Big East looks for a big TV deal amid realignment

[Orangeyes]

Big East looks for a big TV deal amid realignment‎

 

[ImperialOrange]

I'm looking for a big TV deal as well. Doesn't mean I'm going to get it though.

 

[SU2NASA]

One million dollars!

 

[OrangePA]

A fairly positive point of view.

The key for the BE is stability - can the leadership keep the football schoola intact.

With an intact conference, a decent TV deal can be had.

The prospect of a decent deal could encourage stability.

I wonder if cooler BE heads will prevail. I wonder if there will be patience.

 

[KaiserUEO]

$1 says the hoop onlies this up.

they will want more $$ than the newbies because its 'their' name, being negotiated. the name being the bigeast.

 

[orangefog]

Kaiser, I would be shocked if that didn't happen.

 

[Townie72]

What none of these articles that trumpet the attractiveness of live sports properties never discuss is what the networks can then turn around and sell ad time to advertisers for.

Advertisers are not so desperate that they are willing to pay huge amounts for exposure of the ads to relatively small audiences. The bidding war is an idea that seems to forget the economic realities.

 

[JeremyCuse]

$1 says the hoop onlies this up.

they will want more $$ than the newbies because its 'their' name, being negotiated. the name being the bigeast.

I agree and would be a huge mistake on there part. Even after the loss of Cuse, Pitt, and WVU, the football side of the Big East still has a chance to at least get some exposure if they sign a deal with NBC and to have some relevance even though they will be light years behind the ACC, PAC 12 Big 10 etc. If the basketball onlies force a breakup they will become completely irrelevant and be on the same level as Conference USA for basketball.

 

[PeteCalvin]

They can be as positive as they want. Had they taken the deal last year, there would have been more stability. SU, Pitt and WVU probably stay. The BE could then have decided to add more FB schools, thus triggering a renegotiation of the deal.

Instead, they lost two of their flagship programs and their strongest football school. The product became less valuable, and less stable, overnight. Louisville is single handedly holding this thing together right now.

BTW, I heard from a good friend of mine who is a Louisville alum that the football fan base is not happy with Pitino. He is the reason that Louisville is not in the Big12 and WVU is. They had the offer on the table and Pitino kept in the ear of the AD and president. By dragging their feet (ie being unsure and non-committal), the BIg12 lost patience and grabbed WVU, who was ready to say screw the 27 months. Pitino screwed the whole thing up because he didn't want to lose MSG.

 

[Scooch]

What none of these articles that trumpet the attractiveness of live sports properties never discuss is what the networks can then turn around and sell ad time to advertisers for.

Advertisers are not so desperate that they are willing to pay huge amounts for exposure of the ads to relatively small audiences. The bidding war is an idea that seems to forget the economic realities.

You're forgetting a revenue stream.

 

[SU2NASA]

This logic that other conferences are cashing in means the Big East will too is asinine.

They turned down $1 billion, now they've lost arguably their three biggest brands in football, which drives the bus, and they've added eleventy teams to get to 12. Now they have a diluted product with more mouths to feed, and Fox and ESPN have added content in the form of the other conferences expanding.

The Big East may get over $1 billion best case, but they'll have four more football mouths to feed too. They're going to need maybe almost $1.5B just to break even.

 

[oldpinepoint]

A fairly positive point of view.

The key for the BE is stability - can the leadership keep the football schoola intact.

With an intact conference, a decent TV deal can be had.

The prospect of a decent deal could encourage stability.

I wonder if cooler BE heads will prevail. I wonder if there will be patience.

Thats a lot of big If's, my view is until this conference realignment mess gets sorted out the Big East has no leverage and is an extremly weak position. You are are right Stability is the key. The timing is also terrible.

 

[OrangePA]

This logic that other conferences are cashing in means the Big East will too is asinine.

They turned down $1 billion, now they've lost arguably their three biggest brands in football, which drives the bus, and they've added eleventy teams to get to 12. Now they have a diluted product with more mouths to feed, and Fox and ESPN have added content in the form of the other conferences expanding.

The Big East may get over $1 billion best case, but they'll have four more football mouths to feed too. They're going to need maybe almost $1.5B just to break even.

I think the logic is this - there is an almost endless demand for sports content these days - it's that demand that is driving the thrust of the argument.

And one should never discount the significance of the demand - there are so many outlets these days that content is king.

Content can be informericials, talk shows or the other BS that appears on thousands of channels ever hour of the day.

 

[OrangePA]

They can be as positive as they want. Had they taken the deal last year, there would have been more stability. SU, Pitt and WVU probably stay. The BE could then have decided to add more FB schools, thus triggering a renegotiation of the deal.

