Taylor a little in return, and Taylor falls backwards, arms flailing like he was just hit by a sedan.
I suppose one could say, "hey hats off to them, that's just smart basketball." But I say that's ugly basketball and goes directly against the spirit of the game.

(BTW, this comes from someone who's lived in big10 country his whole life and has had to suffer through 3+ decades of big10 ugliness)

Seth Davis asked for anonymous quotes on Wisconsin from assistant coaches in the B1G: "I don’t really respect the way they play," the coach (either an assistant or head coach) told Davis. "Jordan Taylor likes to run and grab you, then throw his head back and try to get a call. If you set a pick, they take a dive. They cheat the game."

Here's what Dan Dakich, former Indiana coach and frequent announcer of UW games had to say about that:

"There is a dumbass assistant coach somewhere opening up his mouth, I mean if you want to know the truth," "...in terms of cheating the game, are you crazy?" Dakich said. "Bo Ryan does the exact opposite. Watch a warm-up. They pass, they catch, they work on skill. That’s not cheating the game. They guard you. That’s not cheating the game. They don’t grab people. I’ve been to a million of their games. They don’t grab people. I don’t walk away from a Wisconsin game saying, ‘Dang did they just mug their opponent?’ I’ve done a million games and I promise you this. I promise you that whatever assistant coach was stupid enough to say that, I promise you – I’m not even in the league, but I’ve watched more of Wisconsin than that guy does – and what he said about them is complete crap. Is that strong enough for you?"

By the way there's widespread speculation that the anonymous coach who said that was none other than your former QB.

 

[FornerlyBIS]

USF, Louisville, WVU, G'town, Cinci... we've seen it.

Offensive efficiency ranks, as of Saturday:

USF: 161
Louisville: 114
WVU: 43
G'town: 35
Cincy: 48
and just for good measure, ND: 45 & Marq: 27

Wisconsin: 19.

 

[rrlbees]

By the way there's widespread speculation that the anonymous coach who said that was none other than your former QB.

Except Paulus isn't an assistant. He's a video co-coordinator. Doubt Davis was interviewing them.

 

[EastCoast2]

By the way there's widespread speculation that the anonymous coach who said that was none other than your former QB.

Ehh I really doubt he has the balls in this stage of his career to say that. Just not his style, at least not now.

 

[BuckyBrew]

90% should be blocking calls, with 5% charges and 5% travels.

It's pretty ridiculous to just assign a random % to what "should be called." Every particular instance will be different depending on just how "set" the defender is vs. how much force the offensive guy runs into him with, and if the offensive guy actually tries to avoid the defender or just goes directly into him. The only real problem I have with the way it is called now is that there are too many instances where a guy lifts off toward the hoop and the defender simultaneously takes that one extra step toward him (often to get out of the restricted circle) and then flops to get the charge. Those should definitely be blocks.

I also think that charges shouldn't result in BOTH a foul and a turnover. The benefits of trying to draw them are just too great. It should just be a player control turnover rather than a personal foul.

 

[FornerlyBIS]

Except Paulus isn't an assistant. He's a video co-coordinator. Doubt Davis was interviewing them.

The speculation stems from Seth Davis' connections to Duke & OSU's hatred toward UW. It might not be Paulus, but it is one of the leading hypotheses. Given the cluelessness, it very well might have been a low-level flunky.

 

[rrlbees]

The speculation stems from Seth Davis' connections to Duke & OSU's hatred toward UW. It might not be Paulus, but it is one of the leading hypotheses. Given the cluelessness, it very well might have been a low-level flunky.

That's some kind of speculation then. I guess Davis lied in his article when he says comments came from head or assistant coaches. Guess he should have also said video coordinators. It's kind of a reach for a hypothesis.

 

[edowd26]

Offensive efficiency ranks, as of Saturday:

USF: 161
Louisville: 114
WVU: 43
G'town: 35
Cincy: 48
and just for good measure, ND: 45 & Marq: 27

Wisconsin: 19.

careful boy 61-54 at home. 73-66 @ home. we've seen it, we've beaten it. Should be fun game.

 

[BuckyBrew]

In the half-court, SU will be able to take advantage of athletic mismatches at every position and should get to the basket regularly.

Well, it may be true that they will be able to get past whoever is guarding them on the perimeter. However, there WILL be another guy standing there waiting for him, and there will be another guy sinking to help the helper. This Badger team is the best team I've ever seen at anticipation and team defensive positioning. They have to be, because they really aren't all that athletic for a top 25 caliber squad. If your guys keep from barreling into the helper for a charge and are adept at the short pull-up jumper or interior passing, you can use your athleticism to score. If your guys are hell-bent on getting to the bucket, there will be a lot of charges and a lot of whining.

On the other end of the court, as has been said previously, it's all about making 3s. If UW shoots above 42% from beyond the arc, they will win. If they shoot below 33%, they will lose. Anything in between (which is likely), and it could go either way.

 

[bballbeadle]

Dear Badger Fan, I can't add anything to this discussion that is even remotely smart, but I will say "Welcome" and I want to beat you very much. I am Class of 72, born in LaCrosse, and boy, did I get an education at the UW in the 60's! Tear gassed every year I was there. I love Wisconsin passionately, but the thing is, we've had the season from heaven and hell. We have been to the mountain top and glimpsed the promised land, only for it to be seemingly snatched away from us, over and over and over, this whole season long. We need to go to the Final Four. Dare I say it? We need a championship. We need it like oxygen. My great-grandmother, two grandparents, uncles and aunts, father and my brother graduated from Wisconsin. But I would walk over all their graves to get to New Orleans. Please understand that this must be done.

Grandma Beadle, forgive me!

