Buffalo Bills 2025 Thread

[STEVEHOLT]

Playoffs are a legit concern. Pats have the AFC east.

I mean it doesn’t really matter. They just aren’t good. They’ll make the playoffs because the league has a lot of trash teams.. but we aren’t very good

 

[Toga]

PU

 

[hoopsupstate]

The Bills were woefully unprepared today. Their effort was awful and Allen was still in Buffalo. His interception in the end zone, on the first drive in the second half was the game. Just a horrible throw. His fumble was a joke.

 

[MSOrange]

Every single member of this organization should be embarrassed. What a disgusting performance

 

[STEVEHOLT]

The Bills were woefully unprepared today. Their effort was awful and Allen was still in Buffalo. His interception in the end zone, on the first drive in the second half was the game. Just a horrible throw. His fumble was a joke.

The cook fumble was also a joke. It’s not often you fumble after getting past the line and are about to go off for a long gain. We did it twice in plus territory . Easily 14 Pts flushed. Not to mention the INT in the end zone . 21 pts flushed .. meanwhile the Miami INTs were both third and forever arm punts

 

[STEVEHOLT]

Every single member of this organization should be embarrassed. What a disgusting performance

I don’t think it’s that bad . I put it on Beane and The Coach. I don’t even blame the players .. they are all injured to crap and have no help scheme wise

 

[STEVEHOLT]

The bulldog dude on the post game show made a good point. Basically said the offense that Brady has implemented is so basic and conservative , and is based so much on plays close to the line of scrimmage, Mitch trubisky could run it. Basically waste of Allen’s talent

 

[BuffOrange]

The cook fumble was also a joke. It’s not often you fumble after getting past the line and are about to go off for a long gain. We did it twice in plus territory . Easily 14 Pts flushed. Not to mention the INT in the end zone . 21 pts flushed .. meanwhile the Miami INTs were both third and forever arm punts

Yup. Worth noting for all those a couple years ago who insisted arm punts aren't a thing when Allen was throwing them. This game was exhibit A that they do.

 

[BuffOrange]

Really striking out with the in-person road games. I wanted to hit up Lambeau next year but may have to punt on that.

 

[NineOneSeven]

 

[NineOneSeven]

 

[STEVEHOLT]

 

[STEVEHOLT]

Well, i did it to myself again. watched highlights from around the league and what do I see? All kinds of incredible athletes making incredible plays league-wide. Im not just referring to the household names. But you see random receivers making crazy plays helping out their qbs. Then we have the Bills. Has anyone made any type of great play all year from our receiving corp? Shakir has some excellent RACs. thats about all i can remember. The dude on the vikings made two incredible toe tapping catches on one drive. can we get some of that?

 

[Orangeman]

No urgency ? We are down 16! we will need at least 3 scores to win and they’re running the offense like they’re up 20

I was very upset about this at the game.

Down two “full” TDs and you run 9 mins off the clock on your opening series of the 2H? What year are we in? Tempo, change it up?

Truly sad, pathetic coaching.

 

[JeremyCuse]

I was very upset about this at the game.

Down two “full” TDs and you run 9 mins off the clock on your opening series of the 2H? What year are we in? Tempo, change it up?

Truly sad, pathetic coaching.

Was watching the game out and a Bills fan next to me noted the same thing, why are we going so slow. As Steveholt noted above part of the problem is that this offense has almost zero big play capability. When everything has to be a dink or dunk these kind of games are going to happen. I understand Buffalo not getting Waddle but we needed to get at least a speed guy in here to help open things up. The passing game is extremely bad right now, Allen doesn't trust anyone but Shakir and Palmer/Kincaid can't stay on the field.

 

[NineOneSeven]

It’s very clear our recipe for winning is get an early lead and then hold it. It sounds very obvious but as noted we aren’t built for catch up due to lacking those big downfield threats. Obviously week 1 was an extreme anomaly, which happens in football.

And to be fair we are typically pretty good with that recipe. We score so frequently on our first drive and we are able to maintain that rest of the way.

When it’s not going to go well it’s almost always very clear from the start. And once we start adding in turnovers, it becomes even more clear. Yesterday from the first possession you knew it wasn’t going to be pretty.

 

[Melancer46]

Small victory, but as the All-22 footage comes out, it looks like Coleman actually played really well. If Josh could get him the ball, he could have had a good 150-200 receiving yards yesterday and a few TDs. Hopefully something to build off of but we'll see.

 

[STEVEHOLT]

It’s very clear our recipe for winning is get an early lead and then hold it. It sounds very obvious but as noted we aren’t built for catch up due to lacking those big downfield threats. Obviously week 1 was an extreme anomaly, which happens in football.

And to be fair we are typically pretty good with that recipe. We score so frequently on our first drive and we are able to maintain that rest of the way.

