Brands Matter

[WickedOrange]

http://www.whatyoupayforsports.com/...rts-prevail-over-minor-leagues-brands-matter/

 

[OrangePA]

This Is It.

Why Traditional Uniforms And Traditions Themselves Matter.

It's Not About The Players.

It's About The Uniform Over A Period Of Decades.

That's Why Alabama Does Not Mess With It's Look.

 

[Todd Gack]

This Is It. Why Traditional Uniforms And Traditions Themselves Matter. It's Not About The Players. It's About The Uniform Over A Period Of Decades. That's Why Alabama Does Not Mess With It's Look.

I think you're reading more into that article than what's there. It's not about the players? Did Rutgers stink most of their existence because they tinkered with their uniforms? [Edit: I get now what you're saying about the players -- that they are not what bind a fan's loyalty to a program, but rather fabric, quad walks, and chants. I was thinking you meant what made a team "good." Anyways, I disagree with you on that, too -- and my other points stand.]

You act as though Syracuse changed their look for the first time under Gross -- where a Google search of "Syracuse football" readily turns up pictures of Brown, Davis, Csonka, and other Syracuse greats in all white, all orange, orange pants without stripes, numbers on helmets, etc. When Davis told Little to go to SU, do you think the topic of uniforms came up?

It's your right not to like the changes -- I honestly couldn't care less, and don't mind the blue look -- but you can't say you have better insight into the issue than Shafer or other powers-that-be whose job it is to put the best team on the field.

 

[bnoro]

This Is It.

Why Traditional Uniforms And Traditions Themselves Matter.

It's Not About The Players.

It's About The Uniform Over A Period Of Decades.

That's Why Alabama Does Not Mess With It's Look.

We don't have traditional uniforms. We never wore the same uniform over a period of decades. We need a new brand.

Oregon has built their brand over a period of 5 years.

 

[All4SU]

Don't change on a weekly basis.

Imagine if you went to the store to buy beer, and every week your favorite brands changed their packaging.
"It's not rocketship science." - Coach Paul Pasqualoni

 

[Alsacs]

This Is It.

Why Traditional Uniforms And Traditions Themselves Matter.

It's Not About The Players.

It's About The Uniform Over A Period Of Decades.

That's Why Alabama Does Not Mess With It's Look.

I like your posts and positions on most things, but I am 100% the opposite on this position you have regarding SU uniforms. Jim Brown's SU teams wore Orange tops, Ernie Davis' SU teams wore White tops at home, the Art Monk teams wore Blue tops, Don McPherson teams wore different blue jerseys, Marvin Graves teams stayed with the same as McPherson, McNabb after his Freshman year had a different jersey, Troy Nunes/R.J. Anderson had the McNabb era uniforms from Soph year on and added an Orange alternate top. Perry Patterson SU teams wore new uniforms when GRob took over. Andrew Robinson SU teams had the Fugly Orange tops and first block S. Ryan Nassib/Greg Paulus SU teams wore the Freshman McNabb era style uniforms with the updated Block S helmets and finally this year we added the blue pants/blue/orange helmet.


Syracuse has no traditional look like Alabama/Penn State. You like the McPherson SU teams jerseys like they have always been like that when they haven't. Wanting an Orange top with Blue/White pants IS NOT A LOT TO ASK FOR.

 

[TheCusian]

We don't have traditional uniforms. We never wore the same uniform over a period of decades. We need a new brand. Oregon has built their brand over a period of 5 years.

That's the thing. There's a lot of complaining about not becoming Oregon. Like it or not the have a very effective brand. The system they've employed has helped raise the status of the school (in addition to their consistent winning on the field).

What would happen if they decided to wear one uni from here on out? Complaints from players and fans - guaranteed.

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If we get to where we want to go - winning at a higher clip, the ACC and beyond - with a new uni system and building on the brand ... There will be a lot of fans who buy into that brand - it will become their McNabb era uni's.

