Btw... Who's our QB this weekend?

[kjb120]

When has Wilson Had a real chance . I thought He was really moving the offense in the second possession vs Dook and they yanked him in the red zone and killed the mojo.

Well he had his chances against Villanova, and played about the same amount as Long against fsu. Then the staff decided that Long was the QB going further, which seems to me that coaches believe Long is that better option, and that's with Long being a true freshmen and not having a full year under his belt.

 

[CousCuse]

Well he had his chances against Villanova, and played about the same amount as Long against fsu. Then the staff decided that Long was the QB going further, which seems to me that coaches believe Long is that better option, and that's with Long being a true freshmen and not having a full year under his belt.

I thought He did well in the Nova game considering the circumstances . It appeared Scott took the Game out of his hands as he thought the D could handle Nova , but Jon Robertson had other ideas.

 

[orangepassion]

I think Wilson needs a great team with a great OL and great athletes all around to shine. Other than that, I just don't see him being successful. I'd be happy for him to prove me wrong, though.

 

[Pat Kelly]

When has Wilson Had a real chance . I thought He was really moving the offense in the second possession vs Dook and they yanked him in the red zone and killed the mojo.

Wilson started the FSU game as starting QB… by the end of the game, Long was the starter. I'd say that's pretty telling. Wilson has looked the worst of the four.

 

[Crusty]

Maybe not worded as clearly as I would have liked. But what I meant to say is that it seems like Austin throws his INT's based on misreads.

He doesn't seem as adept at reading the defense presnap or during the play...

AJ has six interceptions half of which were misreads, including the 82-yard pick 6 vs NC State on a play he has seen a hundred times in practice. The LB blitzed and the DE fropped back in coverage and AJ threw it right to him. Wilson did a similar thing on the play where he didn't get the right play call from the sidelines.

The stated reason that Wilson got the backup nod was that he took care of the ball and knew the O better than AJ. I think this has turned out to be accurate.

AJ has an adequate arm. Up to about 20 yards he is accurate, but after that he is suspect. In the wind at Wake it was most evident. Wilson will not fit Lester's offense so, we are left with hoping AJ can develop. The entire season next year is in the hands of Lester and his QB. The D will be fine and we need to score points - desperately.

 

[TheCusian]

AJ has six interceptions half of which were misreads, including the 82-yard pick 6 vs NC State on a play he has seen a hundred times in practice. The LB blitzed and the DE fropped back in coverage and AJ threw it right to him. Wilson did a similar thing on the play where he didn't get the right play call from the sidelines.

The stated reason that Wilson got the backup nod was that he took care of the ball and knew the O better than AJ. I think this has turned out to be accurate.

AJ has an adequate arm. Up to about 20 yards he is accurate, but after that he is suspect. In the wind at Wake it was most evident. Wilson will not fit Lester's offense so, we are left with hoping AJ can develop. The entire season next year is in the hands of Lester and his QB. The D will be fine and we need to score points - desperately.

You're letting your love for Wilson cloud your judgement, I think. The reason Wilson got the backup nod was because AJ's arm got tweaked and he missed the open practice. The play where the call came in incorrectly was Hunt vs Maryland (pick 6). AJ plays half his games in the dome and hit Ish and West for a bunch of 20+ yard gains. His problem is 40+. I have not been impressed with Wilson's ability to be accurate on short/intermediate passes. At least when the pocket breaks down we have a chance with AJ...

We need someone to step it up - and we do need loads more points. If we were top 60 in offense vs. where we are (100+) - we'd be a bowl team with our D.

 

[KaiserUEO]

oh by the way, which one's Pink??

 

[Crusty]

You're letting your love for Wilson cloud your judgement, I think. The reason Wilson got the backup nod was because AJ's arm got tweaked and he missed the open practice. The play where the call came in incorrectly was Hunt vs Maryland (pick 6). AJ plays half his games in the dome and hit Ish and West for a bunch of 20+ yard gains. His problem is 40+. I have not been impressed with Wilson's ability to be accurate on short/intermediate passes. At least when the pocket breaks down we have a chance with AJ...

We need someone to step it up - and we do need loads more points. If we were top 60 in offense vs. where we are (100+) - we'd be a bowl team with our D.

