Bell needs to step it up

[FireballPhil]

I personally think everyone needs to ease up on Bell. Granted he hasn't been as involved as we think he should be, but I suspect that is in part by design, trying to get everyone else comfortable. Bell has actually improved his game offensively, it looks like he has been working with someone trying to expand his game. I am actually quite shocked that he has shown more to his game. Defensively, everyone lets their guy get past them frequently, Bell has shown his tenacity to still stick with his guy and try to block it from behind. Bell is very serviceable, but the team needs to start working at getting him more looks. I suspect we will. As bad as it is barely squeaking by these teams, they have been getting a lot of very valuable experience. I see improvement in the team, Red looks like he is figuring out rotations. I think the team that shows up in NYC will look a lot different. I worry about Carlos and Lucas, and to a certain extent Eddie. We will find out soon enough.

 

[MikeSU02]

This year, 40.5% from the floor, including 22.2% from three. Awful. Doesn’t mean he can’t turn it around.

His PER, while it’s early, is three percentage points below what an average player would be.

I wouldn’t use it because it’s early, but he’s 8th on the team in DBPM and 7th in BPM, overall.

His rebounding % is basically the same as last year. His assist % is slightly up, which makes sense since Judah isn’t dominating the ball so much. But for a guy playing 34mpg, getting 3.3 boards and 1.3 apg isn’t great. Someone has to get stats and he is basically getting a minimal amount against his minutes.

Last game, he scored 9 points on 13 shots. Insane inefficiency. For the year he’s basically 14 points on 12 FGA per game. And that’s only going to get harder with our competition.

Last year everything was blamed on the guys that were tabbed as trouble. Fine.

But there is no wishing away Chris Bell’s troubles. He’s a junior. We just played three awful teams.

For those that think he’s doing ok, great. Can’t wait to see how we do in our next five games. Should become abundantly clear.

 

[cusefan88]

Bell is so hard on himself. Wish he would relax and let the game come to him. He's his biggest enemy. If he can cool it and stay calm he'll be fine.

 

[baggerbob]

agreed. It just frosts me that this kid has so much talent but doesn't seem to have the desire. My sense is he has been coddled too much when he should have been challenged. He would be better off with a mentor coach like Fran than Red.

Look if Bell didn't ever show any of the other abilities, then fine, but he has shown he can do the other things at times.
As a 3rd year starter he needs to step up and do all these things to help the team.
At this stage of his career, there are no more excuses.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

This year, 40.5% from the floor, including 22.2% from three. Awful. Doesn’t mean he can’t turn it around.

His PER, while it’s early, is three percentage points below what an average player would be.

I wouldn’t use it because it’s early, but he’s 8th on the team in DBPM and 7th in BPM, overall.

His rebounding % is basically the same as last year. His assist % is slightly up, which makes sense since Judah isn’t dominating the ball so much. But for a guy playing 34mpg, getting 3.3 boards and 1.3 apg isn’t great. Someone has to get stats and he is basically getting a minimal amount against his minutes.

Last game, he scored 9 points on 13 shots. Insane inefficiency. For the year he’s basically 14 points on 12 FGA per game. And that’s only going to get harder with our competition.

Last year everything was blamed on the guys that were tabbed as trouble. Fine.

But there is no wishing away Chris Bell’s troubles. He’s a junior. We just played three awful teams.

For those that think he’s doing ok, great. Can’t wait to see how we do in our next five games. Should become abundantly clear.

I think he just hasn't found his shot yet. The percentages make that a pretty obvious statement.

 

[Cheriehoop]

I think he just hasn't found his shot yet. The percentages make that a pretty obvious statement.

I’m surprised but I haven’t really seen any sets, screens specifically run for him - maybe I’ve missed them? I have seen Eddie find him a few times but yesterday when JJ was going off - Bell often was standing alone after his defender ran inside to give help on JJ. Maybe Chris was a decoy to help give JJ the room to drive since he was being covered and his defender was consistently late sucking in to give help. I do agree with Cusefan88 about his frustration when he misses. Red mentioned that in an article that he is very hard on himself and expects that he should be making every shot he takes. Red said he has talked to him about being able to shake off and forget about any missed shots. It’s what drives me nuts (or nuttier) is the bashing that goes on here when there’s no one who cares more about their performance than the players themselves and their coaches. .

 

[Bayside44]

First, I'm surprised that Bell isn't all world since I was told all his problems were because he was playing with Judah and Benny and the other malcontents on team Cobra Kai last year.

Second, he cannot play defense. That ship has sailed.

Yeah, he may be able to dribble a bit more than last year, when he was a two-dribble player. He may be a four-dribble player now. Congrats. It's his third year.

He is what he is. He had 9 points on 13 shots yesterday and, again, cannot play D.

It's over.

[EDIT: I have to note, I was super bullish on Bell making a leap this year. I have to take the L on that]

I'm gonna regret this, but...how many dribbles is a 6'8" guy supposed to take?

 

[althea]

I'm gonna regret this, but...how many dribbles is a 6'8" guy supposed to take?

