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(I started putting this together when both the Packers and Colts were “perfect”)
With the Packers and the Colts charging toward perfection in opposite directions the question naturally comes up: how do they rate vs. the best and the worst teams in pro football history?
One way to look at that is to look at their won lost records.
Eight teams have completed the regular season without being defeated. The first four of them played before the NFL split into divisions and began having championship games and all played ties:
1920 Akron Pros 8 wins 0 losses, 3 ties
1922 Canton Bulldogs 10 wins 0 losses 2 ties
1923 Canton Bulldogs 11 wins 0 losses 1 tie
1929 Green Bay Packers 12 wins 0 losses 1 tie
Two Chicago Bear teams won all their regular season games but lost in the NFL title game:
1934 Chicago Bears 13-0-0 Lost to the New York Giants, 13-30 in the title game.
1942 Chicago Bears 11-0-0 Lost to the Washington Redskins 6-14 in the NFL title game.
One team from the All-America Conference ran the table:
1948 Cleveland Browns 14-0-0 Beat the Buffalo Bills 49-7 in the AAFC title game.
And one team did it in the NFL:
1972 Miami Dolphins 14-0-0 Beat the Cleveland Browns, 20-14, the Pittsburgh Steelers 21-17 and then the Washington Redskins 14-7 in the Super Bowl.
Then there was:
2007 New England Patriots 16-0-0 Beat the Jacksonville Jaguars 31-20 and the San Diego Chargers 21-12 but lost to the New York Giants 14-17 in the Super Bowl.
Now we have the Packers and it will be interesting to see how far they can go.
On the other end of the scale we have the teams that lost all their games. Many of the early teams that went winless also went out of business before their schedule was completed. I’ll include teams from the pre championship games era only if they played as many games as the team that “won the pennant”, (there were none). From the first championship game, (1933), I’ll include them unless they clearly played less games than the other teams and don’t appear in the next year’s standings.
1942 Detroit Lions 0-11-0
1943 Chicago Cardinals 0-10-0
1944 Brooklyn Tigers 0-10-0
1944 Card-Pitt 0-10-0
(The Cardinals and Steelers combined their team for the 1944 season. It didn’t help.)
1960 Dallas Cowboys 0-11-1
1976 Tampa Bay Buccaneers 0-14-0
1982 Baltimore Colts 0-8-1 (strike shortened year)
2008 Detroit Lions 0-16-0
But what about the teams that lost or won only 1-2 games? Some of those teams were pretty good teams, too. How do we evaluate them. How about going beyond the won-loss record to look at point differentials?
Here are the teams in NFL history that have outscored their opposition by at least 10 points per game, in chronological order. I have included post season games in the computation, (allowing the 1940 Bears to make the list, among other teams that had big post season victory margins). I have excluded exhibition games, (including the “playoff bowl” between second place teams in the 1960’s), and games against non-league opponents, (of which there were many in 1920’s that nonetheless showed up in the team’s final record as reported by most sources).
