Branding us as NY's college team.

[All4SU]

I always felt that the reason Dr. Gross wanted games played in NY was to help propel us to the ACC conference (help market us) and make sure people downstate knew we were NY's college team. But I have heard recently that Gross really didn't have much to do with getting us to the ACC at all. In fact no matter who was there, we would have gone anyways. So my question then lies with why are we going to NY? Is it for 5 million dollars? Is it for top end recruits? You saw yesterday with the attendance how pissed off the fan base is with 20k in the dome. And it is also because we played Stony Brook. Now that we are in the ACC please tell me what the point is of taking these great teams and moving the games to NY? The only thing we have shown is how crappy our fan base is downstate for football with the attendance against USC.

Shortsighted view. For all of the reasons that have already been covered ad nauseum.

 

[MikeSU02]

But will be the biggest OOC games. The ones that bring the juice.

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This is my worry. If the most appealing games are the ones moved, how are you going to sell-in the season tickets?

Again, I'm not worried about the 1-1-1 versions, but the other games, especially if our ND games that are supposed to be home games at the Dome end up in NYC. No doubt in my mind ND will have at least a 2:1 advantage at Met Life, if not more.

Btw, I have friends that went to USC that purchased SU seasons tix this year just to get first crack at the USC / SU tix at Met Life.

 

[sufan]

I always felt that the reason Dr. Gross wanted games played in NY was to help propel us to the ACC conference (help market us) and make sure people downstate knew we were NY's college team. But I have heard recently that Gross really didn't have much to do with getting us to the ACC at all. In fact no matter who was there, we would have gone anyways. So my question then lies with why are we going to NY? Is it for 5 million dollars? Is it for top end recruits? You saw yesterday with the attendance how pissed off the fan base is with 20k in the dome. And it is also because we played Stony Brook. Now that we are in the ACC please tell me what the point is of taking these great teams and moving the games to NY? The only thing we have shown is how crappy our fan base is downstate for football with the attendance against USC.

1) "I have heard recently that Gross really didn't have much to do with getting us to the ACC at all."
"In fact no matter who was there, we would have gone anyways."

Really: please expand what that means and who your incredible inside sources are.


2) "The only thing we have shown is how crappy our fan base is downstate for football with the attendance against USC."

Is this how ultimate insiders like you speak?
Could a tornado watch and forecasts of a rain storm that delayed the game for an hour have had any impact on the attendance?

3) "why are we going to NY?"


Financial payoff with a long term partnership with the Meadowlands, to play high profile nationally televised games against top national programs once every 2 years.

SU as a private, expensive university recruits students nationally and especially the NY metro region.

Enhancing the SU brand and bringing the presence of the University via TV and media coverage into the media center of the nation which coincidently is the location where a very large number of SU students, potential students, alumni, recruits, donors are located.

4) If not convenient, CNY fans can watch the game on TV or travel to a destination city for the equivalent of an early season high profile bowl game.

5) With SU in the ACC (thanks Dr. G and Nancy and DM and JB and many others), SU will be entering a period of conference stability, increased financial revenue, more interesting conference competition with 9 game schedules and far greater leverage to schedule future games hopefully as home, away, Meadowlands or at least home, away, away, Meadowlands.


Hard to compare future prospects with the desperate situation SU was in just a few short years ago, playing a 7 game schedule where the "big name" team was WVU.

 

[OrangeHeel]

a lot of retired alumni in south florida too. using your logic an SU home game in tampa is reasonable also.
i have several friends who moved to raleigh. maybe we could play an acc home game there too![/quote]

Don't have to since we will be playing away games in NC & FL -- LOL.

I get why people are upset with NYC games. I get why people love NYC games. What I don't get us why people obsess over one game.

How about a deep breath & step back to see the model going forward. 1-1-1 seems to have universal support & should be how it's fine from this day forward. Let's not compare what was done for survival in the BE with hue business will likely be done in the ACC.

And FWIW, I'm a townie, alum, season ticket holder, & had a GREAT time in NYC.


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[Chris02M]

But will be the biggest OOC games. The ones that bring the juice.

