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[Rocco]

Figured it would be nice to post something positive on here... we got a nice DE commit out of Miami.

http://syracusefan.com/threads/de-keivonnis-davis-fl-verballed-to-syracuse.82814/#post-1192618

Offers from WFVU, Pitt, Cincy & USF... 6'3", 220 lbs

 

[GoSU96]

Chance for immediate PT.

 

[javadoc]

Chance for immediate PT.

Really hoping that Samuels and Harvey will be ready to contribute next year on the interior, so we can field Thompson, Johnson, Slayton, and this kid at DE.

 

[Moontan]

Chance for immediate PT.

That's true for all positions.

Good: it can draw kids to the program
Bad: not enough existing quality depth

 

[Ithacaorange]

This is good news considering the geography and our current elephant in the room via our coaching staff

 

[GoSU96]

That's true for all positions.

Good: it can draw kids to the program
Bad: not enough existing quality depth

I don't think that's true.

 

[ImperialOrange]

Potential January enrollee

 

[OrangeTarheel]

Any good program would be competitive enough at all positions that an incoming talent would at least have a chance to crack the starting lineup. Any program NOT offering that would be setting itself up to be less than its potential.

On the other hand, for any position in college football there is a strong argument to make for experience over physical talent.

 

[Full_Rebar]

Potential January enrollee

Hopefully these January kids attend a class before McDonald accepts his next job. Maybe SU can get them enrolled in one of those new Winter session classes.

 

[ImperialOrange]

Hopefully these January kids attend a class before McDonald accepts his next job. Maybe SU can get them enrolled in one of those new Winter session classes.

This gent is a McDonald recruit and a recent one. GM may in fact be hanging around after all.

 

[OrangeXtreme]

This gent is a McDonald recruit and a recent one. GM may in fact be hanging around after all.

At least Bullough and Daoust should be.

 

[Moontan]

At least Bullough and Daoust should be.

As should Shafe.
Cool Kid could be around just like Hackett was.

 

[Finwad32]

Defensive Line, especially on the interior, is IMO the second hardest position on the field to play early besides QB. Samuels and Harvey got a redshirt year, thank god, because hopefully it starts a cycle where our lineman aren't forced into action prematurely. Once you get ahead of the curve you can start playing guys in their 3rd, 4th & 5th years instead of 1&2... It makes a big difference.

Only unique talents should see the field in year 1 and even 2 in a lot of cases.

 

[Full_Rebar]

This gent is a McDonald recruit and a recent one. GM may in fact be hanging around after all.

Maybe, or maybe he realized that DO story about him not calling recruits isn't going to help him get hired somewhere. I'm not looking to run the guy out of town, but you have to think he's going to be looking after what happened this year.

 

[RF2044]

Defensive Line, especially on the interior, is IMO the second hardest position on the field to play early besides QB. Samuels and Harvey got a redshirt year, thank god, because hopefully it starts a cycle where our lineman aren't forced into action prematurely. Once you get ahead of the curve you can start playing guys in their 3rd, 4th & 5th years instead of 1&2... It makes a big difference.

Only unique talents should see the field in year 1 and even 2 in a lot of cases.

Agree 100%.

That's especially important at a non-selector school like us, where we get good athletes who most often need some additional seasoning.

 

[Rocco]

Defensive Line, especially on the interior, is IMO the second hardest position on the field to play early besides QB. Samuels and Harvey got a redshirt year, thank god, because hopefully it starts a cycle where our lineman aren't forced into action prematurely. Once you get ahead of the curve you can start playing guys in their 3rd, 4th & 5th years instead of 1&2... It makes a big difference.

Only unique talents should see the field in year 1 and even 2 in a lot of cases.

Spot on. Good post.

 

[sufandu]

This gent is a McDonald recruit and a recent one. GM may in fact be hanging around after all.

I suppose we'll see how good HCSS is at recruiting. If he gets McDonald to stay, given his reduced roll, he may be pretty good.

 

[kcsu]

I think that if George is paid his salary he stays. There is nothing wrong with being an associate head coach. He should stay another year and look to jump to another OC position or possibly a head coach of a lower D school.

 

[Finwad32]

I think that if George is paid his salary he stays. There is nothing wrong with being an associate head coach. He should stay another year and look to jump to another OC position or possibly a head coach of a lower D school.

Although I agree with what most of what you're saying, I'd be stunned if George stays, stunned.

 

[PhatOrange]

Although I agree with what most of what you're saying, I'd be stunned if George stays, stunned.

I'd be shocked if he stays to, but it's always about the money. Would he leave if they didn't change his salary or at least paid him the going rate for what he's doing? If he gets SEC money to be a position coach and associate head coach would he stay?

He's surely not going to make more money in the SEC as a position coach than what he's making now.

 

[javadoc]

I'd be shocked if he stays to, but it's always about the money. Would he leave if they didn't change his salary or at least paid him the going rate for what he's doing? If he gets SEC money to be a position coach and associate head coach would he stay?

He's surely not going to make more money in the SEC as a position coach than what he's making now.

I thought that when Shafer contacted him, Shafer told him that he might not be able to make as much as he was making at Arkansas. The OC role was the carrot.

 

[SUFan44]

I'd be shocked if he stays to, but it's always about the money. Would he leave if they didn't change his salary or at least paid him the going rate for what he's doing? If he gets SEC money to be a position coach and associate head coach would he stay?

He's surely not going to make more money in the SEC as a position coach than what he's making now.

He's not going to get made an associate head coach at an SEC school. For one, those jobs aren't exactly growing on trees. Two, he hasn't done anything to warrant that title at that level IMO.

 

[Full_Rebar]

I thought that when Shafer contacted him, Shafer told him that he might not be able to make as much as he was making at Arkansas. The OC role was the carrot.

Saw the same thing reported-that he left Arkansas because of the OC/Assoc. HC title, and was ok with taking a salary cut to make that happen.

 

[SUFan44]

Saw the same thing reported-that he left Arkansas because of the OC/Assoc. HC title, and was ok with taking a salary cut to make that happen.

Arkansas wide receivers coach Michael Smith made $275,000 according to 2013 data. (http://arkansasnews.com/sections/razorbacks/arkansas-football-assistant-salaries-set-3-million.html)

If Syracuse University is not paying more than that for an offensive coordinator/assistant head coach title then we should quit supporting football. As a point of reference for coordinators at like schools, Virginia offensive coordinator Bill Lazor earns $453,000 according to a 2012 article.

 

[javadoc]

Arkansas wide receivers coach Michael Smith made $275,000 according to 2013 data. (http://arkansasnews.com/sections/razorbacks/arkansas-football-assistant-salaries-set-3-million.html)

If Syracuse University is not paying more than that for an offensive coordinator/assistant head coach title then we should quit supporting football. As a point of reference for coordinators at like schools, Virginia offensive coordinator Bill Lazor earns $453,000 according to a 2012 article.

You can hear it now - they would pay that, if the guy's market value dictated it.

In this case at least it seems that Shafer might have had more budget to work with, but he wanted McD. I wonder if there is anyone Shafer would even want to hire as OC who would warrant a $400K salary here.