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[Modern Coac]

Two, right off the top of my head--the City of Boston, and the Catholic connection. They've historically done well recruiting the parochial schools in N. New Jersey and the Cincinnati area.

Yep. BC recruits Jersey and Ohio very well. Very established in both states. Plus, not coincidentally Hafley is a Jersey guy with connections in that state and obviously in Ohio with Ohio State. College FB is all recruiting. This guy is a terrific recruiter. You can't teach his personal style. He was rated as one of the top assistants and recruiters in college FB last season. I believe he finished 2nd in awards ceremony.

Although I disagree with those who think his future is going to Ohio State or Michigan. He was very successful in NFL too. The call he would be looking for is not college. It is an NFL GM offering a HC job. Like Tom Coughlin..

 

[bnoro]

Addazio beat this same Syracuse team 58-27 last year and BC could have scored 100 in that game. They gained 700 yards total and 500 on the ground. It was very sad to watch how easily BC dominated. They sat on ball in last 30 minutes. They did not throw a pass in the 2nd half when Addazio called off the dogs against his old school.

Hafley is a better coach than Addazio and their recruiting is better in 2021. Plus they got big time transfers at QB (ND), WR (Ohio State) and safety (MD)..All 4 star out of HS.. Bring back most of their starters in 2020 and always have the great O Line. That top O Line never changes. I expect BC to be very much improved under Hafley and that is bad news as even Daz reached bowl games in 6 of 7 years.

This is a very tough football conference. Unless you constantly improve you will be left behind quickly. Recruiting dries up fast. Finishing 2-8 or 3-7 this season would be a disaster IMO. Need 5 wins. Minimum. 5-5 would be OK.

I'm terrified of Phil Jurkovec, and his incredible performances in garbage time for ND last year. 222 yards, wow! Or Jaelen Gill and his career stats of 7 catches for 62 yards in 2 seasons. Or Deon Jones, who has 33 tackles and 1 career pass defensed in 2 seasons. All 4 stars out of HS and none of them did anything in college.

You guys are going to miss Addazio.

 

[Modern Coac]

I'm terrified of Phil Jurkovec, and his incredible performances in garbage time for ND last year. 222 yards, wow! Or Jaelen Gill and his career stats of 7 catches for 62 yards in 2 seasons. Or Deon Jones, who has 33 tackles and 1 career pass defensed in 2 seasons. All 4 stars out of HS and none of them did anything in college.

You guys are going to miss Addazio.

You can ridicule Jurkovec stats but he was very heavily recruited and was a big time prospect. His stats were not going to be much because Ian Book started. What did you expect? 3000 yards and 30 TD's as a backup? That makes no sense whatsoever. Gill was injured.

The fact is BC gained 700 yards against this defense and won by 30 + in the Dome with a walkon QB. Embarrassing. IMO, they are going to be very much improved with Jeff Hafley. Good coaching and especially recruiting are vital in CFB. His hire is concerning in an already tough ACC.

 

[bnoro]

You can ridicule Jurkovec stats but he was very heavily recruited and was a big time prospect. His stats were not going to be much because Ian Book started. What did you expect? 3000 yards and 30 TD's as a backup? That makes no sense whatsoever. Gill was injured.

The fact is BC gained 700 yards against this defense and won by 30 + in the Dome with a walkon QB. Embarrassing. IMO, they are going to be very much improved with Jeff Hafley. Good coaching and especially recruiting are vital in CFB. His hire is concerning in an already tough ACC.

Well that's what you, an obvious BC fan, are telling us.

You lost AJ Dillon. That in itself changes everything. I was at Alumni Stadium two years ago when we curb stomped your team. Jeff Hafley has no head coaching experience, so how could you say he's a better coach than Addazio?

Although BC does have a history of getting rid of coaches because they thought they "could do better". Poor Al Skinner.

 

[Modern Coac]

Well that's what you, an obvious BC fan, are telling us.

You lost AJ Dillon. That in itself changes everything. I was at Alumni Stadium two years ago when we curb stomped your team. Jeff Hafley has no head coaching experience, so how could you say he's a better coach than Addazio?