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yes most likely but with us being in the acc now the opponents coming to the dome should be better. as for notre dame i dont think all of our games vs nd in this agreement will be at metlife as our home games. i could see 1 each at carrier dome and nd stadium and the 2 others @metlife with each of us losing a home game since nd wants to play in nyc they might be open to playing 1 there over a period of time.

 

[hoopsupstate]

Don't hold your breath about ND coming to the Carrier Dome. I doubt it will happen.

 

[Chris02M]

i think most years the metlife game will/should be the 1st weekend since we draw poorly that week no matter the opponent because of the fair

 

[Chris02M]

Don't hold your breath about ND coming to the Carrier Dome. I doubt it will happen.

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they will definately make some appearances there at least in basketball and or lacrosse.football 1 for every 2-3 home games is doable

 

[Moontan]

Don't hold your breath about ND coming to the Carrier Dome. I doubt it will happen.

Probably not for these 4 games... which may cover (cough) 12 years. These are (now) conference affiliated games... really should push for 1-1-1 arrangements in this series. If not now, then in the future. Changing the current 4-game series to a 1(h)-2(a)-1(n) agreement would be an improvement.

 

[rrlbees]

Probably not for these 4 games... which may cover (cough) 12 years. These are (now) conference affiliated games... really should push for 1-1-1 arrangements in this series. If not now, then in the future. Changing the current 4-game series to a 1(h)-2(a)-1(n) agreement would be an improvement.

Then drop them and replace them with good to very good teams that would come to the Dome. I'd be fine with UCLA, KSU, Michigan St type teams. Doesn't have to be the ND's and USC's.

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[cuseincincy]

Don't hold your breath about ND coming to the Carrier Dome. I doubt it will happen.

You mean "again" right? Since they just played in the Dome a few years ago. Couldn't possibly happen "again" right?

 

[Moontan]

Then drop them and replace them with goos to very good teams that would cone to the Dome. I'd be fine with UCLA, KSU, Michigan St type teams. Doesn't have to be the ND's and USC's.

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One can only wonder if the powers-that-be even tried to get Mizzou for a return game.

The following might make for interesting games:
SEC - Vandy, Ole Miss/Miss St., Tenn, Auburn
B1G - MSU, Nebraska, Purdue?
Big XII - OK St., KSU, Baylor?
PAC - UCLA, Stanford, AZ/AZ St

 

[Rocco]

Simply put, it is a shame how money has ruined the college football experience. We wouldn't be dealing with most of these issues.

 

[Faegan]

I know that the friends/fraternity brothers I bumped into at the game had a blast and will return next year. Others didn't even know about the game, but feel like they missed out. I'm not saying we'll fill the stadium next year, but I'm willing to bet that attendance by SU fans will be better than this year, and ND will be an increase on that. I know several people that wanted to go in my town but couldn't because their kids athletics had already started. (That's why several posters on the boards couldn't come, right?) Next year that should not be the case with the game on August 31st.

 

[Capt. Tuttle]

This FALLACY that SU gave up a home game with USC. They ( USC) were NEVER going to play in the Dome. Does SU basketball go play home and homes with Detroit or Manhattan? No. That is who SU is in the college football world, now and for the forseeable future.
So when someone who doesn't go to games anyway complains that they won't go now because of the USC game, tell them to get a clue and .
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[OrangeXtreme]

This FALLACY that SU gave up a home game with USC. They ( USC) were NEVER going to play in the Dome.

http://www.suathletics.com/news/2007/8/10/fbseries_usc.aspx?path=football

Syracuse Director of Athletics Dr. Daryl Gross has reached a verbal agreement for the Orange football team to play the University of Southern California in a home-and-home series in 2011 and 2012 and is continuing discussions for a men's basketball series, as well. The Orange will play in Los Angeles in 2011 and the Trojans will visit the Carrier Dome in 2012.

I guess Gross couldn't get USC to sign their LOI.

 

[snowycuse]

First of all an athletic director has very little to do with institutional alignment as it pertains to an athletic conference. He can give input but at the end of the day it is not his call. If anything an AD like Gross would pick the Big Ten over ACC despite the ACC long being the best athletic fit.

