Branding us as NY's college team.

[kingottoiii]

LOL!!!!

You are obviously not a basketball fan so there is really no reason to get into that part of the discussion as you have no true knowledge of the subject matter.

Boise State not playing at the "highest level"...umm sure they are not in the SEC but neither are we and one team has been consistently in the Top 25 playing in Idaho while the other is Syracuse.

Did you really just compare a throw away pre-season MSG tournament game to losing a home game with USC in football? This is over. Come back when you have a clue. Thanks.

After this I am done with your nonsense. I assume you are 13. You complain that we do not play anyone OOC in FB. Well the same can be said in BBall. All of our good OOC games are in MSG. You cannot have it both ways. You lose.

 

[SUfaninAZ]

After this I am done with your nonsense. I assume you are 13. You complain that we do not play anyone OOC in FB. Well the same can be said in BBall. All of our good OOC games are in MSG. You cannot have it both ways. You lose.

Those are tournament games, not home games brought to MSG. We would never take a Georgetown home game to NYC.

 

[kingottoiii]

Those are tournament games, not home games brought to MSG. We would never take a Georgetown home game to NYC.

And we are not taking Dome FB games to MetLife so what exactly is the issue here? People need to stop being naive USC wasn't coming to the Dome.

 

[Chip]

I always felt that the reason Dr. Gross wanted games played in NY was to help propel us to the ACC conference (help market us) and make sure people downstate knew we were NY's college team. But I have heard recently that Gross really didn't have much to do with getting us to the ACC at all. In fact no matter who was there, we would have gone anyways. So my question then lies with why are we going to NY? Is it for 5 million dollars? Is it for top end recruits? You saw yesterday with the attendance how pissed off the fan base is with 20k in the dome. And it is also because we played Stony Brook. Now that we are in the ACC please tell me what the point is of taking these great teams and moving the games to NY? The only thing we have shown is how crappy our fan base is downstate for football with the attendance against USC.

I think it's a really really really big stretch to assume Dome attendance for an 0-2 SU team against a 1AA team is in any way a result of a home game being moved to NYC. I know you followed your comment up by saying some of it is because it was Stony Brook, but I think that's most of it. Our 0-2 record being the other big piece. A lot of schools schedule 1AA's in the 12 game era, but I'm sure SU already knows that this particular town is probably more upset about a Stony Brook being on the schedule than NYC being on the schedule. With 4 BCS level OOC games, we didn't have a choice.


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[TexanMark]

Those are tournament games, not home games brought to MSG. We would never take a Georgetown home game to NYC.

If Cuse was #2 in Football attendance (like basketball) we'd still play a football game in NYC (MetLife) for exposure. Just give it up (whiny CNY fans)...this year was a bad year (several things came together to give us a 5 game home schedule)...bottomline we are all getting an upgrade in opponents starting in 2014.

 

[SUfaninAZ]

If Cuse was #2 in Football attendance (like basketball) we'd still play a football game in NYC (MetLife) for exposure. Just give it up (whiny CNY fans)...this year was a bad year (several things came together to give us a 5 game home schedule)...bottomline we are all getting an upgrade in opponents starting in 2014.

Just stating a fact on what he said. Not whining so you give it up.

 

[TexanMark]

Just stating a fact on what he said. Not whining so you give it up.

Sorry AZ it was not directed at you..directed at this guy out on the Internets.

 

[SUfaninAZ]

Sorry AZ it was not directed at you..directed at this guy out on the Internets.

All good. Threads like these need to be locked up before they get going.

 

[Cusefan95]

And we are not taking Dome FB games to MetLife so what exactly is the issue here? People need to stop being naive USC wasn't coming to the Dome.

If we cannot get teams like USC and Notre Dame to play at the Dime, the handwriting is on the wall - SU cannot and will not compete at the highest levels in college football anymore. If we're that undesirable an opponent, we're that undesirable a destination for a recruit. Which means going forward a 7-5 record will be the high water mark for football. Good luck to SU if they think a low level bowl game once every four years or so will fill the Dome.

