Binghamton Post Game Thread

[CardiacCuse]

The great thing about Kyle is he’s not an NBA center and can’t shoot. So he is going to be a four year guy.

you know hes already a senior right? this is his 3rd ncaabb team after ucla last year

 

[RedtheGOB]

felt like last year we were in the darkest of days, we went to like 2 overtimes just to beat youngstown state. there will be learning curves with this team, i am not completely sure we will shoot it well from outside, however it is refreshing to see us dominate, and play relatively well. also the energy, the team has energy, they communicate well, they demand more of each other, when it's relatively quiet like it was at the pace game and this one, you can hear the guys talk, the expectation is to do it right. it was nice.

I'm actually excited to rewatch the game later this week, it was something to get excited about. That hasn't happened much in a long time.

 

[pearl31]

- This was a bad bad team they played... worse than Pace.

Good post, and sound points all, but I do disagree with this - I think we made Pace look decent because of how horrendous the effort was for 2/3 of that game. Now, b'ton is not a good team by any stretch but they'd beat Pace like 8/10 times (and conversely we made them look worse by how much we dominated)

 

[Orangezoo]

Good post, and sound points all, but I do disagree with this - I think we made Pace look decent because of how horrendous the effort was for 2/3 of that game. Now, b'ton is not a good team by any stretch but they'd beat Pace like 8/10 times (and conversely we made them look worse by how much we dominated)

We would beat Pace by about similar amount with this same effort. The intensity was a big part but even more important was the help defense and the rotations. Along with playing above the rim the whole game and not trying to make the unnecessary play when the smarter play was there to be made.

Pace got the biggest chunk of their offense from one guy who if we defended with the same focus and intensity as vs Binghamton would have struggled.

 

[Capt. Tuttle]

Yeah, and George was in command throughout. We had minimal TOs and not many bad or late clock shots, just a lot of open misses from 3. Thought movement, passing was fine in the half court tonight, it did take us a few trips to adjust when they switched to zone.
Wouldn't call the half court inept tonight

The 1-3-1 threw them. Finally there were adjustments. I thought Red was a bit of a soccer coach there for a while. " Let the lads sort it out on their own." Then they didn't.

 

[Orangezoo]

you know hes already a senior right? this is his 3rd ncaabb team after ucla last year

Thank heavens right? Maybe we won’t have to run a bunch of skinny midgets at the 5 and get a 7-1 beast on the court for a change….

 

[bnoro]

I'm not a big JJ fan at all but this is a bit much. Last year he was damn near the only offensive player with a pulse when Donnie went down and he was also dealing with a hand injury. He was the only dude who could create anything off the dribble since our pg transfer was horrible and our wings had no bag. To expect his efficiency stats to improve in a year like that is not realistic. To act like he was our main problem last year (as some posts about him seem to suggest) is also kind of ridiculous when you consider the horrible supporting cast.

And now a game against an injured Binghamton team is the time to take a victory lap? The guard matchups will be a good deal harder for George and Kiyan going forward. We will need JJ's ability to penetrate and draw attention in the lane, which he has proven he can do even against high level comp. He will be playing less and there will be much less burden on him to make everything happen, which will give his efficiency a boost. While I agree on his defense, I am not exactly confident that George or Kiyan will excel in that category either against tougher comp. We will need minutes from him this year to be the best team possible.

I could create the wildly inefficient shots he was taking last year.

He came out yesterday and IMMEDIATELY took two wildly inefficient shots that had no chance of going in instead of continuing to move the ball for a better shot. Our defense actually looked competent with rotations and help defense.

 

[Ottoman]

It was a lot of fun watching that game last night, it felt like Syracuse basketball again! That being said, Binghampton is one of the worst opponents we have faced in years. Remember what we did to Chaminade a couple of years ago in Hawaii?

 

[OrangeXtreme]

 

[bigmike]

Just have to say, and it may have been mentioned earlier, but from the clips I saw, this team has a group of willing passers and a dearth of over dribblers. Hallelujah- that is all.

 

[Cusefan0307]

yeah, agree with this. If anything, I think Kingz is kinda eerily similar to Bell so far in terms of what he's doing other than shooting. Not much in the stat sheet and I haven't noticed his defense jumping off the screen.