As a townie I am already on record as saying I refused to attend ANY games this season as a result of the USC decision and I am not the only one. To say it had or should have had no inpact would be incorrect. Unfortunately in a town lacking the backbone to ever question the decisons on the hill this is the only way many of us have to show our disapproval. The University has shown time and time again, "Get a life" or "Only Game in Town" they do not care and it is unfortunate as the lack of trust between the local fans and University creates a relationship that is only strong during the good times. It is as easy for Gross to move games from CNY as it is for CNY to attend Beer Festivals or the State Fair during games.

Why many of us obsess over the USC game is because we as local Syracuse residents struggling financially will most likely never have the opportunity to see one of the very best historic football programs on our home turf. It was a slap in the face and if you have any real clue on how this all works the excuses for moving the game simply do not pass the smell test. They help round up the sheep but those with independent thought understand that it was done simply due to the ego of an AD that wishes Syracuse University was located closer to the deep pocket donors and overall lifestyle of NYC.

Gross is a solid modern AD whose accomplishments only look decent due to the complete incompetence of the past Chancellor and AD. I have a very, very, very hard time believing we have to move games to NYC or out of the Dome to compete at the highest levels. Boise State does it with blue turf in front of a stadium that holds 10,000 less fans than show up to our games in our worst years. They are in Idaho hundreds of miles away from high profile cities. Syracuse is in the heart of NY, playing in the dome, a bus ride from NYC, Albany, Toronto, Philly, Boston, etc. If Gross cannot build a winner centered out of the Carrier Dome then we need to find someone who can, period. James Arthur Boeheim does not need NYC because he knows who the best fans in college basketball are and we have proven in since 1980. Nobody draws as well as the CNY fan in lacrosse. CNY fans are not the issue and neither is the dome.

 

[SURules]

I You saw yesterday with the attendance how pissed off the fan base is with 20k in the dome.

There are definitely local fans on this board pissed off about MetLife Stadium but I'm not sure there is a correlation between that and only have 20K in the dome for SB. Dome attendance has been bad and then throw in SB and I'm not surprised regardless of MetLife.

 

[Townie72]

First of all an athletic director has very little to do with institutional alignment as it pertains to an athletic conference. He can give input but at the end of the day it is not his call. If anything an AD like Gross would pick the Big Ten over ACC despite the ACC long being the best athletic fit.

As a townie I am already on record as saying I refused to attend ANY games this season as a result of the USC decision and I am not the only one. To say it had or should have had no inpact would be incorrect. Unfortunately in a town lacking the backbone to ever question the decisons on the hill this is the only way many of us have to show our disapproval. The University has shown time and time again, "Get a life" or "Only Game in Town" they do not care and it is unfortunate as the lack of trust between the local fans and University creates a relationship that is only strong during the good times. It is as easy for Gross to move games from CNY as it is for CNY to attend Beer Festivals or the State Fair during games.

Why many of us obsess over the USC game is because we as local Syracuse residents struggling financially will most likely never have the opportunity to see one of the very best historic football programs on our home turf. It was a slap in the face and if you have any real clue on how this all works the excuses for moving the game simply do not pass the smell test. They help round up the sheep but those with independent thought understand that it was done simply due to the ego of an AD that wishes Syracuse University was located closer to the deep pocket donors and overall lifestyle of NYC.

Gross is a solid modern AD whose accomplishments only look decent due to the complete incompetence of the past Chancellor and AD. I have a very, very, very hard time believing we have to move games to NYC or out of the Dome to compete at the highest levels. Boise State does it with blue turf in front of a stadium that holds 10,000 less fans than show up to our games in our worst years. They are in Idaho hundreds of miles away from high profile cities. Syracuse is in the heart of NY, playing in the dome, a bus ride from NYC, Albany, Toronto, Philly, Boston, etc. If Gross cannot build a winner centered out of the Carrier Dome then we need to find someone who can, period. James Arthur Boeheim does not need NYC because he knows who the best fans in college basketball are and we have proven in since 1980. Nobody draws as well as the CNY fan in lacrosse. CNY fans are not the issue and neither is the dome.

I'm sympathetic to your complaint. It's your money and you can certainly vote with your feet.

