Branding us as NY's college team.

[Orangefan1]

I always felt that the reason Dr. Gross wanted games played in NY was to help propel us to the ACC conference (help market us) and make sure people downstate knew we were NY's college team. But I have heard recently that Gross really didn't have much to do with getting us to the ACC at all. In fact no matter who was there, we would have gone anyways. So my question then lies with why are we going to NY? Is it for 5 million dollars? Is it for top end recruits? You saw yesterday with the attendance how pissed off the fan base is with 20k in the dome. And it is also because we played Stony Brook. Now that we are in the ACC please tell me what the point is of taking these great teams and moving the games to NY? The only thing we have shown is how crappy our fan base is downstate for football with the attendance against USC.

 

[DoctorBombay]

 

[IthacaBarrel]

I always felt that the reason Dr. Gross wanted games played in NY was to help propel us to the ACC conference (help market us) and make sure people downstate knew we were NY's college team. But I have heard recently that Gross really didn't have much to do with getting us to the ACC at all. In fact no matter who was there, we would have gone anyways. So my question then lies with why are we going to NY? Is it for 5 million dollars? Is it for top end recruits? You saw yesterday with the attendance how pissed off the fan base is with 20k in the dome. And it is also because we
played Stony Brook. Now that we are in the ACC please tell me what the point is of taking these great teams and moving the games to NY? The only thing we have shown is how crappy our fan base is downstate for football with the attendance against USC.

Who gives a really? But I would assume it is all about money! I think the reason is all the silver in the stands week after week

 

[qdawgg]

Awesome!

 

[Townie72]

I always felt that the reason Dr. Gross wanted games played in NY was to help propel us to the ACC conference (help market us) and make sure people downstate knew we were NY's college team. But I have heard recently that Gross really didn't have much to do with getting us to the ACC at all. In fact no matter who was there, we would have gone anyways. So my question then lies with why are we going to NY? Is it for 5 million dollars? Is it for top end recruits? You saw yesterday with the attendance how pissed off the fan base is with 20k in the dome. And it is also because we played Stony Brook. Now that we are in the ACC please tell me what the point is of taking these great teams and moving the games to NY? The only thing we have shown is how crappy our fan base is downstate for football with the attendance against USC.

In case you missed it. Much of this is about reaching out to the alumni, particularly those that donate to the University.

It shouldn't come as a surprise to you that the SU alumni base doesn't reside in CNY, rather they are distributed along the Atlantic from Boston to DC.

The University recently stated that the average gift to the University (probably as part of the recent Capital Fund effort) from the New York City area alumni was twice what it was from other areas with concentrations of alumni.

So these games in NYC earn short term dollars but the University also feels that they serve to reinforce the relationship with alumni in the area and will result in larger alumni donations to the University.

 

[Crusty]

I always felt that the reason Dr. Gross wanted games played in NY was to help propel us to the ACC conference (help market us) and make sure people downstate knew we were NY's college team. But I have heard recently that Gross really didn't have much to do with getting us to the ACC at all. In fact no matter who was there, we would have gone anyways. So my question then lies with why are we going to NY? Is it for 5 million dollars? Is it for top end recruits? You saw yesterday with the attendance how pissed off the fan base is with 20k in the dome. And it is also because we played Stony Brook. Now that we are in the ACC please tell me what the point is of taking these great teams and moving the games to NY? The only thing we have shown is how crappy our fan base is downstate for football with the attendance against USC.

That is turning things on its head. To suggest that the fans did not show up because of the USC game is really about as big a stretch as I have heard in a long time and it's an election year.

Dr Gross is not making this stuff up. The facts are that more alum and money are in NYC and one freakin game a year is not too much especially given the apathy in CNY.

 

[rrlbees]

In case you missed it. Much of this is about reaching out to the alumni, particularly those that donate to the University.

It shouldn't come as a surprise to you that the SU alumni base doesn't reside in CNY, rather they are distributed along the Atlantic from Boston to DC.

The University recently stated that the average gift to the University (probably as part of the recent Capital Fund effort) from the New York City area alumni was twice what it was from other areas with concentrations of alumni.

So these games in NYC earn short term dollars but the University also feels that they serve to reinforce the relationship with alumni in the area and will result in larger alumni donations to the University.

