Bills sources trash Marrone

[Statesman1]

And you have no idea if it's the "old guard" or who it is. People now want to draw that straw man.

Seems to make the most sense to me. But you're probably right it's just a disgruntled secretary.

 

[Statesman1]

They were defending themselves from marrone

Even if that was true he's gone. No need to defend yourself from the guy who just left. Strikes me as petty and self serving, but whatever. Not my team but it's hella fun to watch the Bills self destruct-again. Just bait the hook for that next big time coach to come collect those 11-12 wins you guys are due.

 

[GoSU96]

And you have no idea if it's the "old guard" or who it is. People now want to draw that straw man.

Doesn't seem like a straw man at all.

 

[Statesman1]

It's REALLY bad to trade up for a WR in a draft that is loaded with WR's. They could have stayed where they were and took Beckham or Benjamin who are no worse than Watkins in the eyes of many. Throw in Evans and you can make a case Watkins ends up being the 4th best WR in last years class. No sense in trading up for one when one of these great players were going to fall into your lap. And the BEST one, Beckham, was going to fall into your lap

Yeah and at the time the GMEN had Beckham rated as the top receiver in the class and if I'm not mistaken a top 5 on the entire board. I was hoping they'd rebuild the line and take Zach Martin but they did ok with Jr.

 

[rrlbees]

Seems to make the most sense to me. But you're probably right it's just a disgruntled secretary.

It was more than a disgruntled secretary at SU.

Funny thing is, is that there seems to be a pattern here.

 

[McNabb2Brominski]

This article is a load of garbage...he's difficult to work with? he "lacks people skills". The best coaches are control freaks with huge egos. Look at Belichek, Harbaugh, Parcells, etc.

 

[Statesman1]

It was more than a disgruntled secretary at SU.

Funny thing is, is that there seems to be a pattern here.

You may be right- and I could still care less. NFL head coaches with huge egos that are control freaks? What is the world coming to?

 

[xc84]

Exactly. Every dick has some friends and they have no problem saying so. Those in the business who are negative are not going to be so prone to attach their name. One, it looks unprofessional and two, you never know who you're gonna work with or for again someday. It's not that hard to understand.

I know. That's why "unnamed sources" are the most reliable.

 

[Statesman1]

I know. That's why "unnamed sources" are the most reliable.

Hold on a second. I think I've been missing something all along but I didn't grow up in the every kid gets a trophy generation, it was only just starting to catch on as my athletic career was coming to an end in college. Is the point of big time college/NFL football to make friends or win games, cause all this time I thought it was win enough games or get fired. Football is the ultimate kill or be killed sport and the fact that people are surprised that St. Doug might be a little rough around the edges is simply amazing to me. I'd be more surprised to learn if he wasn't a jerk, frankly. That would hardly make him unique in coaching. Don't get me wrong, I think it's better to treat people well as you'd like to be treated yourself, but that's not the personality type who gets attracted to a profession like football coaching and is able to rise through the ranks to this level. These guys by nature are selfish and detached, in many ways it's a requirement to be successful especially at this level. What do you think it takes to be able to cut players, fire your friends, and neglect your families. It's in their DNA-

 

[GoSU96]

It was more than a disgruntled secretary at SU.

Funny thing is, is that there seems to be a pattern here.

Who did he have a problem with at SU, why, and what was the issue?

 

[rrlbees]

Who did he have a problem with at SU, why, and what was the issue?

People in the AD, donors, parents, HS coaches, etc.

 

[Jake]

This thread is off the charts hysterical.

I've spent years on one side if a reporters microphone or the other, I can assure you all that for every 100 people who are willing to praise an individual on the record, there is less than 1 willing to attach their name to calling someone a dick.

It's just human nature.

And it dawns on me that some people commenting here might not realize that when a reporter quotes "unnamed sources" that the reporter actually knows the source, and is just refusing to publicly out the person.

I think some here think the reporter is citing a friend of a friend of a friend, and doesn't know exactly who the person is. I mean if that's your impression, there's no use continuing a debate.

 

[cusefan88]

That's why it's done isn't it? No one can prove you don't have anonymous sources. However Mehta isn't even liked within the media community of NY beatwriters they hate the guy for his underhanded and dirty practices. Other members off the media hate him and don't believe he actually has sources. A few training camps ago, Rich cimini (espn jets beatwriter) made a fake Mehta account as a parody that was hilarious and all the other beats loved it because Mehta is a disgrace to the profession, it would still be running if he didn't get caught.


But believe what you will. I'm only a jets fan who has dealt with Manish's BS for 3+ years.

A relative of mine covered the Jets for ~10 years about. Said exactly the same thing about this reporter. Definitely hated by other writers.

 

[Alsacs]

The fact Marrone wasn't in favor of the Watkins trade makes me feel better about Marrone. That trade was stupid and honestly made no sense with Mike Evans rated highly. Beckham and Benjamin weren't rated as high as Watkins and Evans.

Marrone has some Belichick in him in that he doesn't care what people think of him.

 

[GoSU96]

People in the AD, donors, parents, HS coaches, etc.

Have anything specific?

What's was the nature of their issues.

AD, was it that he kept asking for infrastructure help, more pay for staff, more recruiting budget? If he was being a pain in the ass, just maybe he was because he had to.

Donors, what, he didn't stroke them enough?

Parents, that's pretty broad, considering he had a ton of kids leave the program when he took over, is it those parents? Complaints about playing time or how their kid was being used? I'd imagine there might be some disagree about playing kids hurt vs injured.