And here are the teams that have defeated their opponents by an average of at least ten points a game, in chronological order:
1920 Akron Pros +10.6
1920 Dayton Triangles +10.0
1921 Buffalo All-Americans +15.2
1922 Rock Island Independents +18.1
1922 Canton Bulldogs +14.1
1923 Canton Bulldogs +18.9
1924 Cleveland Bulldogs +18.8
1924 Frankford Yellow Jackets +15.5
1925 Pottsville Maroons +18.8
1925 Chicago Cardinals +11.8
1926 Frankford Yellow Jackets +11.0
1927 New York Giants +13.6
1928 Detroit Wolverines +11.3
1929 New York Giants +15.1
1929 Green Bay Packers +13.5
1930 New York Giants +12.4
1931 Green Bay Packers +14.6
1934 Detroit Lions +13.8
1934 Chicago Bears +13.1
1936 Green Bay Packers +11.2
1936 Detroit Lions +11.1
1936 Chicago Bears +10.7
1938 New York Giants +10.1
1939 Washington Redskins +13.5
1939 Chicago Bears +12.8
1940 Chicago Bears +13.3 (they had been +7.8 before beating the Redskins 73-0)
1941 Chicago Bears +22.8
1942 Chicago Bears +23.7
1942 Washington Redskins +11.1
1943 Chicago Bears +15.1
1944 Philadelphia Eagles +13.6
1944 New York Giants +11.3
1945 Philadelphia Eagles +13.9
1946 Cleveland Browns +19.4
1947 Cleveland Browns +15.7
1947 Chicago Bears +10.2
1948 Philadelphia Eagles +18.9
1948 Chicago Bears +18.7
1948 San Francisco 49ers +17.6
1948 Cleveland Browns +16.1
1948 Chicago Cardinals +13.0
1949 Philadelphia Eagles +16.6
1949 Cleveland Browns +13.7
1949 San Francisco 49ers +13.2
1950 Cleveland Browns +12.4
1950 Los Angeles Rams +11.8
1951 Cleveland Browns +13.2
1951 Los Angeles Rams +10.6
1952 Detroit Lions +12.9
1953 Cleveland Browns +14.2
1953 Philadelphia Eagles +11.4
1953 San Francisco 49ers +11.3
1953 Los Angeles Rams +10.8
1954 Cleveland Browns +16.9
1955 Cleveland Browns +11.9
1958 Baltimore Colts +14.2
1959 Baltimore Colts +10.6
1960 Cleveland Browns +12.1
1961 Houston Oilers +17.6
1961 Green Bay Packers +13.7
1961 San Diego Chargers +11.3
1962 Green Bay Packers +18.4
1962 Dallas Texans +10.6
1963 San Diego Chargers +12.3
1963 Green Bay Packers +11.6
1963 New York Giants +10.9
1963 Chicago Bears +10.7
1964 Baltimore Colts +11.7
1964 Buffalo Bills +11.4
1966 Dallas Cowboys +13.3
1966 Green Bay Packers +12.8
1966 Kansas City Chiefs +10.7
1966 Cleveland Browns +10.3
1967 Oakland Raiders +15.6
1967 Baltimore Colts +14.0
1967 Los Angeles Rams +12.1
1968 Baltimore Colts +17.2
1968 Dallas Cowboys +15.6
1968 Oakland Raiders +14.4
1968 Kansas City Chiefs +11.1
1969 Minnesota Vikings +14.9
1969 Kansas City Chiefs +12.6
1970 Minnesota Vikings +12.6
1970 Detroit Lions +10.0
1971 Dallas Cowboys +13.2
1971 Baltimore Colts +10.6
1972 Miami Dolphins +13.6
1972 Pittsburgh Steelers +10.6
1973 Miami Dolphins +14.4
1973 Los Angeles Rams +13.3
1973 Dallas Cowboys +10.8
1975 Pittsburgh Steelers +14.1
1975 Minnesota Vikings +12.9
1976 Pittsburgh Steelers +13.3
1977 Dallas Cowboys +11.6
1978 Pittsburgh Steelers +11.4
1978 Dallas Cowboys +10.9
1979 Pittsburgh Steelers +10.5
1979 San Diego Chargers +10.1
1983 Washington Redskins +11.9
1984 San Francisco 49ers +16.0
1984 Miami Dolphins +12.2
