BJ Daniels Best QB We Will Face This Fall

[Cuseman78]

Teddy Bridgewater is 10 times the QB that Daniels is. 10 times.

And if you think BJ Daniels is better than Matt Barkley, then I can't help you there.

And Kain Coulter is better also.

BJ Daniels is a great athlete, but a poor QB whose prone to serious bouts of boneheadedness. He just happens to play well against us. Apparently you haven't ever watched him play except for games against us.

 

[OrangePA]

Correct. Sometimes a players one dimension is great than another players multiple dimensions. There's not one person, including Holtz, that wouldn't take Barkley over Daniels.

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You're really getting hung up on another issue.

The fact is that Barkley did not dominate SU this year in the way that BJ Daniels did.

Regardless of pro potential that's a fact.

 

[OrangePA]

Teddy Bridgewater is 10 times the QB that Daniels is. 10 times.

We agree to disagree.

 

[OrangePA]

Daniels has owned us over his career for some reason but best QB we will face, no and its not even close. Go watch tape of Daniels from earlier in the year, guy is a mental trainwreck. Barkely is the top QB with the Lville and Mizzou guys not being far behind.

he's not as bad as people here think but you go too far. he has a low completion percentage which is fine if you have high yards per attempt (which he doesn't)

it's alarming what he did to us on the ground the last 2 years, he doesn't run like that against other big east teams

I stand by my post.

I have seen him play for four years.

I was at the game on Saturday night.

The Orange could not touch the guy.

He may not be a pro, but as a college player I feared him going into the game and nothing he did during the game changed my mind.

 

[Cuseman78]

We agree to disagree.

It tells me you don't watch a whole lot of college football. Just a wacky post. And We havent even talked about Kain Coulter. BJ Daniels is a great athlete, but hes a poor QB prone to bouts of severe boneheaded ness. Shafer just doesn't do a great job of lmiting him and forcing him into mistakes for whatever reason.

 

[MikeSU02]

It tells me you don't watch a whole lot of college football. Just a wacky post. And We havent even talked about Kain Coulter. BJ Daniels is a great athlete, but hes a poor QB prone to bouts of severe boneheaded ness. Shafer just doesn't do a great job of lmiting him and forcing him into mistakes for whatever reason.

Matt Barkley was 23/30 (76%) with six touchdowns. No one in their right mind would rather play Matt Barkley over BJ Daniels this year. None.

I know we can disagree on here, but Matt Barkley is a different level of QB than BJ Daniels. It's not really close at all. And here is the other proof: We beat USF at USF. We lost to USC at a neutral site game. I think we would rather play the QB who we beat on the road.

 

[Louie&Bouie]

He has a QB rating of 127.1 (79th in the country)...

That is behind 6 other QB's in the BE. To say that he is the best QB we will face this year is pushing the envelope, IMO. If you want to say that he is the biggest/most talented running threat we will encounter all year, then I can accept that argument.

But as a passer, the kid is WAY down the list. He's prone to mental errors and performed well below the hype extended to him over the entire course of his career.

 

[xc84]

I stand by my post.

I have seen him play for four years.

I was at the game on Saturday night.

The Orange could not touch the guy.

He may not be a pro, but as a college player I feared him going into the game and nothing he did during the game changed my mind.

I was at the game too and agree, the Orange could "not touch the guy" when he ran. And he ran very well. However, I don't think he is a good QB because he can't throw. We talked to USF fans around us and they agreed he is a poor passer...and were very surprised at some of the nice long balls he threw v. SU. As he stands now, he is certainly not a hot draft prospect at QB.

 

[rrlbees]

You're really getting hung up on another issue.

The fact is that Barkley did not dominate SU this year in the way that BJ Daniels did.

Regardless of pro potential that's a fact.

What issue is that? That we didn't defend a spread type offense well? You must forget what Barkley did to us. Go look. And I wasn't talking pro potential. I'm talking right now today, Holtz would take Barkley over Daniels. Everyone would, except you I guess.

 

[GoSU96]

You're really getting hung up on another issue.

The fact is that Barkley did not dominate SU this year in the way that BJ Daniels did.

Regardless of pro potential that's a fact.

Come'on man, he had 6 TD passes on 30 throws.

 

[OrangePA]

What issue is that? That we didn't defend a spread type offense well? You must forget what Barkley did to us. Go look. And I wasn't talking pro potential. I'm talking right now today, Holtz would take Barkley over Daniels. Everyone would, except you I guess.

You're probably right.

Holtz probably would take Barkley over Daniels.

But if he were to do so, he would have to change his entire offensive scheme.

Barkley is a pro-style QB - a very good college QB. Is he Andrew Luck? I don't think he is.

I know that he has an All-American at every position two deep surrounding him on the offensive side of the ball. I'm pretty sure that you commented yesterday that every QB plays better if he has more time to operate. The USC line affords Barkley a lot of room to maneuver.

I just happen to think that BJ Daniels is a more difficult QB to defend on the college level - he can run as well as any QB I have seen this fall - he throws short - he throws long - he has been a four-year starter - he has pretty good leadership skills.

I was at both games - I was close to the field both games. I thought that BJ Daniels was better against the Orange this year than was Barkley.

Sorry. Just my humble opinion.


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[OrangePA]

Come'on man, he had 6 TD passes on 30 throws.

Yes, that's true.

But he had a lot of help from two or three of the best receivers I have ever seen on a college field.

Daniels, was, by himself, more dominant against the Orange.

 

[OrangePA]

I was at the game too and agree, the Orange could "not touch the guy" when he ran. And he ran very well. However, I don't think he is a good QB because he can't throw. We talked to USF fans around us and they agreed he is a poor passer...and were very surprised at some of the nice long balls he threw v. SU. As he stands now, he is certainly not a hot draft prospect at QB.

