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Class of 2023 C Luke Wilson (GA) TRANSFERRING TO SYRACUSE (4/21/26)

In an open market, with talent evaluators out the wazzoo, in the most in demand position in the sport, I have a hard time believing any player is going for a cent less than they are worth.

...which has zero to do with my post.

Estrella cost more than Wilson. Estrella also had a higher recruiting profile dating back to high school, compared to Wilson. Estrella was a higher rated transfer prospect than Wilson. Hence, the price tag was higher.

But that doesn't change that Wilson offers similar scoring / rebounding / shotblocking potential, as suggested by the per40 metrics.

So... we got a produtive player for less than Estrella cost. Not sure what's so controviersial about that.
 
Yup. Another outlier with one of the best freshman ever. Any team that plays small ball needs something else that makes up for the lack of size.
He is talking about the 2010 team. In 2003, we had a 7 footer as our starting center
 
Death….taxes…people on this board complaining about something that we have no clue what will happen.
coloring book please GIF

PBR me ASAP. I can’t take it anymore!! 😂
 
I think what the group of people who expect us to be banging with the big boys in the top 10 fail to grasp is that IF we were to get to that point we need to build up to it. The landscape has changed and even if we are say a top 10 Bball program historically we are outside the top 50 in the NIL era. We need to become a quality NCAAT team in the NIL era to be able to leverage our historic success.

On second thought "grasp" is wrong they certainly comprehend the situation its accepting it that eludes them. Acceptance is a much harder thing in general for human beings.
Agreed with most of this. But you think we’re outside the top 50 basketball programs in the NIL era? What?!?! That’s a wild statement and nowhere near accurate. That would put us near the bottom of the P5. I have to strongly disagree with you there. A lot of schools in the P5 reportedly still have a fraction of our roster resources (NIL and rev share).
 
...which has zero to do with my post.

Estrella cost more than Wilson. Estrella also had a higher recruiting profile dating back to high school, compared to Wilson. Estrella was a higher rated transfer prospect than Wilson. Hence, the price tag was higher.

But that doesn't change that Wilson offers similar scoring / rebounding / shotblocking potential, as suggested by the per40 metrics.

So... we got a produtive player for less than Estrella cost. Not sure what's so controviersial about that.

AND - Wilson is a dude who doesn’t have that injury history.

Estrella is a better prospect - IF he’s healthy.
But that’s been a UUUUGE question mark for him.

The most important ability for any player is -
availability.

Wilson has that.
Estrella = ???
 
Agreed with most of this. But you think we’re outside the top 50 basketball programs in the NIL era? What?!?! That’s a wild statement and nowhere near accurate. That would put us near the bottom of the P5. I have to strongly disagree with you there. A lot of schools in the P5 reportedly still have a fraction of our roster resources (NIL and rev share).

Honestly that number is a complete guess. I'm not tied to it. I was also going by just NIL era on court results thus far. No NCAAT appearances is damning. How many P5 teams have made an NCAAT in the NIL era?

I'm pretty optimistic that we are looking at an NCAAT team this year based on the coaching staff and the not quite finished roster. I also agree from a resource/facility standpoint we are much higher than 50 but that only makes the results more disappointing.
 
AND - Wilson is a dude who doesn’t have that injury history.

Estrella is a better prospect - IF he’s healthy.
But that’s been a UUUUGE question mark for him.

The most important ability for any player is -
availability.

Wilson has that.
Estrella = ???
Add Owen Freeman to the ???? too
 
...which has zero to do with my post.

Estrella cost more than Wilson. Estrella also had a higher recruiting profile dating back to high school, compared to Wilson. Estrella was a higher rated transfer prospect than Wilson. Hence, the price tag was higher.

But that doesn't change that Wilson offers similar scoring / rebounding / shotblocking potential, as suggested by the per40 metrics.

So... we got a produtive player for less than Estrella cost. Not sure what's so controviersial about that.
Im just saying im not sure he as cheap as people might think he is.
 