Instead, they lost two of their flagship programs and their strongest football school. The product became less valuable, and less stable, overnight. Louisville is single handedly holding this thing together right now.

BTW, I heard from a good friend of mine who is a Louisville alum that the football fan base is not happy with Pitino. He is the reason that Louisville is not in the Big12 and WVU is. They had the offer on the table and Pitino kept in the ear of the AD and president. By dragging their feet (ie being unsure and non-committal), the BIg12 lost patience and grabbed WVU, who was ready to say screw the 27 months. Pitino screwed the whole thing up because he didn't want to lose MSG.

Yes, but the BE gained much bigger markets - way more eyeballs.

That's the point of the article - need for content and larger markets for the BE under the new alignment.

 

[SU2NASA]

I think the logic is this - there is an almost endless demand for sports content these days - it's that demand that is driving the thrust of the argument.

And one should never discount the significance of the demand - there are so many outlets these days that content is king.

Content can be informericials, talk shows or the other BS that appears on thousands of channels ever hour of the day.

You're completely correct in the demand. However, the deals with the Big Ten, Pac-12, Big 12, and SEC are all for even more content. There's only so many hours to go around. If you've increased the amount of content you have, and that content is filled with higher quality matchups, then why is the Big East all of a sudden going to cash in after adding Central Florida, SMU, Memphis, Navy, Houston, and Temple?

 

[SU2NASA]

Yes, but the BE gained much bigger markets - way more eyeballs.

That's the point of the article - need for content and larger markets for the BE under the new alignment.

But very few eyeballs in those markets cares about any of those teams.

 

[KaiserUEO]

Yes, but the BE gained much bigger markets - way more eyeballs.

That's the point of the article - need for content and larger markets for the BE under the new alignment.

then basically, by extension...you must think that rutgers will be target #1 for every conf out there. the NYC area eyeballs will just be too much for anyone to overlook.

yes?

 

[SU2NASA]

then basically, by extension...you must think that rutgers will be target #1 for every conf out there. the NYC area eyeballs will just be too much for anyone to overlook.

yes?

What about UMass, they're playing at Foxboro right in Boston's backyard!

 

[OrangePA]

then basically, by extension...you must think that rutgers will be target #1 for every conf out there. the NYC area eyeballs will just be too much for anyone to overlook.

yes?

Look, I'm an interested observer - not an expert.

I am simply clarifying what the writer has said - and what the experts have said.

But, if you're asking me how I feel.

Yes, if the BE were to fall apart, sure, I would expect a number of conferences to snoop around.

 

[OrangePA]

What about UMass, they're playing at Foxboro right in Boston's backyard!

Brilliant analysis.

There are a few problems - UMass is not a member of the BE.

And UMass has never been a major college footbal program - Houston, SMU, Boise State have had major success at a very high level of competition - even San Diego State has had a decent amount of major college success.

So, I get it - an effort to be ironical.

But, it really misses the point.

 

[OrangePA]

But very few eyeballs in those markets cares about any of those teams.

Well, I'm not so sure about that.

If Houston, SMU, Temple - I live in Philly - and San Diego State play well and have a chance to pursue a BCS bid, the locals will watch - eventually.

 

[Stern]

Well, I'm not so sure about that.

If Houston, SMU, Temple - I live in Philly - and San Diego State play well and have a chance to pursue a BCS bid, the locals will watch - eventually.

There is no more BCS! That's why this conference is dead! That's why the SEC/BIG 12 made a deal 2 weeks ago for a bowl game. BCS is all over! The automatic bid thing is gone. Finished!

 

[OrangePA]

There is no more BCS! That's why this conference is dead! That's why the SEC/BIG 12 made a deal 2 weeks ago for a bowl game. BCS is all over! The automatic bid thing is gone. Finished!

When was the BCS abolished?

Can you post a link?

 

[Stern]

When was the BCS abolished?

Can you post a link?

http://www.sbnation.com/ncaa-football/2012/5/29/3051074/bcs-championship-location-bowls

http://miami.cbslocal.com/2012/05/29/college-football-playoff-slowly-taking-shape/

The playoff rollout is coming in a few weeks this June! The BCS tie-in's are over and done with.

You want to keep your head in the sand and pretend like the current BCS style format is going to be around and a Big East tie in is a sure thing and nothing is changing, go for it. But "REALITY" is a playoff is going to be announced soon and the Big East ain't invited to the party.

You have been dead wrong about everything else so far (like the BE getting some huge TV deal) might as well stay consistent and pretend like this PLAYOFF isn't happening

 

[Whitey23]

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