Bell is 43% from three in conference games last year and this year combined

[SUalldway]

Mintz created open shots for Bell and got him the ball in position for him to catch and shoot. There's no PG this year who can create shots for him and designing screens to get him open is not a strength of this coach. He's a defensive liability in a m2m. Which is strange because he has athleticism. JB recruited him to play in a zone where he wouldn't be so exposed.

What Bell gives you on offense is more than taken away by his inability/lack of willingness to play D

 

[OttoinGrotto]

Bell looks like he’s turning down shots this year because he doesn’t want to see his percentage go down. He’s really only taking them when he’s wide open. The lack of shots is mostly on him.

This is a perfect Bell post.

It couldn't be because he's not as confident as he once was, even though he's definitely seemed in his head this season compared to last.

He's passing up shots because of a character flaw where he doesn't want to put up shots that risk his already unimpressive three point shooting percentage.

I mean, maybe that is the case. But it's just WILD how Bell's play gets interpreted.

 

[Millhouse]

designing screens to get him open is not a strength of this coach.

Agree. Trying to figure out what autry does well.

 

[SUFan44]

Agree. Trying to figure out what autry does well.

Not much.

But both of these things can be true:

-Adrian Autry stinks as a head coach and doesn't put his players in a position to succeed, specifically Chris Bell.
-Chris Bell stinks and doesn't put himself in a position to succeed.

They're not mutually exclusive. Would the first impact the second in a positive way? Maybe. But I haven't seen enough evidence of the second happening on a consistent basis such that I can make an informed opinion on the first.

 

[Cusefan0307]

This is a perfect Bell post.

It couldn't be because he's not as confident as he once was, even though he's definitely seemed in his head this season compared to last.

He's passing up shots because of a character flaw where he doesn't want to put up shots that risk his already unimpressive three point shooting percentage.

I mean, maybe that is the case. But it's just WILD how Bell's play gets interpreted.

I had predicted Bell was going to be our leading scorer this year and make around 100 3’s based on chatter he had got better in the offseason and the fact he finished last year quite strong. My disappointment probably has more to do with him not meeting those expectations.

Any chance of us being good required him to make a leap. We were never going to be successful with JJ being the lead guy being as inefficient as he is.

Am I being to harsh in saying he’s basically Mookie Jones forced to play big minutes on this team?

 

[SUFan44]

I had predicted Bell was going to be our leading scorer this year and make around 100 3’s based on chatter he had got better in the offseason and the fact he finished last year quite strong. My disappointment probably has more to do with him not meeting those expectations.

Any chance of us being good required him to make a leap. We were never going to be successful with JJ being the lead guy being as inefficient as he is.

Am I being to harsh in saying he’s basically Mookie Jones forced to play big minutes on this team?

No, not being harsh at all.

The fact that Jones never played a meaningful game at SU while Bell has been a 3-year starter tells you everything you need to know about where we are with our roster composition.

 

[Millhouse]

Not much.

But both of these things can be true:

-Adrian Autry stinks as a head coach and doesn't put his players in a position to succeed, specifically Chris Bell.
-Chris Bell stinks and doesn't put himself in a position to succeed.

Would the first impact the second in a positive way? Maybe.

The answer isn't maybe, it's "of course"

 

[SUFan44]

The answer isn't maybe, it's "of course"

I think the answer to the way Autry would get Chris Bell in better positions to succeed would be by holding him accountable for his actions as soon as he took over the program, and light a fire under him to be engaged 100% of the time he is on the court.

Drawing up better plays (which I believe you think would also work) only works if all of the players are on the same page or do the things needed to make the play work. Even if there were better plays being drawn up, I still don't think it's going to make a serious impact in the number of shots Chris Bell gets from three-point range. Because HE IS NOT ENGAGED.

All of this would be moot if we had better players that wouldn't allow Chris Bell to get 20-35 minutes per game. Which we don't have, and goes right back to the Autry problem -- which we both agree is a serious problem.

 

[Forza Azzurri]

It's an incredible failure that he doesn't even take 4 of them a game.

The rest of the team is shooting .312 in conference. He's .421

Bell needs to shoot more than 19% of the three point shots.