Although BC does have a history of getting rid of coaches because they thought they "could do better". Poor Al Skinner.

Not a BC fan. Just giving facts. I coached and watch college FB. It is my favorite sport and I know it well. . Narduzzi had Pitt improved and Pitt's recruiting is very solid. Rutgers is recruiting well with Schiano who has them already recruiting mid pack in B10. They will improve.

This is a key season. It is all ACC games. Syracuse wants to win 5. This program foes not want to be a bottom feeder in Northeast. The conference is already southern centric

 

[elimunelson]

Not a BC fan. Just giving facts. I coached and watch college FB. It is my favorite sport and I know it well. . Narduzzi had Pitt improved and Pitt's recruiting is very solid. Rutgers is recruiting well with Schiano who has them already recruiting mid pack in B10. They will improve.

This is a key season. It is all ACC games. Syracuse wants to win 5. This program foes not want to be a bottom feeder in Northeast. The conference is already southern centric

I think the point of my initial post was to acknowledge BC is making moves again. They crushed us last year essentially running the same play. Hefley is going to make some waves there. If you think about it, they haven't had a real young hot shot coach since Tom Coughlin. Coach Jags you could argue was the other one and his performance was fantastic in two years.

 

[Modern Coac]

I think the point of my initial post was to acknowledge BC is making moves again. They crushed us last year essentially running the same play. Hefley is going to make some waves there. If you think about it, they haven't had a real young hot shot coach since Tom Coughlin. Coach Jags you could argue was the other one and his performance was fantastic in two years.

Yep. O'Brien had some pretty good teams too. They were in bowls every season. College FB is all about recruiting. Look at Mac Brown. UNC FB was trash when Fedora was fired. Broken. Brown makes turnaround in no time. Big time recruits. VT has slipped recently. Very quickly UNC and UVA have supplanted VT as future Coastal leaders when we return to the division system

As far as Pitt, they got a very good class. #6 ranked in ACC. I expect Pitt to improve and be in contention. Schiano has Rutgers at #8 in B10. Not bad for a coach who took over a train wreck program.

My concern is Syracuse never took advantage of that 10-3 season. The recruiting bump never happened as with Mac Brown. Recruiting is poor. 13th in 24/7. You recruit poorly every season it is very hard to overcome. Just like NFL team drafting poorly.

 

[sutomcat]

Yep. BC recruits Jersey and Ohio very well. Very established in both states. Plus, not coincidentally Hafley is a Jersey guy with connections in that state and obviously in Ohio with Ohio State. College FB is all recruiting. This guy is a terrific recruiter. You can't teach his personal style. He was rated as one of the top assistants and recruiters in college FB last season. I believe he finished 2nd in awards ceremony.

Although I disagree with those who think his future is going to Ohio State or Michigan. He was very successful in NFL too. The call he would be looking for is not college. It is an NFL GM offering a HC job. Like Tom Coughlin..

It is really risky hiring someone as a HC with no experience at the job. It is exceptionally risky to hire someone with no HC experience and only one year of experience as a DC. And that year was an a co-DC.

He was hired because he recruits NJ well. That is his one marketable asset.

A lot of parallels with Ash, only Ash had more experience as a coordinator. One worries why it took Hafley so long to become a DC (or almost a DC).

BC was not willing to spend money and get a proven winner. Every once in a while, these kinds of gambles pay off. It is a shame his first year has been so disrupted by COVID. Any chance he might have had of being successful is probably gone now.
Timing is everything.

 

[bnoro]

Yep. O'Brien had some pretty good teams too. They were in bowls every season. College FB is all about recruiting. Look at Mac Brown. UNC FB was trash when Fedora was fired. Broken. Brown makes turnaround in no time. Big time recruits. VT has slipped recently. Very quickly UNC and UVA have supplanted VT as future Coastal leaders when we return to the division system

As far as Pitt, they got a very good class. #6 ranked in ACC. I expect Pitt to improve and be in contention. Schiano has Rutgers at #8 in B10. Not bad for a coach who took over a train wreck program.