HS coaches, that could be anything from to not stroking ego's to not taking second rate players they were pushing to college and not making the kids they wanted available to Marrone, to not identifying their players.

It's always been obvious that the guy isn't a glad handing BS artist like Mac could be, and Robinson was little Mary sunshine (and an idiot). I'm sure he could have treated people better, but there are also reasonable and unreasonable complaints as well.

 

[Capt. Tuttle]

The Bills remind me of the woman who is upset that the married man she has been dating is cheating on her.

They saw how he left Syracuse and now want to be surprised he treated them the same way? Hilarious.

He left Syracuse to the NFL the same way every other college coach does.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

The fact Marrone wasn't in favor of the Watkins trade makes me feel better about Marrone. That trade was stupid and honestly made no sense with Mike Evans rated highly. Beckham and Benjamin weren't rated as high as Watkins and Evans.

Marrone has some Belichick in him in that he doesn't care what people think of him.

Oh, I disagree. I think he cares very much.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

You know, it is possible that it's true that Mehta is a bad reporter, and people within the Bills org had problems with Marrone and won't miss him.

 

[GoSU96]

This thread is off the charts hysterical.

I've spent years on one side if a reporters microphone or the other, I can assure you all that for every 100 people who are willing to praise an individual on the record, there is less than 1 willing to attach their name to calling someone a dick.

It's just human nature.

And it dawns on me that some people commenting here might not realize that when a reporter quotes "unnamed sources" that the reporter actually knows the source, and is just refusing to publicly out the person.

I think some here think the reporter is citing a friend of a friend of a friend, and doesn't know exactly who the person is. I mean if that's your impression, there's no use continuing a debate.

There are unnamed sources, and then there is it could anyone from the janitorial staff to the CEO unnamed sources.

There is the way Schefter did it,

"There are different accounts of exactly how unhappy Marrone was, with some sources recalling he stormed out of the room, and other sources simply saying he walked out of the room."

There is this article,

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/writer...uel-in-part-because-he-put-wideouts-in-danger

Multiple unnamed sources, but you can read by the context where some of this stuff is coming from within the organization.

And there there is the hit piece that people are reading.

There isn't one indication that the "sources" are even within the organization. Since when does reporting constitute unattributed hearsay from other media.

 

[GoSU96]

You know, it is possible that it's true that Mehta is a bad reporter, and people within the Bills org had problems with Marrone and won't miss him.

You mean the people who undermined bringing Polian in, which was the goal of the new owner, the people who were the "power junkies" integral in 0-15 year play off drought, and a incompetent organization. Of course they won't miss him, he was trying to change the way things were done and actually have a winning program as opposed to whatever it is they have now. Entrenched incomptents always hate change.

Through how many coaches, GM's, and losing records those people always seemed to keep their jobs. How's that work in a healthy organization?

 

[jgeorge322]

The fact Marrone wasn't in favor of the Watkins trade makes me feel better about Marrone. That trade was stupid and honestly made no sense with Mike Evans rated highly. Beckham and Benjamin weren't rated as high as Watkins and Evans.

Marrone has some Belichick in him in that he doesn't care what people think of him.

Why do people point to the watkins trade and ignore drafting ej when jimbo even said he wasnt good. At least w watkins they got a guaranteed good player.

 

[Stern]

This article is a load of garbage...he's difficult to work with? he "lacks people skills". The best coaches are control freaks with huge egos. Look at Belichek, Harbaugh, Parcells, etc.

Nick Saban wouldn't let office people/secretary make eye contact with him when he was in Miami. He had his PA send a memo to everyone in the organization telling all employees if you see Mr. Saban please look down or look away (true story)

Charlie Weiss at Notre Dame when he wanted a haircut made the barber shop on campus clear the place out so he would be in there alone and not have to talk to anyone else.

 

[jgeorge322]

This is big business. Marrone's people plant a story saying he was unhappy with the trade. Even if true, its a monday morning qb type comment and not a reason to leave a job. The simple explanation is usually the proper one. Marrone could get out making $4m and get another job w more power.

The bills plant the story in response to marrone since it makes the gm and brandon look bad. The unnamed sources are either whaley and brandon or people close to them. Its a political move.

The real point is it doesnt matter. Marrone made a business decision to move on. He plays the game well. Hes not jim boeheim. Kudos.

The bills can find a better hc then marrone. This is the nfl.

At the end of the day, this is a non story. But its written because it gets clicks. The reporters employer wants that. As the infamous saying goes, dont hate the player, hate the game.

 

[Full_Rebar]

I wonder if Herm Frazier is one of the SUAD folks who has "issues" with Marrone. I know Marrone wasn't very pleased that a home game against TCU was replaced by a road game at Missouri so that SU could make some cash.

 

[Alsacs]

Why do people point to the watkins trade and ignore drafting ej when jimbo even said he wasnt good. At least w watkins they got a guaranteed good player.

If Marrone wasn't behind the Watkins trade and it happened anyway wouldn't it be fair to stay that the decision maker in. Buffalo most likely Whaley determined the Bills were picking a QB in 2013 and out of Manuel/Nassib/Glennon/Geno none of them are any good thus far.
If Marrone had say over drafting a QB in 2013 why wouldn't he have been able to stop the Watkins trade?
Watkins is a good player but wasn't worth an extra first round pick. Mike Evans was rated a top 10 pick so if the Bills wanted a WR they could have traded up to 6 and kept their 2015 1st round pick. Watkins wasn't worth it and if Marrone is Telling the truth he doesn't have much say in the Bills war room.