Random Thoughts on Luke Wilson

Because it has become a thing, let's cover Appalachian State where our new center comes from. They play in the Sun Belt, which was 21st among conferences in SRS, 20th in NET.

The team was 191 in the NET, 206 in SRS.

We are trying to judge another low ranking conference transfer and how they will perform in the 4th rated ACC (by both SRS and NET).

First, let's discuss his size. Wilson came to college listed at 285, probably because he was also a football recruit. He was offered by 4 low D1 programs as a Defensive end/Tight end. He redshirted his freshman year on the App State basketball team, and plays at a slimmed down 255, though that might be underestimating his weight. It is unusual for basketball players to "slim down" to 255, usually they only get so big after years working hard in the weight room.

I posted earlier that he has 600 lb squat legs, unfortunately I couldn't confirm or deny that randomly thrown out number in a Google search. His football background explains his enormous legs.

In spite of his mighty thews, Wilson's highlights show him to be a nimble athlete with respectable leaping ability. He doesn't play under the rim per se, making the frequent Arinze Onuaku references in this thread less applicable.

Wilson was the Sun Belt Defensive Player of the Year. He has an interesting set of characteristics which allows him to be a dominant low major defensive player that might translate to the ACC. He is big and strong, which helps against burly middle men even at the highest levels. He is long armed and has decent timing for blocking or altering shots. But his ability to be switchable and give hard hedges on the pick and roll is critical to modern defenses. While obviously Wilson is only one of five players, his defense in the middle allowed App State to be top50 in 8 defensive categories. Most importantly when judging a center's impact, they were 16th in defensive FG% and 17th in defensive 2PT%, both highly affected by a good defensive center.

On offense, Wilson is decent, scoring 10.2 on .642 shooting. He knows his limitations and attempted zero threes last season. His TS% was .625 because he is a bad FT shooter. His offense is decent, and he was often double teamed in his low major conference, and showed decent footwork to get layups at a high rate. He seems to overpower smaller players well, which will be less available to him in the ACC. If he can average 10ppg again, I would be pleasantly surprised. But he is at least a threat to score on more than just alley oops and drive and dish dunks.

Wilson is a good rebounder, not great. He is a well rounded rebounder, unlike some players we have seen recently that excel at only offense or defense rebounding. His defensive rebound % is 19.4, which would have been slightly better than William Kyle, ranking second on the team after Freeman's near elite defensive rebounding. He also cleared 12.8% of his own teams misses, which would have led our team. His total rebound percentage was 16.2%, a very respectable number, though coming from a lower league.

Since the percentages aren't competition adjusted, I'll give a few data points for comparison.
William Kyle had almost exactly the same rebounding percentages at South Dakota State and Syracuse, though he dropped at little at his stop at UCLA in the Big Ten.
Jyare Davis, coming from the CAA, dropped slightly coming to Syracuse.
Eddie Lampkin was actually much better at Syracuse than his previous stops in the PAC 12 and Big 12.

Without running a full analysis, my conclusion is that rebound% is relatively stable even moving up conferences... Playing style of both player and team matters more. Lampkin was the outlier, in that he never tried to block shots so was always in position to rebound when at Syracuse.

One of my major concerns about the roster as it is currently constructed is the lack of rebounding. White is a bad rebounder for his raw athletic ability, securing only 15.7% defensive and 12.5% total rebounds. Goodrick is better, getting 21.2% and 19% respectively. Doty, even with his slight build, might have been the second best rebounder on the roster before Wilson committed, at 17.4% and 11.4%. Tobiason and Dual are average rebounders for their position. Anthony avoids rebounding if he can help it. Everybody else is kind of unknown, though I have hopes for Sibi while being doubtful MMM will help much on the boards.

Wilson definitely shores up the impending rebounding issues, as would White making the sophomore leap in effectiveness.