I don’t know the answer to this but I will make an attempt to derail this thread.
I thought Donnie Freeman looked comfortable dribbling for someone that’s pushing 6.10.

 

[Niastri]

I'm gonna regret this, but...how many dribbles is a 6'8" guy supposed to take?

I think the over/under is 4.5 per possession, with a total of 115.5.

Bell is clearly under performing in the dribbles per possession and dribbles per game departments.

 

[Sherman20]

I’m surprised but I haven’t really seen any sets, screens specifically run for him - maybe I’ve missed them? I have seen Eddie find him a few times but yesterday when JJ was going off - Bell often was standing alone after his defender ran inside to give help on JJ. Maybe Chris was a decoy to help give JJ the room to drive since he was being covered and his defender was consistently late sucking in to give help. I do agree with Cusefan88 about his frustration when he misses. Red mentioned that in an article that he is very hard on himself and expects that he should be making every shot he takes. Red said he has talked to him about being able to shake off and forget about any missed shots. It’s what drives me nuts (or nuttier) is the bashing that goes on here when there’s no one who cares more about their performance than the players themselves and their coaches. .

I’ve just ignored a slew of people on here this week, which I’ve only done to one poster in all the years I’ve posted here. Their incessant negativity after only 3 games is unbearable and it’s making this place a pretty unappealing place to visit.

 

[cardiac]

I’m actually encouraged that Bell is averaging 14 points and has only hit 4 threes. He’s too good of a shooter for them not to fall and I thought he's looked better effort wise

 

[Cheriehoop]

I’m actually encouraged that Bell is averaging 14 points and has only hit 4 threes. He’s too good of a shooter for them not to fall and I thought he's looked better effort wise

Agree. He’s shooting 58% from 2 - so he’s shooting more from the inside on dribble drives than from the 3 point line and doing it well. I don’t understand all this dribble criticism stuff regarding him. It doesn’t make sense to me. He’s not just standing on the perimeter shooting 3’s, he’s now driving to the basket, beating his defender off the dribble and that’s bad to some people? He’s only had 3 turnovers this season despite handling the ball much more, so again I just don’t get it. He needs to get his 3 point shooting on track and I’m hoping to see some sets to help free him to do that and get in a rhythm again because defenders aren’t going to forget him.

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[two3zone]

I don’t know the answer to this but I will make an attempt to derail this thread.
I thought Donnie Freeman looked comfortable dribbling for someone that’s pushing 6.10.

He picked up his dribble any time someone came within 8 feet of him in the open floor.

 

[tipphill]

Not a great start to the season for him. We need more out of him if we have any chance at beating a good team.

its a wose start for autry . he seems lost no cohesion

 

[althea]

He picked up his dribble any time someone came within 8 feet of him in the open floor.

Who’s ‘he’? I need to know which player you are crapping on here, again.

 

[two3zone]

Who’s ‘he’? I need to know which player you are crapping on here, again.

Saying someone picks up their dribble when someone gets close to them is crapping on them?

 

[jordoo]

Bell is so hard on himself. Wish he would relax and let the game come to him. He's his biggest enemy. If he can cool it and stay calm he'll be fine.

Yes he has yet to learn that ones greatest enemy is with in, just as ones greatest victories are with in. Its a shame that he is letting the frustration with his poor 3pt shooting effect rest of his game as there are obvious examples in all three games of the work he has put into other areas. I feel like as soon as he hits two 3's in a row he will be off and running.

 

[althea]

Saying someone picks up their dribble when someone gets close to them is crapping on them?

That depends on who are you referring to?

 

[two3zone]

That depends on who are you referring to?

Donnie

 

[GoSU96]

Not a great start to the season for him. We need more out of him if we have any chance at beating a good team.

If he”s not hitting in the mid 40”s what is his purpose?

 

[kcsu]

If he”s not hitting in the mid 40”s what is his purpose?

Defense

 

[Scooch]

Not a great start to the season for him. We need more out of him if we have any chance at beating a good team.

Do we? I mean, I guess we do if the plan is for him to contribute in multiple ways.

Maybe he’s not that guy though. Would it be the worst thing if he’s just a knock down 3 point shooter who plays adequate defense? Maybe the latter isn’t likely, who knows.

 

[kcsu]

I think he just hasn't found his shot yet. The percentages make that a pretty obvious statement.

He's playing tight.

 

[kcsu]

He’s improved in every phase. Rebounding, defense, puts the ball on the floor, drives to the basket, etc. things he rarely did. Even has had a couple real nice assists each game. He’s not just a stand still shooter.

He has for sure which is a good sign. I hoped that he would take on a leadership role. So far he doesn't look to have matured. Im sure Red is doing everything possible to motivate him but at some point he has to buckle down, grow up and become a leader. Hopefully soon.

 

[djcon57]

He’s improved in every phase. Rebounding, defense, puts the ball on the floor, drives to the basket, etc. things he rarely did. Even has had a couple real nice assists each game. He’s not just a stand still shooter.

Bruh.