Baylor/Oklahoma and Oregon/Stanford

[TheCusian]

Stanford had to have everything go perfectly to win at home by six. Good for them. Oregon's offense still outgained them per play but lost turnover battle.

There's something to be said for being totally different than the teams around you. Works well for Stanford. They're the new TCU anomaly

I think spreading it out would make us more different from northeastern schools than emulating Stanford.

I agree with you... I'd love to see us as Oregon east.

But playing devil's advocate:

Stanford has beaten them two years in a row by winning ugly in the trenches. All of the things that make Oregon dangerous become their weaknesses:

1. Quick strike, fast pace - means that you give your opponent more chances to have long drives if you don't move the ball. Your defense gets tired.

2. If you fail to score the 50+ points you're accustomed to, you panic more than a team that grinds.

3. If you play fast you need quick, athletic offensive linemen. If your opponent has bigger, stronger d-line and linebackers - you can't protect your QB.

4. If you can't protect your QB, you are asking for turnovers.

5. Oregon's system doesn't seem to breed toughness. It's dance around rather than run through. Sometimes, when they get hit - they seem to go glass jaw.

 

[Millhouse]

I agree with you... I'd love to see us as Oregon east.

But playing devil's advocate:

Stanford has beaten them two years in a row by winning ugly in the trenches. All of the things that make Oregon dangerous become their weaknesses:

1. Quick strike, fast pace - means that you give your opponent more chances to have long drives if you don't move the ball. Your defense gets tired.

2. If you fail to score the 50+ points you're accustomed to, you panic more than a team that grinds.

3. If you play fast you need quick, athletic offensive linemen. If your opponent has bigger, stronger d-line and linebackers - you can't protect your QB.

4. If you can't protect your QB, you are asking for turnovers.

5. Oregon's system doesn't seem to breed toughness. It's dance around rather than run through. Sometimes, when they get hit - they seem to go glass jaw.

Stanford has a great defense. Meatheads would have a point if they said that having a smashmouth offense might prepare your defense better in practice but that point is too subtle

stanford's defense is top 30 every year.

i think some people love stanford's offense because they have white running backs. it's certainly not about their results on offense

 

[Millhouse]

I agree with you... I'd love to see us as Oregon east.

But playing devil's advocate:

Stanford has beaten them two years in a row by winning ugly in the trenches. All of the things that make Oregon dangerous become their weaknesses:

1. Quick strike, fast pace - means that you give your opponent more chances to have long drives if you don't move the ball. Your defense gets tired.

2. If you fail to score the 50+ points you're accustomed to, you panic more than a team that grinds.

3. If you play fast you need quick, athletic offensive linemen. If your opponent has bigger, stronger d-line and linebackers - you can't protect your QB.

4. If you can't protect your QB, you are asking for turnovers.

5. Oregon's system doesn't seem to breed toughness. It's dance around rather than run through. Sometimes, when they get hit - they seem to go glass jaw.

i don't think they went glass jaw last night and i don't see that they panicked.

that is just tough guy talk. oregon had good drives end in fumbles. good for stanford. when hard nosed teams turn the ball over more than supposed finesse teams, no one says oh snap looks like the tough guys back down from a fight and panic

stanford's good, oregon's good, both defenses were good, and the home team won by a couple field goals

 

[upperdeck]

baylor plays a top 10 team with a top 15 defense and their qb has his shakiest game of the year and they still put up 459 yards

you describing their worst 450 yard games as struggling makes the argument for me

baylor's defense was suprisingly good but i wouldn't say the offense struggled

we have threads today talking about how great stanford's offense was and how baylor struggled on offense. shrug

I thought the Baylor D played really well... I think the Ok coaches panicked.. they were worried about slowing the game down and every time it got tight they tried to run the QB and it was stuffed. it was funny to see the OK dbs make the same mistakes the SU db's did against NW/Clemson and blow simple coverage. the inept Ok offense kept Baylor in the game long enough to start making plays. Ok threw the deep ball like us, that had 5-6 td's there not thrown well. maybe they wish they had Drew back now..

 

[chakka3421]

i don't think they went glass jaw last night and i don't see that they panicked.

that is just tough guy talk. oregon had good drives end in fumbles. good for stanford. when hard nosed teams turn the ball over more than supposed finesse teams, no one says oh snap looks like the tough guys back down from a fight and panic

stanford's good, oregon's good, both defenses were good, and the home team won by a couple field goals

The laugh is on you Millhouse - you simply love watching pu$$y-a$$ football - just admit it.

You have been weighed, you have been measured, and you have been found wanting!

 

[rrlbees]

Interesting. So titles can be edited- but only by administrators.

If you can figure out how a user can edit it, knock yourself out. It's not that "we" don't allow it, it's a tool limitation for some reason unknown to us.


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[cuseincincy]

Manziel would never let his team get shut out. Mariotta is a product of his team's system.

"Mariotta is a product of his team's system." Manziel IS his team's system.

 

[KaiserUEO]

The laugh is on you Millhouse - you simply love watching pu$$y-a$$ football - just admit it.