Yes you are correct about the missed call. I was thinking about a different play by Wilson that was a clear misread.

At the time Wilson got the nod, that is what Lester said. AJ did have a sore arm, but that was not the reason Lester gave.

Anyway, I have watched every game a couple of time now and a couple of them three times. From what I see, the most inaccurate passer is clearly Hunt. Wilson is just as accurate as AJ and there is just no comparison in arm strength. AJ is more accurate rolling out, but he is done after about 20 yards. The problem is that arm strength doesn't seem to improve that much during a QB's college career. They get better with touch and sometimes accuracy, but not strength.

I think Ryan Nassib is the model for what a strong armed smart QB can do. Dual threat QB's are getting killed all over the P5. It's great while they are healthy, but if they aren't 6'4" 230, they are not durable enough. Hell, even Hunt got knocked out.

Wilson will probably transfer in 2016 and Hunt will probably start next year. I am pretty well resigned to that. We will have to remain healthy next year to have a winning season. I am not sure AJ can do that.

 

[RMH44]

You're letting your love for Wilson cloud your judgement, I think. The reason Wilson got the backup nod was because AJ's arm got tweaked and he missed the open practice. The play where the call came in incorrectly was Hunt vs Maryland (pick 6). AJ plays half his games in the dome and hit Ish and West for a bunch of 20+ yard gains. His problem is 40+. I have not been impressed with Wilson's ability to be accurate on short/intermediate passes. At least when the pocket breaks down we have a chance with AJ...

We need someone to step it up - and we do need loads more points. If we were top 60 in offense vs. where we are (100+) - we'd be a bowl team with our D.

Honestly, I think you're both missing what really happened with the back-up QB decision. The coaches fully expected Kimble to win the job going away. Wilson wasn't even in the discussion until Kimble's chronic back injury held him back. So I guess my point is...that it was more like Kimble "lost" the job than Wilson "won" it.

Wilson has a great arm but he doesn't have the feel in the pocket or the athletic ability to be effective in our current offense. AJ seems to have a better feel and more athletic ability but he is so damn small and his arm is average at best. Kimble seems to have far more ability than both but his health issues have really hampered his progress. If healthy, I hope they turn the Pitt game over to Kimble and see what he can do.

 

[TheCusian]

Honestly, I think you're both missing what really happened with the back-up QB decision. The coaches fully expected Kimble to win the job going away. Wilson wasn't even in the discussion until Kimble's chronic back injury held him back. So I guess my point is...that it was more like Kimble "lost" the job than Wilson "won" it.

Wilson has a great arm but he doesn't have the feel in the pocket or the athletic ability to be effective in our current offense. AJ seems to have a better feel and more athletic ability but he is so damn small and his arm is average at best. Kimble seems to have far more ability than both but his health issues have really hampered his progress. If healthy, I hope they turn the Pitt game over to Kimble and see what he can do.

I was hopeful that Kimble would be the #2 coming out. But he didn't look great passing the ball vs. Duke.

I think with all these kids - they have a chance to grow into something. I just think AJ's got the highest upside.

Also: We need to be better than all 4 have shown. I don't know if Lester's offense (once installed) will be enough - but it could be grim no matter who the guy is.

 

[RMH44]

I was hopeful that Kimble would be the #2 coming out. But he didn't look great passing the ball vs. Duke.

I think with all these kids - they have a chance to grow into something. I just think AJ's got the highest upside.

Also: We need to be better than all 4 have shown. I don't know if Lester's offense (once installed) will be enough - but it could be grim no matter who the guy is.

Disagree about AJ. I was actually very surprised by his lack of athletic ability. Basically, he is a small guy with an average arm and limited speed/quickness.

He does have a nice feel for the pocket and is fairly accurate with his short and medium passes but his lack of arm strength is a huge limiting factor. At his size, his lack of athletic ability will get him killed. In the past, some have suggested a position change...but where do you play a guy that small that lacks speed and quickness?

 

[CUSU]

Disagree about AJ. I was actually very surprised by his lack of athletic ability. Basically, he is a small guy with an average arm and limited speed/quickness.

