Bills sources trash Marrone

[anglerman]

Who did he have a problem with at SU, why, and what was the issue?

OMG you must be kidding? Is there anyone at SU that he didn't have a problem. With?

 

[Millhouse]

If Marrone wasn't behind the Watkins trade and it happened anyway wouldn't it be fair to stay that the decision maker in. Buffalo most likely Whaley determined the Bills were picking a QB in 2013 and out of Manuel/Nassib/Glennon/Geno none of them are any good thus far. If Marrone had say over drafting a QB in 2013 why wouldn't he have been able to stop the Watkins trade? Watkins is a good player but wasn't worth an extra first round pick. Mike Evans was rated a top 10 pick so if the Bills wanted a WR they could have traded up to 6 and kept their 2015 1st round pick. Watkins wasn't worth it and if Marrone is Telling the truth he doesn't have much say in the Bills war room.

part of me thinks that Marrone just hates skinny wr glory boys. He likes lunch bucket wrs and tight ends. I'm thinking about sales woods and watkins vs Provo hogan chandler

 

[rrlbees]

So much spinning and but but buts trying to defend a coach who was 25-25 and 15-17 and treats many people like crap. Must be its one huge conspiracy to have everyone lying.

 

[anglerman]

So much spinning and but but buts trying to defend a coach who was 25-25 and 15-17 and treats many people like crap. Must be its one huge conspiracy to have everyone lying.

Completely agree! There have been countless stories like this for years. Everyone isn't lying. I think most people understand that it's actually true. His biggest defender on the planet I think is Go. I think he defends the guy more than Marrones own family would. The truth is he left the Bills the exact same way as he left SU. He left behind a lot of pissed off people that didn't like him. That's on Doug and that's just who he is.

 

[Millhouse]

So much spinning and but but buts trying to defend a coach who was 25-25 and 15-17 and treats many people like crap. Must be its one huge conspiracy to have everyone lying.

Covert Operation Cartoon has changed hearts and mind.

 

[rrlbees]

This thread is off the charts hysterical. I've spent years on one side if a reporters microphone or the other, I can assure you all that for every 100 people who are willing to praise an individual on the record, there is less than 1 willing to attach their name to calling someone a dick. It's just human nature. And it dawns on me that some people commenting here might not realize that when a reporter quotes "unnamed sources" that the reporter actually knows the source, and is just refusing to publicly out the person. I think some here think the reporter is citing a friend of a friend of a friend, and doesn't know exactly who the person is. I mean if that's your impression, there's no use continuing a debate.

Truer words were never spoken. Said the same thing earlier, only in 1-2 sentences.

 

[xc84]

This thread is off the charts hysterical.

I've spent years on one side if a reporters microphone or the other, I can assure you all that for every 100 people who are willing to praise an individual on the record, there is less than 1 willing to attach their name to calling someone a dick.

It's just human nature.

And it dawns on me that some people commenting here might not realize that when a reporter quotes "unnamed sources" that the reporter actually knows the source, and is just refusing to publicly out the person.

I think some here think the reporter is citing a friend of a friend of a friend, and doesn't know exactly who the person is. I mean if that's your impression, there's no use continuing a debate.

For every 100 people willing to praise an individual (anyone), there are 1,000 who will make negative comments anonymously. Human nature. Just look at the internet.

And I am glad it dawned on you that sometimes reporters try to protect sources. I doubt anyone here didn't know that.

Defending "unnamed sources" so vociferously when you have no idea...none...who it is... is odd...but go for it.

 

[Millhouse]

Oh, I disagree. I think he cares very much.

Not as much as his adoring fans in this thread

 

[GoSU96]

OMG you must be kidding? Is there anyone at SU that he didn't have a problem. With?

I don't know, you tell me.

 

[Full_Rebar]

I'm a fan of Marrone. Whatever people think of him, or how he treats others, I will think of the guy who I saw at Rob Edson's calling hours. The guy who broke down telling the media about the passing of his friend, and who took time away during the NFL season to be in Syracuse to pay his respects and show support for the Edson family.

Maybe this is an isolated incident of kindness on Marrone's part, but as a result of what I observed, and my limited interactions with Marrone, that's where my personal opinion stands.

As far as his coaching, I think he's a good culture-changer, and is well-prepared. His game management is a little too conservative for my liking, and I personally think the NY media and Doug will not be a good match.

 

[GoSU96]

Completely agree! There have been countless stories like this for years. Everyone isn't lying. I think most people understand that it's actually true. His biggest defender on the planet I think is Go. I think he defends the guy more than Marrones own family would. The truth is he left the Bills the exact same way as he left SU. He left behind a lot of pissed off people that didn't like him. That's on Doug and that's just who he is.

Here's the deal, it doesn't matter if feathers got ruffled. And given the state of both programs, they probably needed to be.

Both places, better off than when he got there, that's what he was hired for.

And people who actually work in the industry certainty evaluate his performance differently than hurt feelings crew here does.

 

[Jake]

There are unnamed sources, and then there is it could anyone from the janitorial staff to the CEO unnamed sources. There is the way Schefter did it, "There are different accounts of exactly how unhappy Marrone was, with some sources recalling he stormed out of the room, and other sources simply saying he walked out of the room." There is this article, http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/writer...uel-in-part-because-he-put-wideouts-in-danger Multiple unnamed sources, but you can read by the context where some of this stuff is coming from within the organization. And there there is the hit piece that people are reading. There isn't one indication that the "sources" are even within the organization. Since when does reporting constitute unattributed hearsay from other media.