You have been weighed, you have been measured, and you have been found wanting!

sort of like all of your posts and points.

:crazy:

 

[Alsacs]

Last night told me the following. Baylor is basically Oregon. Oklahoma isn't a great team this year. Their D has improved greatly, but their QB play is atrocious and Baylor's D showed that they miss Landry Jones. OU's D played well against Baylor, but their offense killed them and eventually Baylor scored points. However, I don't think Baylor would beat any of the top 5 teams except Oregon. Congrats to Baylor for the rise as a program, but they beat nobody in the non-conference and beating Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Texas, Texas Tech is not enough for me to see them play for a NC unless they are one of two unbeaten teams.

Oregon are frauds. De'Anthony Thomas and his we shouldn't score less than 40 points crap is hilarious now. Mr. ALL CAPS Black Mamba is lucky his team recovered the 2nd onside kick or they wouldn't have had 40 plays mind less 40 points. Oregon is a team that bullies less talented teams with its superior talent then when they play a team with equal talent poops in its pants. The biggest bully teams in the country these past 10 years are Oregon, Wisconsin, Texas Tech. These teams all have had record offenses and win their fair share of big games and they score video game number points and , but never win it all because teams with equal talent will always beat and they aren't complete. Enjoy the Orange Bowl this year if we get Clemson vs. Oregon because that will be a video game.

 

[Scooch]

My God this is a stupid "debate".

Please, PLEASE, let Syracuse implement a voracious, "soft" offense and let us all bitch about how we go 11-1 every year but lose to Florida State.

I'd take that in a cocaine heartbeat.

:bat:

 

[OttoinGrotto]

My God this is a stupid "debate".

Please, PLEASE, let Syracuse implement a voracious, "soft" offense and let us all bitch about how we go 11-1 every year but lose to Florida State.

I'd take that in a cocaine heartbeat.

:bat:

The thing that irritates me about hearing this from Syracuse fans is that the exact same issues people have with Oregon and Baylor are the exact same criticisms levied against Boeheim for his use of the zone.

Since 2010 Oregon is 44 and 5 (.897 win percentage) with losses to #1 Auburn, #4 LSU, #5 Stanford, #13 Stanford, and unranked USC.

But, meatheads gonna meathead, they're the soft ones doing something wrong with the reputation for getting bullied by power teams because they employ a system that has all kinds of flaws.

 

[rrlbees]

The laugh is on you Millhouse - you simply love watching pu$$y-a$$ football - just admit it.

You have been weighed, you have been measured, and you have been found wanting!

That post says more about you than it does about Millhouse.


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[Alsacs]

The thing that irritates me about hearing this from Syracuse fans is that the exact same issues people have with Oregon and Baylor are the exact same criticisms levied against Boeheim for his use of the zone.

Since 2010 Oregon is 44 and 5 (.897 win percentage) with losses to #1 Auburn, #4 LSU, #5 Stanford, #13 Stanford, and unranked USC.

But, meatheads gonna meathead, they're the soft ones doing something wrong with the reputation for getting bullied by power teams because they employ a system that has all kinds of flaws.

To beat Oregon you need an athletic defense that can match Oregon athlete for athlete I bet those teams you have listed are probably the only teams that have had defensive talent close enough to contain Oregon. I think Oregon is a top 10 program right now, but their system is not the same as JB's zone. Basketball and Football are different in that college basketball is designed to help the underdog beat the favored team with a 40 minute game vs 48 minute NBA game and 35 second shot clock versus a 24 second shot clock. College Football is all about which team has more talent and if teams have close talent then coaching matters. Talent wins out way more in College Football than College Basketball.

In all sports talent matters most in 2 sports NBA and College Football. Upsets happen in each sport, but talent matters the most in these sports because of the disparity of the teams typically isn't close.

 

[Millhouse]

That post says more about you than it does about Millhouse.

oh relax, he's having fun, i got a grin out of it

 

[Millhouse]

Last night told me the following. Baylor is basically Oregon. Oklahoma isn't a great team this year. Their D has improved greatly, but their QB play is atrocious and Baylor's D showed that they miss Landry Jones. OU's D played well against Baylor, but their offense killed them and eventually Baylor scored points. However, I don't think Baylor would beat any of the top 5 teams except Oregon. Congrats to Baylor for the rise as a program, but they beat nobody in the non-conference and beating Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Texas, Texas Tech is not enough for me to see them play for a NC unless they are one of two unbeaten teams.

Oregon are frauds. De'Anthony Thomas and his we shouldn't score less than 40 points crap is hilarious now. Mr. ALL CAPS Black Mamba is lucky his team recovered the 2nd onside kick or they wouldn't have had 40 plays mind less 40 points. Oregon is a team that bullies less talented teams with its superior talent then when they play a team with equal talent poops in its pants. The biggest bully teams in the country these past 10 years are Oregon, Wisconsin, Texas Tech. These teams all have had record offenses and win their fair share of big games and they score video game number points and , but never win it all because teams with equal talent will always beat and they aren't complete. Enjoy the Orange Bowl this year if we get Clemson vs. Oregon because that will be a video game.

losing to the #6 team by 6 on their field makes you a fraud.

stanford ain't winning it all either.

everyone not named alabama is a fraud. frauds all around us

 

[rrlbees]

oh relax, he's having fun, i got a grin out of it

I laughed out loud.