He does have a nice feel for the pocket and is fairly accurate with his short and medium passes but his lack of arm strength is a huge limiting factor. At his size, his lack of athletic ability will get him killed. In the past, some have suggested a position change...but where do you play a guy that small that lacks speed and quickness?

:noidea:

 

[TheCusian]

Disagree about AJ. I was actually very surprised by his lack of athletic ability. Basically, he is a small guy with an average arm and limited speed/quickness. He does have a nice feel for the pocket and is fairly accurate with his short and medium passes but his lack of arm strength is a huge limiting factor. At his size, his lack of athletic ability will get him killed. In the past, some have suggested a position change...but where do you play a guy that small that lacks speed and quickness?

I think your underselling his speed and quickness quite a bit. There were a few broken plays where he had 10 yards in a blink. Hunt would have had 7. Wilson -4.

 

[Rocco]

Wilson started the FSU game as starting QB… by the end of the game, Long was the starter. I'd say that's pretty telling. Wilson has looked the worst of the four.

Poor example. Wilson got lit up and left that game wobbling into the tunnel.

 

[TheCusian]

Poor example. Wilson got lit up and left that game wobbling into the tunnel.

Yeah - but how did you feel about his performance prior to that hit vs. what AJ had done?

 

[Pat Kelly]

Poor example. Wilson got lit up and left that game wobbling into the tunnel.

Either way, I think Wilson has been the worst of the four.

 

[OrangeXtreme]

Syracuse football freshman QB AJ Long returns to practice, competing for time this weekend (PS: Bailey)

 

[kjb120]

Yeah - but how did you feel about his performance prior to that hit vs. what AJ had done?

Agreed, and that is why the staff named AJ the starter after that game. From what I've seen from Wilson I'm not sold that his arm/accuracy is good enough to make up for his lack of athleticism, and I agree with Pat Kelly, I think he's played the worst out of the 4.

 

[NashvilleOrange]

They all stink but Long would be my pick.

 

[storange]

They all stink but Long would be my pick.

Wow, Nobody any more down about this season then me but that's just out of line. IMO Long gives us a slim chance with our beat up O line, Wilson is can't run and Kimble I haven't seen enough of.

 

[Chip]

I think your underselling his speed and quickness quite a bit. There were a few broken plays where he had 10 yards in a blink. Hunt would have had 7. Wilson -4.

I thought Long looked quick against FSU.

Then, suddenly, he didn't. Couple plays in the Wake and Clemson games where he took off and I immediately thought uh oh, he's slower than I thought. Because without that...

 

[NashvilleOrange]

Wow, Nobody any more down about this season then me but that's just out of line. IMO Long gives us a slim chance with our beat up O line, Wilson is can't run and Kimble I haven't seen enough of.

Probably a bit harsh. I guess I should say I don't have much confidence in any of our 4 QBs so go with the one that has had the most (albeit few) bright spots.

 

[SUbear]

That is just not correct. Wilson has accuracy and touch and the best long ball of everyone. What is more, he is the only one that can make all the throws. However, he is just like AJ - needs experience. I doubt they will take any chances on anyone who is not healthy enough tom play so if AJ has any lingering effects I don't think we will see him.

He has a mobility issue, and with our offensive line problems that is a huge negative for Wilson. Opposing defenses will blitz him and unless he can get the ball off extremely quickly(which makes ints more probable), he will be sacked many times. He could be a decent QB if we can get our offensive line and backs to effectively pass block.

 

[SUbear]

Well he had his chances against Villanova, and played about the same amount as Long against fsu. Then the staff decided that Long was the QB going further, which seems to me that coaches believe Long is that better option, and that's with Long being a true freshmen and not having a full year under his belt.

Wilson was hurt in that game and that was the reason Long became the QB, had nothing to do with a coaching decision, unless you think they should have played him while injured.

 

[Crusty]

He has a mobility issue, and with our offensive line problems that is a huge negative for Wilson. Opposing defenses will blitz him and unless he can get the ball off extremely quickly(which makes ints more probable), he will be sacked many times. He could be a decent QB if we can get our offensive line and backs to effectively pass block.

If the Offense is not option oriented the QB only needs to step up in the pocket and does not need to be a scrambler. As a matter of fact it is healthier that way!