Again. If you choose to believe that a reporter doesn't know who the source is, there is no use engaging in debate.

 

[GoSU96]

Again. If you choose to believe that a reporter doesn't know who the source is, there is no use engaging in debate.

I didn't say the reporter doesn't know who his source is. Where do you get that from?

 

[Jake]

X

 

[cliftonparksufan]

Here's the deal, it doesn't matter if feathers got ruffled. And given the state of both programs, they probably needed to be.

Both places, better off than when he got there, that's what he was hired for.

And people who actually work in the industry certainty evaluate his performance differently than hurt feelings crew here does.

I only know what I read but aren't most head coaches somewhat egotistical. They have one main job and one main job only. Granted it's a little different in college than in the pros but either way you need to win games. Everything else should be secondary. And, I think you're right. it shouldn't matter if feathers got ruffled.

 

[kirbivore]

As a jets fan, Manish Mehta is a toolbag who puts a negative spin on literally anything. He wants no part of Marrone because his job would be harder, so he is putting together a smear campaign before he even gets there.

It is widely believed that Mehta has made up sources and stories about the jets franchise in the past 3 years to stir up controversy for views and clicks.

Now Marrone might be a giant who runs everybody sideways but that has nothing to do with manishs article, screw that guy.

Mehta sounds like the dude from West Virginia

 

[kirbivore]

Have anything specific?

What's was the nature of their issues.

AD, was it that he kept asking for infrastructure help, more pay for staff, more recruiting budget? If he was being a pain in the ass, just maybe he was because he had to.

I wish P had been a pain in the ass on that subject instead of being the good soldier.

 

[GoSU96]

http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york/je...one?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

http://web.sny.tv/media/video.jsp?content_id=37102065&topic_id=21533122&tcid=vpp_copy_37102065&v=3

http://espn.go.com/espnradio/newyork/play?id=12113045

And there is this.

http://nypost.com/2015/01/04/the-hires-that-prove-woody-johnson-finally-gets-it/

 

[Statesman1]

Here's the deal, it doesn't matter if feathers got ruffled. And given the state of both programs, they probably needed to be.

Both places, better off than when he got there, that's what he was hired for.

And people who actually work in the industry certainty evaluate his performance differently than hurt feelings crew here does.

I'm amazed (actually that's a big lie) at the butthurt over a coach rubbing people the wrong way on this board.

 

[rrlbees]

I'm amazed (actually that's a big lie) at the butthurt over a coach rubbing people the wrong way on this board.

I'm sure he's only rubbed a few people here the wrong way. Most never interacted with him and usually he was pretty good with joe fan. It's everyone else.

 

[rrlbees]

And there is this. http://nypost.com/2015/01/04/the-hires-that-prove-woody-johnson-finally-gets-it/

One guy claims another guy has an agenda and it invalidates every other report over the years? Ok. And what makes this guys claim and more valid than the other?

 

[Statesman1]

I'm sure he's only rubbed a few people here the wrong way. Most never interacted with him and usually he was pretty good with joe fan. It's everyone else.

That's kind of my point.

 

[xc84]

One guy claims another guy has an agenda and it invalidates every other report over the years? Ok. And what makes this guys claim and more valid than the other?

"every other report over the years"? Are you also including those reports that paint Marrone as a good coach?

There are many who have been quoted as liking Marrone. There are some who have been quoted as not. There are recently many "reports" of "unnamed Bill's sources" (whatever that means) not liking him. I don't discount any. I try to look at each and more importantly, at what he has done with each team, and assess it on my own. I will say that when someone simply claims something came from an "unnamed Bill's source", I certainly don't put a lot of weight on it. If I have a buddy who is a Bill's fan and I quote him but not by name, I guess I could cite him as an "unnamed Bill's source" if I want.

 

[rrlbees]

"every other report over the years"? Are you also including those reports that paint Marrone as a good coach? There are many who have been quoted as liking Marrone. There are some who have been quoted as not. There are recently many "reports" of "unnamed Bill's sources" (whatever that means) not liking him. I don't discount any. I try to look at each and more importantly, at what he has done with each team, and assess it on my own. I will say that when someone simply claims something came from an "unnamed Bill's source", I certainly don't put a lot of weight on it. If I have a buddy who is a Bill's fan and I quote him but not by name, I guess I could cite him as an "unnamed Bill's source" if I want.

Never denied some people liked him. No doubt there are many. Doesn't invalidate those who don't of which there are many also.

 

[Statesman1]

"every other report over the years"? Are you also including those reports that paint Marrone as a good coach?

There are many who have been quoted as liking Marrone. There are some who have been quoted as not. There are recently many "reports" of "unnamed Bill's sources" (whatever that means) not liking him. I don't discount any. I try to look at each and more importantly, at what he has done with each team, and assess it on my own. I will say that when someone simply claims something came from an "unnamed Bill's source", I certainly don't put a lot of weight on it. If I have a buddy who is a Bill's fan and I quote him but not by name, I guess I could cite him as an "unnamed Bill's source" if I want.

Fair point- at least Casullo put his name on it, even if he's repeating what he's reading from those unnamed sources.