But, I'm reminded of the lyrics of a song:

Don't it always seem to go
That you don't know what you got 'til it's gone
They paved paradise and put up a parking lot

If I were a Syracuse resident, I might think twice about boycotting SU athletics and making the University's life any more difficult that it is today. Without SU and SU athletics, Syracuse is Utica or worse. SU is the only thing that separates Syracuse, the city, from any of those other declining cities on the frontier. Like it or not, its the crown jewel of the place.

 

[kingottoiii]

First of all an athletic director has very little to do with institutional alignment as it pertains to an athletic conference. He can give input but at the end of the day it is not his call. If anything an AD like Gross would pick the Big Ten over ACC despite the ACC long being the best athletic fit.

Um someone has to broker the deal. So you are 0-1.

As a townie I am already on record as saying I refused to attend ANY games this season as a result of the USC decision and I am not the only one. To say it had or should have had no inpact would be incorrect. Unfortunately in a town lacking the backbone to ever question the decisons on the hill this is the only way many of us have to show our disapproval. The University has shown time and time again, "Get a life" or "Only Game in Town" they do not care and it is unfortunate as the lack of trust between the local fans and University creates a relationship that is only strong during the good times. It is as easy for Gross to move games from CNY as it is for CNY to attend Beer Festivals or the State Fair during games.

Why were those comments, which are 110% true BTW, made in the first place. It is because the CNY fan is always complaining. Wah wah wah. Me me me. You got it all wrong. CNY does NOTHING but question the decisions at SU. 0-2.

Why many of us obsess over the USC game is because we as local Syracuse residents struggling financially will most likely never have the opportunity to see one of the very best historic football programs on our home turf. It was a slap in the face and if you have any real clue on how this all works the excuses for moving the game simply do not pass the smell test. They help round up the sheep but those with independent thought understand that it was done simply due to the ego of an AD that wishes Syracuse University was located closer to the deep pocket donors and overall lifestyle of NYC.

They weren't "excuses" they were all valid reasons to better the program. The program is more important than you. SU needs to do what is best for the program. Anyone who thinks it was about TGD's ego is totally clueless. BTW love the entitlement attitude that CNYers feel they desevre a USC at home. 0-3.

Gross is a solid modern AD whose accomplishments only look decent due to the complete incompetence of the past Chancellor and AD. I have a very, very, very hard time believing we have to move games to NYC or out of the Dome to compete at the highest levels. Boise State does it with blue turf in front of a stadium that holds 10,000 less fans than show up to our games in our worst years. They are in Idaho hundreds of miles away from high profile cities. Syracuse is in the heart of NY, playing in the dome, a bus ride from NYC, Albany, Toronto, Philly, Boston, etc. If Gross cannot build a winner centered out of the Carrier Dome then we need to find someone who can, period. James Arthur Boeheim does not need NYC because he knows who the best fans in college basketball are and we have proven in since 1980. Nobody draws as well as the CNY fan in lacrosse. CNY fans are not the issue and neither is the dome.

Last time I checked Boise St doesn't compete at the "highest level" they were in the friggin WAC. Best fans in college BBall live in Lexington, Louisville, and Lawrence BTW. And last time I checked JB always makes sure we play a game in NYC. In fact our OOC name games happen to be in NYC and not in the Dome. We have played UNC, Mich St, etc in NYC. how often do those guys show up in the Dome? :crazy: CNY football "fans" are a huge issue. Congrats you are 0 for 4!

 

[rrlbees]

This FALLACY that SU gave up a home game with USC. They ( USC) were NEVER going to play in the Dome. Does SU basketball go play home and homes with Detroit or Manhattan? No. That is who SU is in the college football world, now and for the forseeable future.
So when someone who doesn't go to games anyway complains that they won't go now because of the USC game, tell them to get a clue and .
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You keep saying that but you're wrong unless you are saying SU and TGD lied.

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[Scooch]

I wonder if trying to be a regional team rather than one focussed exclusively on a single city may involve trade-offs in intensity of fan support. Look at the New England Patriots. Their "territory" covers six states but their fans don't seem nearly as fanatical, even with all of the success, as fans of other NFL teams. Would it be different if they were called the Boston Patriots and didn't play well outside Boston? Regional support may generate more TV revenue but it also may be an inch deep and unwilling to show up in numbers against a school no one knew played football until a few months ago. As someone said earlier, it's all about trade-offs.