1985 Chicago Bears +17.8
1986 New York Giants +11.4
1987 San Francisco 49ers +11.4
1989 San Francisco 49ers +15.2
1990 Buffalo Bills +11.7
1991 Washington Redskins +16.9
1992 Dallas Cowboys +12.4
1992 San Francisco 49ers +10.7
1993 San Francisco 49ers +11.2
1993 Dallas Cowboys +10.1
1994 San Francisco 49ers +14.3
1994 Dallas Cowboys +10.1
1995 San Francisco 49ers +11.1
1996 Green Bay Packers +15.7
1997 Denver Broncos +11.2
1998 Minnesota Vikings +15.4
1998 Denver Broncos +13.4
1999 St. Louis Rams +16.2
1999 Jacksonville Jaguars +11.9
2000 Baltimore Ravens +12.0
2000 Oakland Raiders +10.8
2001 St. Louis Rams +13.7
2002 Tampa Bay Buccaneers +11.5
2004 New England Patriots +11.1
2005 Indianapolis Colts +11.1
2005 Seattle Seahawks +10.5
2006 San Diego Chargers +10.9
2007 New England Patriots +17.5
2007 Indianapolis Colts +10.8
2009 New Orleans Saints +11.4
2010 New England Patriots +11.6
The All-Time Top 25:
1- 1942 Chicago Bears +23.7
2- 1941 Chicago Bears +22.8
3- 1946 Cleveland Browns +19.4
4- 1923 Canton Bulldogs +18.9
4- 1946 Philadelphia Eagles +18.9
6- 1924 Cleveland Bulldogs +18.8
6- 1925 Pottsville Maroons +18.8
8- 1948 Chicago Bears +18.7
9- 1962 Green Bay Packers +18.4
10- 1921 Rock Island Independents +18.1
11- 1985 Chicago Bears +17.8
12- 1948 San Francisco 49ers +17.6
12- 1961 Houston Oilers +17.6
14- 2007 New England Patriots +17.5
15- 1968 Baltimore Colts +17.2
16- 1954 Cleveland Browns +16.9
16- 1991 Washington Redskins +16.9
18- 1949 Philadelphia Eagles +16.6
19- 1999 St. Louis Rams +16.2
20- 1948 Cleveland Browns +16.1
21- 1984 San Francisco 49ers +16.0
22- 1947 Cleveland Browns +15.7
23- 1996 Green Bay Packers +15.7
24- 1967 Oakland Raiders +15.6
25- 1968 Dallas Cowboys +15.6
Some great runs:
Chicago Bears 1939-1948
+12.8, +13.3, +22.8, +23.7, +15.1, +8.6, -4.3, +8.8, +10.2, +18.7
Philadelphia Eagles 1944-1949
+13.6, +13.9, +1.0, +4.5, +17.5, +18.8
Cleveland Browns 1946-1955
+19.1, +15.7, +16.1, +13.7, +12.4, +13.2, +6.7, +14.3, +16.9, +11.9
Green Bay Packers 1960-1967
+9.2, +13.6, +18.4, +11.7, +6.9, +6.6, +12.8, +9.8
Dallas Cowboys 1966-1978
+13.3, +6.8, +15.6, +8.1, +5.1, +13.2, +3.6, +10.8, +4.4, +6.5, +6.7, +11.6, +10.9
Oakland Raiders 1967-1976
+15.6, +15.7, +10.9, +0.3, +4.7, +7.4, +7.4, +7.4, +7.3, +8.9
Minnesota Vikings 1969-1976
+14.9, +12.6, +6.5, +3.5, +7.9, +7.5, +12.9, +8.1
Miami Dolphins 1970-1978
+4.6, +8.5, +13.6, +14.4, +7.3, +9.6, -0.1, +8.3, +6.5
Pittsburgh Steelers 1972-1979
+10.6, +7.9, +9.1, +14.1, +13.3, +1.8, +12.8, +11.8
San Francisco 49ers 1983-1998
+7.6, +16.0, +8.9, +4.8, +12.1, +4.2, +15.2, + 7.2, +9.6, +10.7, +11.2, +14.3, +11.1, +7.4, +6.3, +8.4
Dallas Cowboys 1992-1995
+10.6, +8.6+, +10.1, +9.7
New England Patriots 2001-2011
+5.9, +2.2, +6.6, +11.1, +2.9, +8.8, +17.5, +6.3, +7.2, +11.6
Indianapolis Colts 2003-2010
+7.3, +9.0, +11.1, +5.4, +10.8, +5.0, +5.7, +2.8
With the Packers and the Colts charging toward perfection in opposite directions the question naturally comes up: how do they rate vs. the best and the worst teams in pro football history?