My concern is Syracuse never took advantage of that 10-3 season. The recruiting bump never happened as with Mac Brown. Recruiting is poor. 13th in 24/7. You recruit poorly every season it is very hard to overcome. Just like NFL team drafting poorly.

Who are you a fan of then? It's not SU.

Complaining about recruiting, spelling Mack Brown's name wrong, hitting on the same points of "Syracuse not taking advantage of 10-3". This is a General Joe burner account, isn't it?

 

[Modern Coac]

Who are you a fan of then? It's not SU.

Complaining about recruiting, spelling Mack Brown's name wrong, hitting on the same points of "Syracuse not taking advantage of 10-3". This is a General Joe burner account, isn't it?

It is Syracuse. But I don't live in a cave and I follow recruiting closely and the progress of other programs and conferences. Spelling Brown's name wrong? A thousand apologies. You can't be serious.

You just want to look at things through orange tinted glasses. I coached for many years. I don't review pro or college teams through just fandom. You have to be objective. Consistent bad recruiting leaves programs damaged.

 

[Modern Coac]

It is really risky hiring someone as a HC with no experience at the job. It is exceptionally risky to hire someone with no HC experience and only one year of experience as a DC. And that year was an a co-DC.

He was hired because he recruits NJ well. That is his one marketable asset.

A lot of parallels with Ash, only Ash had more experience as a coordinator. One worries why it took Hafley so long to become a DC (or almost a DC).

BC was not willing to spend money and get a proven winner. Every once in a while, these kinds of gambles pay off. It is a shame his first year has been so disrupted by COVID. Any chance he might have had of being successful is probably gone now.
Timing is everything.

I believe he is only 40. That is not old

 

[sutomcat]

I believe he is only 40. That is not old

I didn't say he was old. He has been coaching at the college level for 20 years. It took 19 years to get a co coordinator position. That is a long time in a coaching career.

It look Dino 14 years to get a coordinator position, which I consider an unusually long time. But Dino had to fight racism to get his chance to step up and get that level of responsibility.

I just pointed out that his coaching career is not the normal progression you see for a HC. There are late bloomers out there and maybe he will prove all the HCs who passed him over for the big promotions wrong.

Time will tell.

 

[TheCusian]

Addazio beat this same Syracuse team 58-27 last year and BC could have scored 100 in that game. They gained 700 yards total and 500 on the ground. It was very sad to watch how easily BC dominated. They sat on ball in last 30 minutes. They did not throw a pass in the 2nd half when Addazio called off the dogs against his old school.

Hafley is a better coach than Addazio and their recruiting is better in 2021. Plus they got big time transfers at QB (ND), WR (Ohio State) and safety (MD)..All 4 star out of HS.. Bring back most of their starters in 2020 and always have the great O Line. That top O Line never changes. I expect BC to be very much improved under Hafley and that is bad news as even Daz reached bowl games in 6 of 7 years.

This is a very tough football conference. Unless you constantly improve you will be left behind quickly. Recruiting dries up fast. Finishing 2-8 or 3-7 this season would be a disaster IMO. Need 5 wins. Minimum. 5-5 would be OK.

Yep.

But the year before? 42-21 Syracuse. Dungey trucked a guy into oblivion. 559 total yds, 10 more first downs, etc, etc.

Hafley's record as HC is what now? 0-0. How do we know that top OL never changes? Dazzler was a great OL coach.

I agree it's a tough conference. That's why I don't get the un-earned respect.

 

[TheCusian]

Two, right off the top of my head--the City of Boston, and the Catholic connection. They've historically done well recruiting the parochial schools in N. New Jersey and the Cincinnati area.

Agreed on that. I do think that's an advantage. But if we do this long enough we can identify pretty much an offset for every advantage, historically. Our head to head bears that out.

 

[TheCusian]

I think the point of my initial post was to acknowledge BC is making moves again. They crushed us last year essentially running the same play. Hefley is going to make some waves there. If you think about it, they haven't had a real young hot shot coach since Tom Coughlin. Coach Jags you could argue was the other one and his performance was fantastic in two years.