 

[Todd Gack]

Don't change on a weekly basis.

Imagine if you went to the store to buy beer, and every week your favorite brands changed their packaging.
"It's not rocketship science." - Coach Paul Pasqualoni

You still buy and drink the damn beer.

 

[JJReddawg]

Don't change on a weekly basis.

Imagine if you went to the store to buy beer, and every week your favorite brands changed their packaging.
"It's not rocketship science." - Coach Paul Pasqualoni

Imagine it had the same packaging, but they changed their recipe. Look at the EPL. They change uniforms all the time. It doesn't hurt their teams branding.

 

[sufandu]

I think you change when you can do something better. Change only for the sake of change doesn't work. Oregon's brand isn't just because of a bunch of uniforms. Their brand has been established by playing a certain exciting style that was brought in by an innovative head coach and having the Nike funds to support it. Do Oregon's uniforms establish such a well known brand absent the cash and with Greg Robinson as coach?

If we're going to emulate a school, I think we should look to Stanford more than Oregon.

 

[DoubleDee]

I like your posts and positions on most things, but I am 100% the opposite on this position you have regarding SU uniforms. Jim Brown's SU teams wore Orange tops, Ernie Davis' SU teams wore White tops at home, the Art Monk teams wore Blue tops, Don McPherson teams wore different blue jerseys, Marvin Graves teams stayed with the same as McPherson, McNabb after his Freshman year had a different jersey, Troy Nunes/R.J. Anderson had the McNabb era uniforms from Soph year on and added an Orange alternate top. Perry Patterson SU teams wore new uniforms when GRob took over. Andrew Robinson SU teams had the Fugly Orange tops and first block S. Ryan Nassib/Greg Paulus SU teams wore the Freshman McNabb era style uniforms with the updated Block S helmets and finally this year we added the blue pants/blue/orange helmet. Syracuse has no traditional look like Alabama/Penn State. You like the McPherson SU teams jerseys like they have always been like that when they haven't. Wanting an Orange top with Blue/White pants IS NOT A LOT TO ASK FOR.

OMG thank you. Exactly my thoughts, well said. It has evolved and will continue to.

 

[sufandu]

In regards to the idea in the article about college athletes being exploited because there is so much money being generated, why is it we feel the need to protect these "exploited" athletes, but we couldn't give two sh!ts about a blue collar worker with a mortgage and three kids to support getting laid off because the billionaire CEO of his company wants a bigger bonus this year?

USA Today estimated the value of one year of a college athletic scholarship, and it's more than double the median annual income in the U.S. There are more important things to worry about in our country than the fabrication that is the idea of scholarship athletes being exploited.

http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/sports/college/mensbasketball/2011-value-of-college-scholarship.htm

 

[HtownOrange]

The article completely passes over that each player is offered a free ride at school. Whether that take advantage of it or not is the issue, the mere fact that they get the free ride in exchange for playing is the issue. I have no issue with paying at athletes on top of their scholarships, everyone needs pizza and movie money in college and they cannot get settled and jobs.

Each kid gets the equivalent of $50,000-$60,000/year in education. State schools reduce the outlay but this is done via taxpayers, not because the school is actually providing education for less money than private schools. The public schools merely have millions of sugar daddies and sugar mommas.

 

[sufandu]

The article completely passes over that each player is offered a free ride at school. Whether that take advantage of it or not is the issue, the mere fact that they get the free ride in exchange for playing is the issue. I have no issue with paying at athletes on top of their scholarships, everyone needs pizza and movie money in college and they cannot get settled and jobs.

Each kid gets the equivalent of $50,000-$60,000/year in education. State schools reduce the outlay but this is done via taxpayers, not because the school is actually providing education for less money than private schools. The public schools merely have millions of sugar daddies and sugar mommas.

Scholarship athletes already stipends, on top of tuition, books, room, and board, that they can use for pizza and movies. That's another thing that never seems to get mentioned.