One way to look at that is to look at their won lost records.
Eight teams have completed the regular season without being defeated. The first four of them played before the NFL split into divisions and began having championship games and all played ties:
1920 Akron Pros 8 wins 0 losses, 3 ties
1922 Canton Bulldogs 10 wins 0 losses 2 ties
1923 Canton Bulldogs 11 wins 0 losses 1 tie
1929 Green Bay Packers 12 wins 0 losses 1 tie
Two Chicago Bear teams won all their regular season games but lost in the NFL title game:
1934 Chicago Bears 13-0-0 Lost to the New York Giants, 13-30 in the title game.
1942 Chicago Bears 11-0-0 Lost to the Washington Redskins 6-14 in the NFL title game.
One team from the All-America Conference ran the table:
1948 Cleveland Browns 14-0-0 Beat the Buffalo Bills 49-7 in the AAFC title game.
And one team did it in the NFL:
1972 Miami Dolphins 14-0-0 Beat the Cleveland Browns, 20-14, the Pittsburgh Steelers 21-17 and then the Washington Redskins 14-7 in the Super Bowl.
Then there was:
2007 New England Patriots 16-0-0 Beat the Jacksonville Jaguars 31-20 and the San Diego Chargers 21-12 but lost to the New York Giants 14-17 in the Super Bowl.
Now we have the Packers and it will be interesting to see how far they can go.
On the other end of the scale we have the teams that lost all their games. Many of the early teams that went winless also went out of business before their schedule was completed. I’ll include teams from the pre championship games era only if they played as many games as the team that “won the pennant”, (there were none). From the first championship game, (1933), I’ll include them unless they clearly played less games than the other teams and don’t appear in the next year’s standings.
1942 Detroit Lions 0-11-0
1943 Chicago Cardinals 0-10-0
1944 Brooklyn Tigers 0-10-0
1944 Card-Pitt 0-10-0
(The Cardinals and Steelers combined their team for the 1944 season. It didn’t help.)
1960 Dallas Cowboys 0-11-1
1976 Tampa Bay Buccaneers 0-14-0
1982 Baltimore Colts 0-8-1 (strike shortened year)
2008 Detroit Lions 0-16-0
But what about the teams that lost or won only 1-2 games? Some of those teams were pretty good teams, too. How do we evaluate them. How about going beyond the won-loss record to look at point differentials?
Here are the teams in NFL history that have outscored their opposition by at least 10 points per game, in chronological order. I have included post season games in the computation, (allowing the 1940 Bears to make the list, among other teams that had big post season victory margins). I have excluded exhibition games, (including the “playoff bowl” between second place teams in the 1960’s), and games against non-league opponents, (of which there were many in 1920’s that nonetheless showed up in the team’s final record as reported by most sources).