Bell drives me nuts too. But with these bricklayers, you have to get him shots. And this offense does nothing to make that happen.

In addition, Cuffe, shooting 28% from 3, takes the most 3s per minute on the floor.

And Starling, also shooting 28% from 3, has taken the most 3s.

Add in a defense that ranks in the high 200s or the 300s in most defensive categories and it is bad offense, awful defense.

And, finally, couple that with an NIL situation that, from all accounts on this board, has been a disaster and it is a small wonder that the program is where it is...

But I still do watch every game.

And much respect to Bill Orange whom I see sitting in his seat at just about every game.

 

[Chip]

JJ could have kicked it out to him a few times at the end of the UNC game when the D collapsed on him driving. But he chose to go up with it nonetheless. Luckily he was often fouled so we got points on the possessions.

If you’re not going to let Bell do the only thing he can do then he’s basically a total liability on the court.

One thing JB passed down to Red is that the best player gets to do whatever he wants. Makes me miss the Carmelo year more and more and more.

 

[Newhouser]

JJ could have kicked it out to him a few times at the end of the UNC game when the D collapsed on him driving. But he chose to go up with it nonetheless. Luckily he was often fouled so we got points on the possessions.

If you’re not going to let Bell do the only thing he can do then he’s basically a total liability on the court.

One thing JB passed down to Red is that the best player gets to do whatever he wants. Makes me miss the Carmelo year more and more and more.

JJ is not a sharer and Bell doesn't work hard enough to get open. I do think Bells mid range game has improved this year, but he's too dependent on others to impact the game. JJ and Red are not the people to solve that.

 

[Millhouse]

In addition, Cuffe, shooting 28% from 3, takes the most 3s per minute on the floor.

And Starling, also shooting 28% from 3, has taken the most 3s.

Add in a defense that ranks in the high 200s or the 300s in most defensive categories and it is bad offense, awful defense.

And, finally, couple that with an NIL situation that, from all accounts on this board, has been a disaster and it is a small wonder that the program is where it is...

But I still do watch every game.

And much respect to Bill Orange whom I see sitting in his seat at just about every game.

Cuffe was fine last year at 34%. The point guard play is so bad it's making people miss mintz.

The offense is so slow and old. When the ball goes in to Davis or Lampkin, the possession is over (good or bad)

They have better assists per forty than cuffe Taylor and Bell. So stagnant

 

[Millhouse]

I think the answer to the way Autry would get Chris Bell in better positions to succeed would be by holding him accountable for his actions as soon as he took over the program, and light a fire under him to be engaged 100% of the time he is on the court.

Drawing up better plays (which I believe you think would also work) only works if all of the players are on the same page or do the things needed to make the play work. Even if there were better plays being drawn up, I still don't think it's going to make a serious impact in the number of shots Chris Bell gets from three-point range. Because HE IS NOT ENGAGED.

All of this would be moot if we had better players that wouldn't allow Chris Bell to get 20-35 minutes per game. Which we don't have, and goes right back to the Autry problem -- which we both agree is a serious problem.

I would like to see them try running an offense to prove he's too disengaged

 

[SUFan44]

I would like to see them try running an offense to prove he's too disengaged

Unfortunately you won’t see that for at least another year and a half.

 

[Millhouse]

Unfortunately you won’t see that for at least another year and a half.

It's just hard to believe autry has this much time to prepare and the game plan is for mintz and junior mintz to go get fouled a lot

 

[OttoinGrotto]

I had predicted Bell was going to be our leading scorer this year and make around 100 3’s based on chatter he had got better in the offseason and the fact he finished last year quite strong. My disappointment probably has more to do with him not meeting those expectations.

Any chance of us being good required him to make a leap. We were never going to be successful with JJ being the lead guy being as inefficient as he is.

Am I being to harsh in saying he’s basically Mookie Jones forced to play big minutes on this team?

Yeah, I think that's too harsh. Bell playing well last season generally correlated to us winning, and he made a lot of big shots that either brought us back or kept/extended leads.

The program hasn't done much winning in Bell's time here, but when we have won he's contributed to it. Mookie never really made any impact.

 

[djcon57]

Yeah, I think that's too harsh. Bell playing well last season generally correlated to us winning, and he made a lot of big shots that either brought us back or kept/extended leads.