I think you'd do well to apply the same scrutiny you apply to our program as you do theirs. He's a first year HC in a very tough conference experiencing the bump in excitement every 1st year HC gets when they follow a longtime guy.

I get that it's looking good. But we were through the moon when we hired Babers and it's been up and down. I still believe in Dino, but it's clear *every* NE coach is going uphill in CFB.

 

[elimunelson]

I think you'd do well to apply the same scrutiny you apply to our program as you do theirs. He's a first year HC in a very tough conference experiencing the bump in excitement every 1st year HC gets when they follow a longtime guy.

I get that it's looking good. But we were through the moon when we hired Babers and it's been up and down. I still believe in Dino, but it's clear *every* NE coach is going uphill in CFB.

I don't support boston college anymore. i don't scrutinize them, just recognize their hiring and think it <could> be a decent one. I live in Boston and i'm deluged with BC fans so i hear the back and forth. They are enthusiastic about Jeff.

As for hoops, they are LESS than enthused that Christian is still there. They are pining for GMAC for that job

 

[Modern Coac]

Yep.

But the year before? 42-21 Syracuse. Dungey trucked a guy into oblivion. 559 total yds, 10 more first downs, etc, etc.

Hafley's record as HC is what now? 0-0. How do we know that top OL never changes? Dazzler was a great OL coach.

I agree it's a tough conference. That's why I don't get the un-earned respect.

That is the problem. It was all Dungey. That is the 10-3 record right there. One key player, the QB, had a terrific season and propelled the team to 10 wins. Eric was great. But he is gone. I see none of the same qualities in Devito. Perhaps he develops. Perhaps not. This season is critical.

But the other 3 seasons Dino is only 13-23. This is a big year. I think 5-5 would be fine. It is all confetence games. Which makes things tougher. But say we get 2-8 or 3-7. That is four bad years out of 5. It will be hard to point to recruits there is light at end of tunnel. You can try to sell it, but will they buy it?

 

[TheCusian]

That is the problem. It was all Dungey. That is the 10-3 record right there. One key player, the QB, had a terrific season and propelled the team to 10 wins. Eric was great. But he is gone. I see none of the same qualities in Devito. Perhaps he develops. Perhaps not. This season is critical.

But the other 3 seasons Dino is only 13-23. This is a big year. I think 5-5 would be fine. It is all confetence games. Which makes things tougher. But say we get 2-8 or 3-7. That is four bad years out of 5. It will be hard to point to recruits there is light at end of tunnel. You can try to sell it, but will they buy it?

Psst. This conversation was about Hay-fly who is 0-0. When he has a 10 win season we can talk about how and why he did so well.

 

[Alsacs]

That is the problem. It was all Dungey. That is the 10-3 record right there. One key player, the QB, had a terrific season and propelled the team to 10 wins. Eric was great. But he is gone. I see none of the same qualities in Devito. Perhaps he develops. Perhaps not. This season is critical.

But the other 3 seasons Dino is only 13-23. This is a big year. I think 5-5 would be fine. It is all confetence games. Which makes things tougher. But say we get 2-8 or 3-7. That is four bad years out of 5. It will be hard to point to recruits there is light at end of tunnel. You can try to sell it, but will they buy it?

Dungey wasn’t why we went 10-3.
He was a big part of it but the defense dominated Florida State and held them to 7 points.
DeVito came off the bench and won the North Carolina game the same year.

2018 was the entire team.

Dino inherited no depth.
That is what he has spent the most time rebuilding.

 

[Modern Coac]

Dungey wasn’t why we went 10-3.
He was a big part of it but the defense dominated Florida State and held them to 7 points.
DeVito came off the bench and won the North Carolina game the same year.

2018 was the entire team.

Dino inherited no depth.
That is what he has spent the most time rebuilding.

This is Year 5. It is too late to blame Shafer. Winning now is a must for recruiting

 

[Alsacs]

This is Year 5. It is too late to blame Shafer. Winning now is a must for recruiting

Scott Shafer set Syracuse back a decade.