And here are the teams that have defeated their opponents by an average of at least ten points a game, in chronological order:
1920 Akron Pros +10.6
1920 Dayton Triangles +10.0
1921 Buffalo All-Americans +15.2
1922 Rock Island Independents +18.1
1922 Canton Bulldogs +14.1
1923 Canton Bulldogs +18.9
1924 Cleveland Bulldogs +18.8
1924 Frankford Yellow Jackets +15.5
1925 Pottsville Maroons +18.8
1925 Chicago Cardinals +11.8
1926 Frankford Yellow Jackets +11.0
1927 New York Giants +13.6
1928 Detroit Wolverines +11.3
1929 New York Giants +15.1
1929 Green Bay Packers +13.5
1930 New York Giants +12.4
1931 Green Bay Packers +14.6
1934 Detroit Lions +13.8
1934 Chicago Bears +13.1
1936 Green Bay Packers +11.2
1936 Detroit Lions +11.1
1936 Chicago Bears +10.7
1938 New York Giants +10.1
1939 Washington Redskins +13.5
1939 Chicago Bears +12.8
1940 Chicago Bears +13.3 (they had been +7.8 before beating the Redskins 73-0)
1941 Chicago Bears +22.8
1942 Chicago Bears +23.7
1942 Washington Redskins +11.1
1943 Chicago Bears +15.1
1944 Philadelphia Eagles +13.6
1944 New York Giants +11.3
1945 Philadelphia Eagles +13.9
1946 Cleveland Browns +19.4
1947 Cleveland Browns +15.7
1947 Chicago Bears +10.2
1948 Philadelphia Eagles +18.9
1948 Chicago Bears +18.7
1948 San Francisco 49ers +17.6
1948 Cleveland Browns +16.1
1948 Chicago Cardinals +13.0
1949 Philadelphia Eagles +16.6
1949 Cleveland Browns +13.7
1949 San Francisco 49ers +13.2
1950 Cleveland Browns +12.4
1950 Los Angeles Rams +11.8
1951 Cleveland Browns +13.2
1951 Los Angeles Rams +10.6
1952 Detroit Lions +12.9
1953 Cleveland Browns +14.2
1953 Philadelphia Eagles +11.4
1953 San Francisco 49ers +11.3
1953 Los Angeles Rams +10.8
1954 Cleveland Browns +16.9
1955 Cleveland Browns +11.9
1958 Baltimore Colts +14.2
1959 Baltimore Colts +10.6
1960 Cleveland Browns +12.1
1961 Houston Oilers +17.6
1961 Green Bay Packers +13.7
1961 San Diego Chargers +11.3
1962 Green Bay Packers +18.4
1962 Dallas Texans +10.6
1963 San Diego Chargers +12.3
1963 Green Bay Packers +11.6
1963 New York Giants +10.9
1963 Chicago Bears +10.7
1964 Baltimore Colts +11.7
1964 Buffalo Bills +11.4
1966 Dallas Cowboys +13.3
1966 Green Bay Packers +12.8
1966 Kansas City Chiefs +10.7
1966 Cleveland Browns +10.3
1967 Oakland Raiders +15.6
1967 Baltimore Colts +14.0
1967 Los Angeles Rams +12.1
1968 Baltimore Colts +17.2
1968 Dallas Cowboys +15.6
1968 Oakland Raiders +14.4
1968 Kansas City Chiefs +11.1
1969 Minnesota Vikings +14.9
1969 Kansas City Chiefs +12.6
1970 Minnesota Vikings +12.6
1970 Detroit Lions +10.0
1971 Dallas Cowboys +13.2
1971 Baltimore Colts +10.6
1972 Miami Dolphins +13.6
1972 Pittsburgh Steelers +10.6
1973 Miami Dolphins +14.4
1973 Los Angeles Rams +13.3
1973 Dallas Cowboys +10.8
1975 Pittsburgh Steelers +14.1
1975 Minnesota Vikings +12.9
1976 Pittsburgh Steelers +13.3
1977 Dallas Cowboys +11.6
1978 Pittsburgh Steelers +11.4
1978 Dallas Cowboys +10.9
1979 Pittsburgh Steelers +10.5
1979 San Diego Chargers +10.1