 

[edowd26]

Well, it may be true that they will be able to get past whoever is guarding them on the perimeter. However, there WILL be another guy standing there waiting for him, and there will be another guy sinking to help the helper. This Badger team is the best team I've ever seen at anticipation and team defensive positioning. They have to be, because they really aren't all that athletic for a top 25 caliber squad. If your guys keep from barreling into the helper for a charge and are adept at the short pull-up jumper or interior passing, you can use your athleticism to score. If your guys are hell-bent on getting to the bucket, there will be a lot of charges and a lot of whining.

On the other end of the court, as has been said previously, it's all about making 3s. If UW shoots above 42% from beyond the arc, they will win. If they shoot below 33%, they will lose. Anything in between (which is likely), and it could go either way.

we'll likely extend the zone and dare you to beat us on the interior. you guys are 3 happy, expect length in taylor's face... he's pretty small eh? If your big guys are on then its a ball game.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

This is patently false. Sure they're physical, but not clutch-and-grab. They do very little of the reaching and handsy-type of defense that tries to get turnovers. The entire philosophy is predicated on playing defense by moving your feet -- the physicality is generally below the waist.

Sounds great in theory but I don't buy it.

 

[BuckyBrew]

Sounds great in theory but I don't buy it.

Well, you'll see. UW isn't a high pressure defense by any means. We don't jump passing lanes, and don't reach for steals. We don't allow lay-ups or wide open 3 pointers. That's pretty much the philosophy. Make guys try to hit jumpers with a hand in their face, and then get the rebound.

 

[Ghost]

It's pretty ridiculous to just assign a random % to what "should be called." Every particular instance will be different depending on just how "set" the defender is vs. how much force the offensive guy runs into him with, and if the offensive guy actually tries to avoid the defender or just goes directly into him. The only real problem I have with the way it is called now is that there are too many instances where a guy lifts off toward the hoop and the defender simultaneously takes that one extra step toward him (often to get out of the restricted circle) and then flops to get the charge. Those should definitely be blocks.

I couldn't agree more with the bolded portion - that's my biggest gripe with those calls. Once a guy leaves his feet, you need the defender to be set. The offensive player can't go all Matrix, stop time, contort and slide left/right.

While we're on rules I also wish they would quit calling defensive fouls where the only contact is the off-arm of the offensive player while putting in a lay-up (off-arm to the defenders chest). Kraft had a couple of those the other day.

 

[HtownOrange]

If Wiscy is leaving the offensive boards to cheat back and avoid the transition game, that would mean they are not going to get a lot of second chances. Syracuse may exceed their season high in rebounding. If that's the case, Wiscy will need to shoot 50% to win.

 

[pearl31]

Given the cluelessness

:rolling:

 

[pearl31]

Here's what Dan Dakich, former Indiana coach and frequent announcer of UW games had to say about that:

"There is a dumbass assistant coach somewhere opening up his mouth, I mean if you want to know the truth," "...in terms of cheating the game, are you crazy?" Dakich said. "Bo Ryan does the exact opposite. Watch a warm-up. They pass, they catch, they work on skill. That’s not cheating the game. They guard you. That’s not cheating the game. They don’t grab people. I’ve been to a million of their games. They don’t grab people. I don’t walk away from a Wisconsin game saying, ‘Dang did they just mug their opponent?’ I’ve done a million games and I promise you this. I promise you that whatever assistant coach was stupid enough to say that, I promise you – I’m not even in the league, but I’ve watched more of Wisconsin than that guy does – and what he said about them is complete crap. Is that strong enough for you?"

wow, that's just REMARKABLE that Dakich, one of the more unabashed big10 homers there is, would come to the defense of Bucky's clutch and grab.

 

[orangefan13]

I think what this badger team does the best is play smart on defense.
But, despite how smart they are athletic good teams play above their IQ with talent.

 

[Col. Bleep]

Well, it may be true that they will be able to get past whoever is guarding them on the perimeter. However, there WILL be another guy standing there waiting for him, and there will be another guy sinking to help the helper. This Badger team is the best team I've ever seen at anticipation and team defensive positioning. They have to be, because they really aren't all that athletic for a top 25 caliber squad. If your guys keep from barreling into the helper for a charge and are adept at the short pull-up jumper or interior passing, you can use your athleticism to score. If your guys are hell-bent on getting to the bucket, there will be a lot of charges and a lot of whining.

On the other end of the court, as has been said previously, it's all about making 3s. If UW shoots above 42% from beyond the arc, they will win. If they shoot below 33%, they will lose. Anything in between (which is likely), and it could go either way.

This is going to be one of those "grind it out" games.
We had stretch of them...remember?
G-town...UConn...Louisville late in the season.
The difference is this will be a much slower pace against an opponent with fewer offensive weapons...that still runs an efficient offense.
Wisconsin doesn't want to speed up...ever.
Their fast break is running an offensive set in 20 seconds instead of 30.
And they always play solid defense.

It's a mistake to underestimate Wisconsin.
They don't have guys who get a lot of media.
Even their All-American point guard really doesn't.
But this is one of the most difficult teams we'll play all year.

On paper it's easy: extend the zone...defend the 3...take care of the ball...drive and dish...take and make good shots.
Now let's do it.

Thanks for the posts, Badgers.

GO ORANGE!

 

[SmilinBob]

If the badger pg can penetrate and kick out or bounce pass under the basket it's going to cause problems. Or, if Wisconsin can have a big guy at the free throw line and hit J's or pass effectively, it'll hurt. If the refs let Wisconsin block at the elbow to free the pg or allow them to push off/hold at will, we will have problems. Syracuse doesn't need to force a lot of turnovers as long as they can get defensive rebounds and the Orange have to do one or the other to be able to win this game or they will be forced to have a heck of a game offensively to pull this one off.