Well that didn't work out too well, seeing their attendance for USC. Now it will also discourage those that did go from trekking to the Dome once or twice a year because they have their own pretty good home schedule.

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[GoSU96]

I always felt that the reason Dr. Gross wanted games played in NY was to help propel us to the ACC conference (help market us) and make sure people downstate knew we were NY's college team. But I have heard recently that Gross really didn't have much to do with getting us to the ACC at all. In fact no matter who was there, we would have gone anyways. So my question then lies with why are we going to NY? Is it for 5 million dollars? Is it for top end recruits? You saw yesterday with the attendance how pissed off the fan base is with 20k in the dome. And it is also because we played Stony Brook. Now that we are in the ACC please tell me what the point is of taking these great teams and moving the games to NY? The only thing we have shown is how crappy our fan base is downstate for football with the attendance against USC.

It's called an investment in the future. It's part of their long term strategy to build the brand.

Gross made a decision years ago based on the facts in front of him at the time. And fact #1 was that he needed cash, and this was one revenue stream he could create. Nothing in life is 100%, but if the cost benefit analysis is 51/49 favorable, then go for it.

 

[ForeverOrange]

Moving games to NY didn't cause fans not to show up at the dome. Sucking for the most part of a decade caused that, we have had some very humiliating loses where we didn't look like we belonged on the field with the other teams. We start winning and people will start coming again.

 

[OttoForLife]

In case you missed it. Much of this is about reaching out to the alumni, particularly those that donate to the University.

It shouldn't come as a surprise to you that the SU alumni base doesn't reside in CNY, rather they are distributed along the Atlantic from Boston to DC.

The University recently stated that the average gift to the University (probably as part of the recent Capital Fund effort) from the New York City area alumni was twice what it was from other areas with concentrations of alumni.

So these games in NYC earn short term dollars but the University also feels that they serve to reinforce the relationship with alumni in the area and will result in larger alumni donations to the University.

From my experience, the donors that are cutting big checks are not usually ones impressed by athletics. Yes, behing hosted in a suite for a game at Met Life or flying to a Sweet 16/Final 4/NC game is part of that game, but when push comes to shove, the big checks are being written for things with more academic heft.

As someone said in another post, I think the NY "thing" is about building the brand and increasing awareness in the hopes of driving attendance and opening up recruiting channels.

 

[Townie72]

Well that didn't work out too well, seeing their attendance for USC. Now it will also discourage those that did go from trekking to the Dome once or twice a year because they have their own pretty good home schedule.

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So you know how many SU alumni from the NY area attended and what the impact of this will be on their pattern of donations?

 

[DoctorBombay]

Winning cures all ills.
If we'd beaten USC, its likely the Dome would've been full.

 

[TexanMark]

In case you missed it. Much of this is about reaching out to the alumni, particularly those that donate to the University.

It shouldn't come as a surprise to you that the SU alumni base doesn't reside in CNY, rather they are distributed along the Atlantic from Boston to DC.

The University recently stated that the average gift to the University (probably as part of the recent Capital Fund effort) from the New York City area alumni was twice what it was from other areas with concentrations of alumni.

So these games in NYC earn short term dollars but the University also feels that they serve to reinforce the relationship with alumni in the area and will result in larger alumni donations to the University.

Ding, Ding, Ding

Townie is spot on...alumni in the BOS-WASH are much wealthier than those in the ALB-BUF

I just wish our BOS-WASH alumni would enjoy more trips to the Dome.

 

[tbonezone]

It shouldn't come as a surprise to you that the SU alumni base doesn't reside in CNY, rather they are distributed along the Atlantic from Boston to DC.


a lot of retired alumni in south florida too. using your logic an SU home game in tampa is reasonable also.
i have several friends who moved to raleigh. maybe we could play an acc home game there too!

 

[Townie72]

It shouldn't come as a surprise to you that the SU alumni base doesn't reside in CNY, rather they are distributed along the Atlantic from Boston to DC.


a lot of retired alumni in south florida too. using your logic an SU home game in tampa is reasonable also.
i have several friends who moved to raleigh. maybe we could play an acc home game there too!

You missed the part about NYC area alums donating twice the amount on average. So, you would have to attract twice the number of alumni in FL or NC to break even versus the NYC area.