1983 Washington Redskins +11.9
1984 San Francisco 49ers +16.0
1984 Miami Dolphins +12.2
1985 Chicago Bears +17.8
1986 New York Giants +11.4
1987 San Francisco 49ers +11.4
1989 San Francisco 49ers +15.2
1990 Buffalo Bills +11.7
1991 Washington Redskins +16.9
1992 Dallas Cowboys +12.4
1992 San Francisco 49ers +10.7
1993 San Francisco 49ers +11.2
1993 Dallas Cowboys +10.1
1994 San Francisco 49ers +14.3
1994 Dallas Cowboys +10.1
1995 San Francisco 49ers +11.1
1996 Green Bay Packers +15.7
1997 Denver Broncos +11.2
1998 Minnesota Vikings +15.4
1998 Denver Broncos +13.4
1999 St. Louis Rams +16.2
1999 Jacksonville Jaguars +11.9
2000 Baltimore Ravens +12.0
2000 Oakland Raiders +10.8
2001 St. Louis Rams +13.7
2002 Tampa Bay Buccaneers +11.5
2004 New England Patriots +11.1
2005 Indianapolis Colts +11.1
2005 Seattle Seahawks +10.5
2006 San Diego Chargers +10.9
2007 New England Patriots +17.5
2007 Indianapolis Colts +10.8
2009 New Orleans Saints +11.4
2010 New England Patriots +11.6
The All-Time Top 25:
1- 1942 Chicago Bears +23.7
2- 1941 Chicago Bears +22.8
3- 1946 Cleveland Browns +19.4
4- 1923 Canton Bulldogs +18.9
4- 1946 Philadelphia Eagles +18.9
6- 1924 Cleveland Bulldogs +18.8
6- 1925 Pottsville Maroons +18.8
8- 1948 Chicago Bears +18.7
9- 1962 Green Bay Packers +18.4
10- 1921 Rock Island Independents +18.1
11- 1985 Chicago Bears +17.8
12- 1948 San Francisco 49ers +17.6
12- 1961 Houston Oilers +17.6
14- 2007 New England Patriots +17.5
15- 1968 Baltimore Colts +17.2
16- 1954 Cleveland Browns +16.9
16- 1991 Washington Redskins +16.9
18- 1949 Philadelphia Eagles +16.6
19- 1999 St. Louis Rams +16.2
20- 1948 Cleveland Browns +16.1
21- 1984 San Francisco 49ers +16.0
22- 1947 Cleveland Browns +15.7
23- 1996 Green Bay Packers +15.7
24- 1967 Oakland Raiders +15.6
25- 1968 Dallas Cowboys +15.6
Some great runs:
Chicago Bears 1939-1948
+12.8, +13.3, +22.8, +23.7, +15.1, +8.6, -4.3, +8.8, +10.2, +18.7
Philadelphia Eagles 1944-1949
+13.6, +13.9, +1.0, +4.5, +17.5, +18.8
Cleveland Browns 1946-1955
+19.1, +15.7, +16.1, +13.7, +12.4, +13.2, +6.7, +14.3, +16.9, +11.9
Green Bay Packers 1960-1967
+9.2, +13.6, +18.4, +11.7, +6.9, +6.6, +12.8, +9.8
Dallas Cowboys 1966-1978
+13.3, +6.8, +15.6, +8.1, +5.1, +13.2, +3.6, +10.8, +4.4, +6.5, +6.7, +11.6, +10.9
Oakland Raiders 1967-1976
+15.6, +15.7, +10.9, +0.3, +4.7, +7.4, +7.4, +7.4, +7.3, +8.9
Minnesota Vikings 1969-1976
+14.9, +12.6, +6.5, +3.5, +7.9, +7.5, +12.9, +8.1
Miami Dolphins 1970-1978
+4.6, +8.5, +13.6, +14.4, +7.3, +9.6, -0.1, +8.3, +6.5
Pittsburgh Steelers 1972-1979
+10.6, +7.9, +9.1, +14.1, +13.3, +1.8, +12.8, +11.8
San Francisco 49ers 1983-1998
+7.6, +16.0, +8.9, +4.8, +12.1, +4.2, +15.2, + 7.2, +9.6, +10.7, +11.2, +14.3, +11.1, +7.4, +6.3, +8.4
Dallas Cowboys 1992-1995
+10.6, +8.6+, +10.1, +9.7
New England Patriots 2001-2011
+5.9, +2.2, +6.6, +11.1, +2.9, +8.8, +17.5, +6.3, +7.2, +11.6
Indianapolis Colts 2003-2010
+7.3, +9.0, +11.1, +5.4, +10.8, +5.0, +5.7, +2.8