It’s not too late to blame him.
Dino has guys who will leave early this year and get drafted next draft.

Dino deserves criticism for 2019 but he isn’t the problem. Hiring Greg Robinson set us back and then hiring Scott Shafer after Marrone set us back.
Syracuse doesn’t recruit top talent in football.
Our recruiting still isn’t elite but under Dino has gotten.

 

[elimunelson]

Scott Shafer set Syracuse back a decade.

It’s not too late to blame him.
Dino has guys who will leave early this year and get drafted next draft.

Dino deserves criticism for 2019 but he isn’t the problem. Hiring Greg Robinson set us back and then hiring Scott Shafer after Marrone set us back.
Syracuse doesn’t recruit top talent in football.
Our recruiting still isn’t elite but under Dino has gotten.

Set us back from what? I've seen enough Syracuse football to realize we are not what we were when the going was good (the 90s). I don't think he was a good HC but to suggest he put us into this purgatory is disingenuous about what we think we can be in the ACC.

Once we joined the ACC the going got MUCH MUCH tougher. Add in the fact that our recruiting base is shrinking it's going to be tough for any HC (absent Nick Saban) to get this machine humming like Pasqualoni in 1992

 

[Modern Coac]

Set us back from what? I've seen enough Syracuse football to realize we are not what we were when the going was good (the 90s). I don't think he was a good HC but to suggest he put us into this purgatory is disingenuous about what we think we can be in the ACC.

Once we joined the ACC the going got MUCH MUCH tougher. Add in the fact that our recruiting base is shrinking it's going to be tough for any HC (absent Nick Saban) to get this machine humming like Pasqualoni in 1992

Blaming Shafer is simply excuse making. This is Year 5 of a new regime. Gimme a break. Shafer recruited Dungey. That recruit played the biggest role in the 10-3 season.To blame Shafer at this point is silly and trying to pass the buck.

The ACC has been getting tougher for several years. The main weakness of ACC has really been at QB. Otherwise, the draftable talent is 2nd to SEC only. There have been some very good QB's in ACC... NFL talent types..Watson, Winston, Lawrence, etc ..but just not as much as some other P5 conferences

 

[sutomcat]

Blaming Shafer is simply excuse making. This is Year 5 of a new regime. Gimme a break. Shafer recruited Dungey. That recruit played the biggest role in the 10-3 season.To blame Shafer at this point is silly and trying to pass the buck.

The ACC has been getting tougher for several years. The main weakness of ACC has really been at QB. Otherwise, the draftable talent is 2nd to SEC only. There have been some very good QB's in ACC... NFL talent types..Watson, Winston, Lawrence, etc ..but just not as much as some other P5 conferences

So over the last 7 years, the ACC has produced 3 QBs who have won the Heisman:

Winston, Watson and Lamar Jackson, and unless something crazy happens, Trevor Lawrence is going to win it this year.

How many other conferences are producing great QBs like the ACC?

If you want to talk about 3rd and 4th best QBs, maybe you have an argument. The ACC has been extraordinary producing star QBs.

Over the last 4 years, the ACC is tied for 2nd among conferences producing NFL QBs.

https://n./news/nfl-draft-which-conference-produced-most-qbs-over-last-4-years-

In terms of QBs currently starting in the NFL, the ACC has 7. I believe that is the most in the NFL.

List of starting quarterbacks in the NFL - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[NKR1978]

It is really risky hiring someone as a HC with no experience at the job. It is exceptionally risky to hire someone with no HC experience and only one year of experience as a DC. And that year was an a co-DC.

He was hired because he recruits NJ well. That is his one marketable asset.

A lot of parallels with Ash, only Ash had more experience as a coordinator. One worries why it took Hafley so long to become a DC (or almost a DC).

BC was not willing to spend money and get a proven winner. Every once in a while, these kinds of gambles pay off. It is a shame his first year has been so disrupted by COVID. Any chance he might have had of being successful is probably gone now.
Timing is everything.

I know a couple teams with co-DC's as head coaches. That didn't work for either of them.