Far too early to say that, though, so i look forward to seeing him play more and definitely hope we can work him into the flow a bit earlier than we have through three games.

Kingz should have much higher upside and a much higher floor than Bell based on the season he had last year. At the game it looked like Kingz was really engaged defensively. He can also handle the ball a lot better than Bell. Overall I don't really like how we have him just camped out in the corner.

 

[hoopsupstate]

It hasn’t been mentioned, but we scored on several out of bounds situations under the basket and on the sideline. Much more of a spread on out if bounds plays unde4 the basket. No more zone defense on out of bounds under the basket. It seemed we gave up open threes all the time last year.

 

[Cusefan0307]

Getting Kingz shots and getting him rolling need to be a bigger priority.

It feels like from the starting five we look more for Kyle than we do Kingz. Which is... weird.

This is on George. Last night he was making a concerted effort to get it inside. There's going to be games we will need to rely on our perimeter guys.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

This is on George. Last night he was making a concerted effort to get it inside. There's going to be games we will need to rely on our perimeter guys.

Good to know, not a detail I picked up one since I wasn't able to watch due to the Disney and YouTube dispute.

 

[billsin01]

Kingz should have much higher upside and a much higher floor than Bell based on the season he had last year. At the game it looked like Kingz was really engaged defensively. He can also handle the ball a lot better than Bell. Overall I don't really like how we have him just camped out in the corner.

Yeah, I’m not doubting any of that. But the way we’ve used him is basically reducing him to Bell’s role. Defensively I think he’s been engaged but I wouldn’t say he’s blown me away. But that can take time and practice with new teammates, etc. so jury is out — not trying to draw any hard and fast conclusions at this point

 

[hoopsupstate]

Yeah, I’m not doubting any of that. But the way we’ve used him is basically reducing him to Bell’s role. Defensively I think he’s been engaged but I wouldn’t say he’s blown me away. But that can take time and practice with new teammates, etc. so jury is out — not trying to draw any hard and fast conclusions at this point

You get him in the open court and he can get to the rim.

 

[billsin01]

I'll eat crow... I saw in this game what I didn't see in the exhibitions and the last two years for that matter
- A planned rotation... Red is going with the line shift change 6 minutes into the half. The job of the second 5 seems to be to speed up the game by playing a controlled full court pressure D and running on everything. Then the starters come back in and get to extend the run against a tired opponent
- Defensive rotations - there was help D, traps, double teams... the whole thing. FWIW this team would have been a suffocating zone team.
- Offensive plays - Lots of pick and roll off of George and a concerted effort to push the pace to take advantage of the numbers.

Open questions:
- This was a bad bad team they played... worse than Pace. What happens against better teams?
- I'm not sure what JJ's role in this team is... when he was in he took two wild shots, but did contribute one oop on the play that he got hurt. George looked much better after JJ went out... but it happened so early it's not clear whether it's causation or correlation.
- We don't have guys who can really get their own shot... this going to lead to some pretty ugly scoring droughts and inefficient offense during those period when the team loses focus and reverts back to iso-ball. it's going to be minute by minute challenge for Red to get these guys to play within the structure of the offense and run run run to avoid those scoring droughts.

One of the funner games in the Autry regime so far.

This is a good post, but I think your first open question is the key one. Agree that there are some questions about shot creation and JJ and agree that at least against a bad team the defense looked better, the pace was great and what Red decided to do rotation-wise (not my preference, but who am I?) worked well.

But better teams are either more talented on the floor or more talented on the sidelines. Red against better coaches remains a concern -- would be awesome if don't feel that way at some point this season, but for now, it's hard to feel any other way.

For the players, there is absolutely no question we are more talented than last year, likely by a country mile, and deeper with perhaps more upside than two years ago. But how guys like Kiyan and Kyle hold up and what kind of contribution we get against those teams from JJ on a consistent basis is still anyone's guess, IMO.

Long way of saying, nice to see a blowout but I'm still in wait-and-see mode overall.

 

[jdubs30]

Having George is an incredible breath of fresh air. We haven’t had a pure PG who can do all he can do, combined with his size and experience in such a long time. I think George will keep us in every game. So many games were lost in the first 4 minutes last year watching Carlos be completely overwhelmed.

There is also no doubt that this years team blows out last years team

 

[OrangeXtreme]