(PS: That's just my opinion about Patriots fans. I'm sure they sell out every week.)

FWIW, this isn't true at all. The Pats have sold out every home game since 1994.

BUT, since I grew up in Foxboro during some truly horrific seasons in the early 80s and early 90s, I can tell you that attendance was absolutely pathetic when the team was bad. Like 45K/game pathetic.

SU and the Pats are really not comparable at all, other than the fact that like almost every other team on Earth, when they don't win less people come to the games.

 

[RoysRunts]

New York City or State? either way play in NYS not freakin NEW JERSEY

 

[tbonezone]

Don't have to since we will be playing away games in NC & FL -- LOL.


well we just played another away game in jersey. what is it a 4+ hour drive at 4 bucks a gallon ?

 

[snowycuse]

First of all an athletic director has very little to do with institutional alignment as it pertains to an athletic conference. He can give input but at the end of the day it is not his call. If anything an AD like Gross would pick the Big Ten over ACC despite the ACC long being the best athletic fit.

Um someone has to broker the deal. So you are 0-1.

As a townie I am already on record as saying I refused to attend ANY games this season as a result of the USC decision and I am not the only one. To say it had or should have had no inpact would be incorrect. Unfortunately in a town lacking the backbone to ever question the decisons on the hill this is the only way many of us have to show our disapproval. The University has shown time and time again, "Get a life" or "Only Game in Town" they do not care and it is unfortunate as the lack of trust between the local fans and University creates a relationship that is only strong during the good times. It is as easy for Gross to move games from CNY as it is for CNY to attend Beer Festivals or the State Fair during games.

Why were those comments, which are 110% true BTW, made in the first place. It is because the CNY fan is always complaining. Wah wah wah. Me me me. You got it all wrong. CNY does NOTHING but question the decisions at SU. 0-2.

Why many of us obsess over the USC game is because we as local Syracuse residents struggling financially will most likely never have the opportunity to see one of the very best historic football programs on our home turf. It was a slap in the face and if you have any real clue on how this all works the excuses for moving the game simply do not pass the smell test. They help round up the sheep but those with independent thought understand that it was done simply due to the ego of an AD that wishes Syracuse University was located closer to the deep pocket donors and overall lifestyle of NYC.

They weren't "excuses" they were all valid reasons to better the program. The program is more important than you. SU needs to do what is best for the program. Anyone who thinks it was about TGD's ego is totally clueless. BTW love the entitlement attitude that CNYers feel they desevre a USC at home. 0-3.

Gross is a solid modern AD whose accomplishments only look decent due to the complete incompetence of the past Chancellor and AD. I have a very, very, very hard time believing we have to move games to NYC or out of the Dome to compete at the highest levels. Boise State does it with blue turf in front of a stadium that holds 10,000 less fans than show up to our games in our worst years. They are in Idaho hundreds of miles away from high profile cities. Syracuse is in the heart of NY, playing in the dome, a bus ride from NYC, Albany, Toronto, Philly, Boston, etc. If Gross cannot build a winner centered out of the Carrier Dome then we need to find someone who can, period. James Arthur Boeheim does not need NYC because he knows who the best fans in college basketball are and we have proven in since 1980. Nobody draws as well as the CNY fan in lacrosse. CNY fans are not the issue and neither is the dome.

Last time I checked Boise St doesn't compete at the "highest level" they were in the friggin WAC. Best fans in college BBall live in Lexington, Louisville, and Lawrence BTW. And last time I checked JB always makes sure we play a game in NYC. In fact our OOC name games happen to be in NYC and not in the Dome. We have played UNC, Mich St, etc in NYC. how often do those guys show up in the Dome? :crazy: CNY football "fans" are a huge issue. Congrats you are 0 for 4!

LOL!!!!

You are obviously not a basketball fan so there is really no reason to get into that part of the discussion as you have no true knowledge of the subject matter.

Boise State not playing at the "highest level"...umm sure they are not in the SEC but neither are we and one team has been consistently in the Top 25 playing in Idaho while the other is Syracuse.

Did you really just compare a throw away pre-season MSG tournament game to losing a home game with USC in football? This is over. Come back when you have a clue. Thanks.