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[KaiserUEO]

oh relax, he's having fun, i got a grin out of it

it wouldve been fun for the pu$$yass football lovers to incognito the smashmouth/meathead football lovers though.

 

[Alsacs]

losing to the #6 team by 6 on their field makes you a fraud.

stanford ain't winning it all either.

everyone not named alabama is a fraud. frauds all around us

They are frauds because they aren't as unbeatable as the media makes them out to be. EVERY SINGLE ESPN analyst I saw hyping this game last night predicted Oregon easily, and I am not saying they aren't a top 10 team I already admitted they are. Oregon is a bully program offense that beats up inferior defense talent that is on the field. When they play teams with equal or close enough defensive talent to their offense then they aren't unbeatable. Stanford is the team ESPN tries to label Clemson on as Clemsoning. Stanford is a good team that Stanfords a game each year against a team they should beat with inferior talent, but they just lose the game.

I like football teams that are like Alabama, Florida State which are all-around and don't resemble video games. Oregon and its spread offense is fun to watch and dominant, but when they play defensive talent that can handle their system which probably is around ten teams in the country then they don't dominate.

I hope Clemson and Florida State win out and we get Oregon vs. Clemson in the Orange Bowl.

 

[DNABB5]

LSU, Auburn, SEC title game. Which one do they lose? If they're gonna lose I hope it's SEC title game.

Auburn will avenge their trees this year.

Deano better like this post.

 

[TheCusian]

i don't think they went glass jaw last night and i don't see that they panicked.

that is just tough guy talk. oregon had good drives end in fumbles. good for stanford. when hard nosed teams turn the ball over more than supposed finesse teams, no one says oh snap looks like the tough guys back down from a fight and panic

stanford's good, oregon's good, both defenses were good, and the home team won by a couple field goals

They got blown off the ball all night. Thought they caved until the 10 minutes of game time. The final score doesn't come close to showing the dominance physically.

It hardly matters - as I was just playing devils advocate, and would take Oregon's "soft" offense in a heartbeat.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

When they play teams with equal or close enough defensive talent to their offense then they aren't unbeatable.

Just to reiterate, since 2010 their losses are to #1, #4, #5, #13 and unranked USC.

Nobody's unbeatable vs those rankings. The one hiccup was to a historical powerhouse. :noidea:

 

[Alsacs]

Just to reiterate, since 2010 their losses are to #1, #4, #5, #13 and unranked USC.

Nobody's unbeatable vs those rankings. The one hiccup was to a historical powerhouse. :noidea:

To add to record USC wasn't unranked. They finished top 5 in the AP Poll they were just ineligible for BCS rankings and weren't in that poll. That USC team outscored Oregon and then that kicker Maldonado missed a chip shot FG to send that game to OT. However, I am not saying they aren't a top 10 team I am just saying people see Oregon's offense and think nobody can ever shut it down. When if you have a good defense which probably only 10 teams in the country have a good DL, decent LBs, and secondary to handle Oregon can shut them down.

 

[Millhouse]

They got blown off the ball all night. Thought they caved until the 10 minutes of game time. The final score doesn't come close to showing the dominance physically.

It hardly matters - as I was just playing devils advocate, and would take Oregon's "soft" offense in a heartbeat.

I am perfectly happy to concede that Stanford is more physically dominant than Oregon.

Last 4 years results

2010
@ Oregon
L 52-31

2011
@ Stanford
L 53-30

2012
@ Oregon
W 17-14

2013
@ Stanford
W 26-20

This fraud stuff (not you) is just impossibly high standards for anything unconventional

 

[Millhouse]

To add to record USC wasn't unranked. They finished top 5 in the AP Poll they were just ineligible for BCS rankings and weren't in that poll. That USC team outscored Oregon and then that kicker Maldonado missed a chip shot FG to send that game to OT. However, I am not saying they aren't a top 10 team I am just saying people see Oregon's offense and think nobody can ever shut it down. When if you have a good defense which probably only 10 teams in the country have a good DL, decent LBs, and secondary to handle Oregon can shut them down.

they made oregon look average but they didn't shut them down

oregon had 5.38 yards per play which would be 53rd in the country against BCS teams for 2013.

 

[Alsacs]

I am perfectly happy to concede that Stanford is more physically dominant than Oregon.

Last 4 years results

2010
@ Oregon
L 52-31

2011
@ Stanford
L 53-30

2012
@ Oregon
W 17-14

2013
@ Stanford
W 26-20

This fraud stuff (not you) is just impossibly high standards for anything unconventional

When I say fraud I mean that they are completely human and not unstoppable like the media portrays them to be. I should clarify it a little. If your a top 10 team you aren't a fraud, but when I hear your unstoppable year in and year out and then I see a team with an athletic defense be able to make you look human 1 time out 12 or 13 times its means your dominant but unstoppable. Oregon is not a fraud I was wrong, but the damn media hype is what drives me to say that.