The program hasn't done much winning in Bell's time here, but when we have won he's contributed to it. Mookie never really made any impact.

I think the point is Mookie Jones was on teams that went to the tourney every year.
2 Sweet 16s and an Elite 8.

If he played the mins Bell does in place of like Waiters, we prob wouldnt have been as good

 

[Cuse4403]

I would argue this point until I am blue in the face, and have, Chris Bell isn't a great shooter. He's a very streaky shooter that gets hot and shoots very well when he is wide open. He can't create his own shot, he can't run off screens and shoot the ball, he's simply a spot up shooter. As someone else sort of alluded to here, his percentage is outstanding in some cases because of the shots he takes. The degree of difficulty on his makes is not very high. The amount of times he takes a difficult or contested three is very low. This is somewhat shown when you take into account he has 35 made threes in 26 games this year, 1.3 per game. He also has 16 games this year (61%) when he's made 0 or 1 three. 34% of the time he did not make a single three in a game this season.

 

[Cusefan0307]

Yeah, I think that's too harsh. Bell playing well last season generally correlated to us winning, and he made a lot of big shots that either brought us back or kept/extended leads.

The program hasn't done much winning in Bell's time here, but when we have won he's contributed to it. Mookie never really made any impact.

Mookie was anywhere from the 8th to the 11th guy on very good teams during his time here. I’m not sure Bell is any better than that on a team of similar caliber. If we had 3 of CJ Fair, Kris Joseph, James Southerland, Wes Johnson, or Paul Harris on this team Bell wouldn’t play over any of them either.

 

[longtimefan]

I agree. Unfortunately, Bell stands around. He needs someone to get shots for him. Which Judah, JJ, Copeland, and Maliq did last year.

No one cares if Carlos drives. If they double Eddie, they'll leave Carlos or Davis/Petar wide open, not Bell.

I wish they would do more two man game with Bell and Eddie, but Bell can't dribble or throw an entry pass, so kind of hard to get that started.

Bell just doesn't know how to play basketball.

To me, this is the bottom line.

On a related topic--Petar is in many ways the anti-Chris Bell.

 

[Millhouse]

I would argue this point until I am blue in the face, and have, Chris Bell isn't a great shooter. He's a very streaky shooter that gets hot and shoots very well when he is wide open. He can't create his own shot, he can't run off screens and shoot the ball, he's simply a spot up shooter. As someone else sort of alluded to here, his percentage is outstanding in some cases because of the shots he takes. The degree of difficulty on his makes is not very high. The amount of times he takes a difficult or contested three is very low. This is somewhat shown when you take into account he has 35 made threes in 26 games this year, 1.3 per game. He also has 16 games this year (61%) when he's made 0 or 1 three. 34% of the time he did not make a single three in a game this season.

good offenses get good spot up shooters more shots with lower degree of difficulty

the last thing we need is another guy trying to create his own shot

i want an offense that has more open shots and less hero ball

 

[NineOneSeven]

good offenses get good spot up shooters more shots with lower degree of difficulty

the last thing we need is another guy trying to create his own shot

i want an offense that has more open shots and less hero ball

How about sitting him when he’s finally on a heater? Best I can do

 

[Millhouse]

How about sitting him when he’s finally on a heater? Best I can do

Starling really wanted to lead the team in attempts and just fell short

Bell is .449 in conference and is 32nd in the acc in attempts in conference games

Starling is top 10 in attempts shooting .282

Anal ytics

 

[Millhouse]

To me, this is the bottom line.

On a related topic--Petar is in many ways the anti-Chris Bell.

2.7 ppg in conference

 

[tbonezone]

if you look at 3pg% in ACC conference games and throw out the dudes who take less than 2 per (rounded) he's ranked 11th at .449 % . scroll over next and if you look up the rebounds per game of that group and he's last at 1.4 rbdavg. All the other "marksman" are in the 2-6 boards range. it is possible to do both given his height and hops . viktor lakhin snags 6.3 and taylor bowen 5.4 a game i.e. and they both shoot a higher percentage deep than bell. so what good is 50 % when you bring absolutely nothing else ? last night he shot 7/12 and we lost big . too bad he's earning his bench time on the defensive end.