I've said this before, the smart move for SU will be to do what Miami appears to be doing (for different reasons in their case) - de-emphasize football, slash the budget, and cash the ACC checks to stay in the black. Hoops and Lax is a lot cheaper, focus all efforts on winning there; accept that the Dome will look like the Orange Bowl did last week for Miami.

 

[IthacaBarrel]

Sorry AZ it was not directed at you..directed at this guy out on the Internets.

Good one Mark, well done. As I say to my buddies the past two weekends, tailgating with our kids, griilling, tossing the ball around, getting our kids together who are all similar ages and are now becoming diehard SU fans... Is this really not enjoyable if you are an SU fan? I don't get it, if you are an SU football fan, why not go to the -ing games if you are within 60 miles of the dome? I seriously don't get it. Seems that many would rather sit at home, whine and complain about every move that Gross, Marrone, and Hackett ever make. I would be pissed off too I guess. I certainly understand we need to win more games but What. Too me, its a great time

 

[Bayside44]

If we cannot get teams like USC and Notre Dame to play at the Dime, the handwriting is on the wall - SU cannot and will not compete at the highest levels in college football anymore. If we're that undesirable an opponent, we're that undesirable a destination for a recruit. Which means going forward a 7-5 record will be the high water mark for football. Good luck to SU if they think a low level bowl game once every four years or so will fill the Dome.

I've said this before, the smart move for SU will be to do what Miami appears to be doing (for different reasons in their case) - de-emphasize football, slash the budget, and cash the ACC checks to stay in the black. Hoops and Lax is a lot cheaper, focus all efforts on winning there; accept that the Dome will look like the Orange Bowl did last week for Miami.

Good grief.

Miami played an awful opponent and their stadium is truly in the middle of nowhere (great parking though).

If SU thinks they can make a huge pile of money every other year for something they won't get at home then so be it. We're playing in a frigging conference that found what we have to offfer worthy - with Miami, FSU, Clemson, GT, VT, etc etc etc...

 

[TexanMark]

Good grief.

Miami played an awful opponent and their stadium is truly in the middle of nowhere (great parking though).

If SU thinks they can make a huge pile of money every other year for something they won't get at home then so be it. We're playing in a frigging conference that found what we have to offfer worthy - with Miami, FSU, Clemson, GT, VT, etc etc etc...

Also, if every private school gave up and just cashed their checks...how long before there is a split or a raid? Syracuse can compete. The deck is stacked against going to the national championship but it can still be TCU, Baylor and Stanford. It wasn't too long ago when when those schools looked at at our FB program and said we want to be like them. Football runs in cycles for Syracuse. We are on the upswing. The fans need to do their part.

Our basketball team brings us instant name recogniton to recruits. NYC and the NE will provide us the bulk of our recruits. Our coach is perfect for developing talent. We could see SUNY Rutgers and Storrs suffer a perception problem stuck in the Sun Beast.

 

[reedny]

If you listened to Gross' comments during the SB game, this wasn't just about alumni gifts. It was a business decision -- a huge check ($5M ... offsets a big chunk of the BE exit fee), national TV exposure, a team at or near the top of the rankings, a gigantic media market with a big alumni base, a stage for NYC-area recruits to view SU as more of a national (as opposed to regional) team ... this was a no-brainer.

As to people's gripes, hey, I'm a STH too. The ticket wasn't in my packet either. And I don't much like traveling on a Friday night or paying for a hotel. But ... if these difficult game-times/venues give the 'Cuse better exposure, better recruits and lots of money to reinvest in the program ... I think we should all suck it up. Change is hard, but these changes are worth it.

 

[Cusefan95]

Also, if every private school gave up and just cashed their checks...how long before there is a split or a raid? Syracuse can compete. The deck is stacked against going to the national championship but it can still be TCU, Baylor and Stanford. It wasn't too long ago when when those schools looked at at our FB program and said we want to be like them. Football runs in cycles for Syracuse. We are on the upswing. The fans need to do their part.