When it’s not going to go well it’s almost always very clear from the start. And once we start adding in turnovers, it becomes even more clear. Yesterday from the first possession you knew it wasn’t going to be pretty.

Amazing the stark difference between playing from behind vs ahead. Problem being , during a playoff run it’s quite unlikely you are always going to be even or ahead due to the quality of opponent. You can’t have only one path to victory.

what scares me is how even I (with zero background in playing or coaching football .. zero background in formations or play calling or personell packages) can immediately recognize what we are going to do pre-snap. We have such a seemingly limited armamentarium of plays that anything outside of the most basic is easily distinguished.

If it’s easy for me to see what’s coming, imagine what a d coordinator with extensive game footage study can see. I think Brady might be a very average coordinator that drops to less than average when not in a position to direct game flow due to time / score. But I have no expert knowledge to validate this. Just a hunch based on watching other teams with lesser Qbs operate

 

[NineOneSeven]

Small victory, but as the All-22 footage comes out, it looks like Coleman actually played really well. If Josh could get him the ball, he could have had a good 150-200 receiving yards yesterday and a few TDs. Hopefully something to build off of but we'll see.

Good! He was playing a backup secondary too.

 

[NineOneSeven]

Amazing the stark difference between playing from behind vs ahead. Problem being , during a playoff run it’s quite unlikely you are always going to be even or ahead due to the quality of opponent. You can’t have only one path to victory.

what scares me is how even I (with zero background in playing or coaching football .. zero background in formations or play calling or personell packages) can immediately recognize what we are going to do pre-snap. We have such a seemingly limited armamentarium of plays that anything outside of the most basic is easily distinguished.

If it’s easy for me to see what’s coming, imagine what a d coordinator with extensive game footage study can see. I think Brady might be a very average coordinator that drops to less than average when not in a position to direct game flow due to time / score. But I have no expert knowledge to validate this. Just a hunch based on watching other teams with lesser Qbs operate

Bubble screen to shakir

Middle cross to Kincaid

Sideline throw to Coleman

Scramble around and eventually find the occasional Moore, Knox, Palmer downfield

 

[Cusefan0307]

The offensive design overall is extremely vanilla. I don’t think Brady is it. Watching teams like the Rams, Lions and Seahawks it makes it look like the Bills are playing a different sport. I get the Bills receivers aren’t as talented, but nothing is easy. There’s no designed throws whatsoever in the intermediate range(10-20 yards)at all.

 

[Orangeman]

Amazing the stark difference between playing from behind vs ahead. Problem being , during a playoff run it’s quite unlikely you are always going to be even or ahead due to the quality of opponent. You can’t have only one path to victory.

what scares me is how even I (with zero background in playing or coaching football .. zero background in formations or play calling or personell packages) can immediately recognize what we are going to do pre-snap. We have such a seemingly limited armamentarium of plays that anything outside of the most basic is easily distinguished.

If it’s easy for me to see what’s coming, imagine what a d coordinator with extensive game footage study can see. I think Brady might be a very average coordinator that drops to less than average when not in a position to direct game flow due to time / score. But I have no expert knowledge to validate this. Just a hunch based on watching other teams with lesser Qbs operate

Yeah, but you're watching every game intently, unlike these other coaches who are busy coaching their own teams

(sarcasm emoji)

 

[Melancer46]

The offensive design overall is extremely vanilla. I don’t think Brady is it. Watching teams like the Rams, Lions and Seahawks it makes it look like the Bills are playing a different sport. I get the Bills receivers aren’t as talented, but nothing is easy. There’s no designed throws whatsoever in the intermediate range(10-20 yards)at all.

This frankly is not true, but yeah, the first part is. Brady has gotten rid of a lot of the option routes and stuff that Daboll favored and simplified the offense for Josh. It is fairly vanilla in terms of concepts but what makes it effective is (1) our run blocking is just generally awesome and that helps both in the run game and also helping to create more openings in the pass game and (2) the roles within those concepts change so even if the defense is expecting a certain pass concept, they don't really know which players are running which routes.

Some defenses have been able to effectively pass receivers off to one another and basically allow them to cover the routes rather than the players but obviously that hasn't consistently worked as evidenced by the fact that we've been close to the #1 offense in the league since hiring Brady.

Ultimately, nobody would likely be complaining about the offensive system if Josh was executing it well but for whatever reason he's been off his game most of the season and has had to fall back on bad habits as a result.

 

[JeremyCuse]

With Daboll out Beane should be on the phone immediately to get him in here in any capacity to work with Brady.

 

[kirbivore]

what scares me is how even I (with zero background in playing or coaching football .. zero background in formations or play calling or personell packages) can immediately recognize what we are going to do pre-snap. We have such a seemingly limited armamentarium of plays that anything outside of the most basic is easily distinguished.

sounds like the post McNabb years George D offense