I guess I can only go by what I see.

During the game on Saturday night Daniels was on target long and short the entire game.

He certainly looked like a very good passer to me.

 

[GoSU96]

I stand by my post.

I have seen him play for four years.

I was at the game on Saturday night.

The Orange could not touch the guy.

He may not be a pro, but as a college player I feared him going into the game and nothing he did during the game changed my mind.

They were pretty unsound on defense, the problem wasn't Daniels so much, it was Lamar going off for big plays. And dropping two Ints.

At the end of the day they stopped 5 drives with FG's. Once the field gets compressed he has big issues.

Very familar problem.

 

[Jake]

Barkley is a great player but he is one-dimensional.

They guys at Cincy and Louisville are very good players.

But Daniels is the best - he throws well - short and long - and runs brilliantly. Plus, he is a four-year starter.

BJ was a one-man team out there on Saturday night. From up close one could see just how talented a guy he is.

Lets go you Orange!! Beat the Bearcats!!!

Not. Even. Close. I'd take Coulter, Barkley, Bridgewater EASILY over Daniels. Just ask USF fans.

 

[GoSU96]

Not. Even. Close. I'd take Coulter, Barkley, Bridgewater EASILY over Daniels. Just ask USF fans.

If you are looking at quality of play at the QB position, Tino is better as well.

 

[qdawgg]

And Buddy Ryan used to say "he can't throw when he's on his ass."

I think the comparison of Barkley to Brady and Manning is probably a stretch.

And I'm pretty sure that most DCs - including Shaffer - would say that they would prefer defending a pocket passer than a guy like Daniels.

The Buddy Ryan quote is way out of context. Ryan wasn't comparing whether he would rather face a passing QB or a running QB. He wasn't even talking about QB's in general when he made that quote, he was referring to a style of smash mouth defense.

I don't think anyone else who read my post thought I was comparing Barkley to Brady/Manning. Everyone realized I was referring to their style of QB play and not their ability to execute that style.

 

[OrangeTown]

So is he the best QB we will face this fall, as the title of your thread suggests?
Or is he just the QB that had the best game against SU on a given night (which I would also argue)?
Or the QB with the highest ceiling when everything is clicking?
Or the QB that Schafer would least like to defend against?

Your rebuttals have no rhyme or reason and jump all over the place. If you want to argue that no other QB happened to play better against us, that is much different than being the best QB we face. The title of the thread asks if he's the best QB we will face this fall, and the answer is an easy, simple, "No".

You're going to be agreeing to disagree with probably 99% of the posters here. Nothing wrong with that - just pointing it out as I see it.

 

[OrangeTown]

The Buddy Ryan quote is way out of context. Ryan wasn't comparing whether he would rather face a passing QB or a running QB. He wasn't even talking about QB's in general when he made that quote, he was referring to a style of smash mouth defense.

I don't think anyone else who read my post thought I was comparing Barkley to Brady/Manning. Everyone realized I was referring to their style of QB play and not their ability to execute that style.

How can you even compare Barkley to Brady/Manning? They all went to different colleges and are different ages. That's just silly...

P.S. I miss your puppy.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

I like to look at it as the next QB SU plays is the best qb they are going to face. Muchie is a god.

Oh, just you wait.

 

[OrangePA]

The Buddy Ryan quote is way out of context. Ryan wasn't comparing whether he would rather face a passing QB or a running QB. He wasn't even talking about QB's in general when he made that quote, he was referring to a style of smash mouth defense.

I don't think anyone else who read my post thought I was comparing Barkley to Brady/Manning. Everyone realized I was referring to their style of QB play and not their ability to execute that style.

I live in Philly and have been here for nearly 30 years.

I listened to Buddy many times.

He always talked about how much more difficult it was to defend a mobile QB.

That was why he took a third-string QB - Randall Cunningham - and made him the starter for the Eagles back in 1986.

 

[qdawgg]

I live in Philly and have been here for nearly 30 years.

I listened to Buddy many times.

He always talked about how much more difficult it was to defend a mobile QB.

That was why he took a third-string QB - Randall Cunningham - and made him the starter for the Eagles back in 1986.

That's fine, still not the context of the quote you used to try to marginalize my point.

 

[bnoro]

OPA, so BJ Daniels is better than Ryan Nassib, too?

 

[OrangePA]

So is he the best QB we will face this fall, as the title of your thread suggests?
Or is he just the QB that had the best game against SU on a given night (which I would also argue)?
Or the QB with the highest ceiling when everything is clicking?
Or the QB that Schafer would least like to defend against?

Your rebuttals have no rhyme or reason and jump all over the place. If you want to argue that no other QB happened to play better against us, that is much different than being the best QB we face. The title of the thread asks if he's the best QB we will face this fall, and the answer is an easy, simple, "No".

You're going to be agreeing to disagree with probably 99% of the posters here. Nothing wrong with that - just pointing it out as I see it.

I'm glad you agree that he had the best game against the Orange at the QB position.

I think that's right.

You seem very upset with my post - you can't seem to make heads or tails of what I have said - you find no rhyme or reason to my thoughts.

I am very disappointed that my post has caused you such angst.

Let me try to help you better understand.

Obviously Barkley is a very strong college QB - the best pure QB we will face this year - the guy with the most pro potential - the classic drop back player.

But, as far as the guy we will have to defend - and that's what counts in my book - the best overall QB we will face this fall is BJ Daniels.

And that fact that - as you have observed BJ - had the best game against us, would seem to support my observation.

Thanks.

 

[OrangePA]

OPA, so BJ Daniels is better than Ryan Nassib, too?

Yes.