I hear what you're saying, but Syracuse couldn't sell out in 1998 with a stacked schedule, a top 25 team, and a much stronger local economy. Attendance will get better if the team is winning, but realistically it's not going to be great. Ever. It's just not. I totally get moving games, but it just adds one more obstacle to local attendance.

Plus I I have a really hard time seeing recruits get juiced to come play in front of 35K at the Dome (or at the Meadowlands half empty or full of opponent's fans) - it doesn't matter if they're playing Florida State, it's just not an appealing environment to play in.

At some point SU is going to get left behind, moving to the ACC delays the day of reckoning a decade or two. There's just way too many obstacles to success to overcome - we've got some people blaming fans for not showing up, some blaming Gross - maybe its time to concede SU football is a lost cause.

 

[reedny]

I hear what you're saying, but Syracuse couldn't sell out in 1998 with a stacked schedule, a top 25 team, and a much stronger local economy. Attendance will get better if the team is winning, but realistically it's not going to be great. Ever. It's just not. I totally get moving games, but it just adds one more obstacle to local attendance.

Plus I I have a really hard time seeing recruits get juiced to come play in front of 35K at the Dome (or at the Meadowlands half empty or full of opponent's fans) - it doesn't matter if they're playing Florida State, it's just not an appealing environment to play in.

At some point SU is going to get left behind, moving to the ACC delays the day of reckoning a decade or two. There's just way too many obstacles to success to overcome - we've got some people blaming fans for not showing up, some blaming Gross - maybe its time to concede SU football is a lost cause.

I'm having a hard time understanding your level of pessimism. Personally, I don't like what TV does to a FB game. The commercial delays are frequent, the games are long, and the little guy in the red shirt needs to get dragged off the field by his headset.

However, the reality of major college sports today is that ... TV coverage is a huge factor that a lot of schools would kill for (financial survival, exposure, etc..). There is, as you describe, a negative local effect. Friday night games are not as popular; there are also quirky saturday start times and a few off-site venues. But all considered, this is a pretty small price to pay for national television exposure that reaches millions of people.

Community support will always be a vital component of Syracuse's success. We need fans to come to the Dome. But at some point, local fans also have to accept that having SU play once in a while at the Metlife stadium for a big check and a national audience, is worth the inconvenience. We have more dates there, the money's good, the NYC alums will catch on, hopefully local fans will adjust and NYC recruits will eat it up (this is already paying dividends). Local fans can pout and stay home, or they can get in the Dome and support a program that is doing its best to survive financially, build its national image and enhance its recruiting power.

 

[Crusty]

I don't think it is a lost cause at all. These things go in 5-15 year waves (except for those willing to pay the most for players).

• USC had its mediocre times before it got Reggie Bush, Palmer etc.
• Clemson stunk for many years - they went for 20 years before winning a ACC championship.
• Oklahoma had its hard times after Switzer.
• Stanford was 16-40 before Harbaugh.
• Baylor sucked before RGIII

The list can go on and on. While coaching makes a huge difference, so much depends on one or two great players. Not only do they win games but they get press and others want to play with them. SU has had its share of great players and will again. We can certainly be a top 25 program, if not every year.

Metlife will get better and better attendance as time goes by especially for ND and PedState. It will be an asset in recruiting and money over the long haul.

We are in the best position we have been in for the last 20 years. I like our chances.

 

[nzm136]

It was the first SU game played in Metlife, the weather was horrible, and, on paper, we were going to get butchered. The more we play there, the more attendance will grow, the less the weather sucks (and it won't be that bad most eyars) the more people will go, and the more people have faith in the team, the more people will go. All-in-all, it was a promising begginning, and it will build over time. It wasn't included in the season ticket package, which are VERY cheap, so the fans aren't literally paying for it, or much else for that matter, and by moving to the ACC, we are upgrading our schedule, so even with the loss of one game every couple of years, the local fans aren't paying for it in a figurative sense either. Honestly, which scenario is more attractive: Rutgers, USF, and Uconn, or FSU, Georgia Tech, and a game on national TV against ND/PSU/USC? I'll take the 2 big marquee games and the national TV game against a big-name team over 3 nobodies!