We'll have the FL alumni covered when we start playing Miami regularly. And the UNC, WF, NCSU and Duke games ought to take care of the Raleigh alumni and ex-CNYers.

 

[Orangefan1]

I forgot every post is dumb except for doctorbombay's. Since that is what you are implying with Bert and Ernie. Disregard the fact that my post actually creates conversation. BTW alumni can still donate twice as much to the university and we can still play these big games in the dome. They aren't going to be pulling their donations because we didn't play at Metlife. Also, since the unversity is barking about their 1 billion dollar donation surplus is that even relevant? SU is always going to accept donations regardless, but what's the point of all these donations? My question is how are they using the money responsibly?

 

[Townie72]

From my experience, the donors that are cutting big checks are not usually ones impressed by athletics. Yes, behing hosted in a suite for a game at Met Life or flying to a Sweet 16/Final 4/NC game is part of that game, but when push comes to shove, the big checks are being written for things with more academic heft.

As someone said in another post, I think the NY "thing" is about building the brand and increasing awareness in the hopes of driving attendance and opening up recruiting channels.

You sound like your know what you are talking about.

But then why do the leaders in alumni donations --- the Ivies --- put so much energy and resources into athletics? It certainly isn't because they draw big crowds and offset the costs of the program with "the gate" and parking and concessions.

They don't give scholarships. They have so much money that they cover 100% of the amount of financial aid the kid qualifies for. So it's like a scholarship for many.

One could argue that their facilities, their coaching staffs and their recruiting efforts are "outsized" given their game day attendance.

Why do they bother?

 

[tbonezone]

You missed the part about NYC area alums donating twice the amount

you make this assertion but yet provide no numbers to support it's verity.

 

[Crusty]

To think SU can build its program focusing on Syracuse only is just silly. SU alum are spread all over the country. This is in marked deterrence to most state schools and many large private schools. If you want all of the games played in the Dome then just show up, otherwise SU is going to do something about it. Geez one freakin game. Get real.

 

[rrlbees]

Geez 14 freakin games. Get real.

Fixed.


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[Crusty]

Fixed.


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ONE game a year is too much?

 

[OttoForLife]

You sound like your know what you are talking about.

But then why do the leaders in alumni donations --- the Ivies --- put so much energy and resources into athletics? It certainly isn't because they draw big crowds and offset the costs of the program with "the gate" and parking and concessions.

They don't give scholarships. They have so much money that they cover 100% of the amount of financial aid the kid qualifies for. So it's like a scholarship for many.

One could argue that their facilities, their coaching staffs and their recruiting efforts are "outsized" given their game day attendance.

Why do they bother?

You raise an interesting question. Not sure I have the answer, but keep in mind that Ivy athletics is what it is and the org/alumni know that. No one at Yale is crying about how they should be playing Texas or trying to get a game at Yankee Stadium. For those guys, athletics has its (capped) place in each institutions' ecosystem. And when one of them makes a national name for itself (ala Cornell bball a few years ago), it's gravy).

Difference being with SU is that our expectations for athletics is not capped. We want to be a top national program...run with the big boys re: recruits, facilities, exposure.

That all said, the same principle applies for Ivies: the major dollars coming in have little to nothing to do with athletics.

I could be totally wrong, but I don't think our movement towards NY's College Team was driven by the idea that some big time donor(s) is out there and this will make him or her fund a new shiny toy.

 

[cmr27]

I wonder if trying to be a regional team rather than one focussed exclusively on a single city may involve trade-offs in intensity of fan support. Look at the New England Patriots. Their "territory" covers six states but their fans don't seem nearly as fanatical, even with all of the success, as fans of other NFL teams. Would it be different if they were called the Boston Patriots and didn't play well outside Boston? Regional support may generate more TV revenue but it also may be an inch deep and unwilling to show up in numbers against a school no one knew played football until a few months ago. As someone said earlier, it's all about trade-offs.

(PS: That's just my opinion about Patriots fans. I'm sure they sell out every week.)

 

[Chris02M]

in most years the games in nyc will be in years where we have 6 other home games at the dome its not that big of a deal,this year it is bec ause we only have 5

 

[rrlbees]

in most years the games in nyc will be in years where we have 6 other home games at the dome its not that big of a deal,this year it is bec ause we only have 5

But will be the biggest OOC games. The ones that bring the juice.

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