That leads me to a tangent, of how much of this current roster relies on White being much more effective year over year. He had his moments and the advanced stats didn't hate him, but his PER of 16.7 and BPM of 1.8 and other advanced metrics indicate a lot of room for improvement. As of right now, we have him as the only power forward on the roster, with his backups playing out of position. While his TS% of .567 wasn't terrible, White was often an afterthought in the offense and thus didn't command defensive attention. We need White to improve his offense enough where defenses can't leave him alone. Improving his shooting, or expanding his ability to penetrate off the dribble or his post up game would help tremendously. White's .368 percentage wasn't bad, but he often failed to take wide open threes because the offense and defense didn't count him as a shooter. His 1.6 3pt attempts per 40 minutes were almost always wide open when the defense dared him to shoot.

In the context of a post about Luke Wilson, I wonder how Wilson and White will work together on offense. In many of Wilson's highlights, he enough of a post threat (strength of competition warning) to command double teams, and we will need to find the open man to prevent defenses packing in the middle. White needs to either shoot well enough to keep things open, or be on the bench when Wilson is working in the post. Having Dual out there will compound the problem, because defenses won't need to respect his .316 shooting percentage either.

In a lineup where we have a Center, White, 2 of Tobiason, Doty and MMM, and Dual on offense could conceivably have de facto double teams on Tobiason and MMM with a double team rotating to cover Wilson when he gets the ball in the post. We will need to punish defenses for that, and White and Dual will need to be responsible for that. If White develops confidence and efficiency he raises our ceiling by a lot. Dual likely is who he is as a player at this point, a defensive specialist who can keep the offense moving. I doubt he is going to revolutionize his shooting at this point in his career, but White might.

Wilson seems to contribute to a roster that has a theme... Gritty, defensive players who defend hard, steal the ball at a high rate, can switch on defense effectively and will need to rely on defense and transition baskets to win games.

The exception is MMM and Tobiason who are both above average offensive players, along possibly Doty, though my doubts about his transition to the ACC are well covered by this point.

All things considered, I think with Wilson, Goodrick and Sibi, Center might be our second strongest position group, after the Wings with MMM, Tobiason, Anthony and Doty covering those two positions.
 
OMG this thread. Every single thread is turning into these back and forth and over analysis. This thread has turned from great news to orange fan mental breakdown. Some people need to take some deep breaths. We won’t know what we have until games are played and coaches can coach. We have some good pieces and some questions potentially.
For clarity no one knows if this is a deep NCAA team, a fringe team or worse. Some people might be over valuing some and others are under valuing players.
Right now they are all individual ingredients that need to be mixed by the staff.
People relax and let's just see what happens.
 
OMG this thread. Every single thread is turning into these back and forth and over analysis. This thread has turned from great news to orange fan mental breakdown. Some people need to take some deep breaths. We won’t know what we have until games are played and coaches can coach. We have some good pieces and some questions potentially.
For clarity no one knows if this is a deep NCAA team, a fringe team or worse. Some people might be over valuing some and others are under valuing players.
Right now they are all individual ingredients that need to be mixed by the staff.
People relax and let's just see what happens.
It’s constant
 
I didn't say "cheap."

I also have a pretty good idea of what Estrella's price tag was -- and can say with 100% certainty that Wilson's cost was substantially below that, by several orders of magnitude.
I'm not arguing with you, I'm just pointing out that this was likely an expensive acquisition and for good reason. NO it wasn't 4M but it also probably wasn't 1M
 
My point being that you can't take 2 guys with the same build.
They chose Wilson. They would be stupid to take Folefac now.
Folefac was the better player, but they couldn't close on him.
That's why they took this guy. This means Folefac is out.
I hope they have another center in mind, because this guy should be Sadiq's backup at the 4, not our starting center.

I hated when we had AO and Rick Jackson on the court at the same time. They had the same build and Cuse was terrible. I’m surprised we won any games 🤦🏻‍♂️
 
Random Thoughts on Luke Wilson

Because it has become a thing, let's cover Appalachian State where our new center comes from. They play in the Sun Belt, which was 21st among conferences in SRS, 20th in NET.

The team was 191 in the NET, 206 in SRS.

We are trying to judge another low ranking conference transfer and how they will perform in the 4th rated ACC (by both SRS and NET).

First, let's discuss his size. Wilson came to college listed at 285, probably because he was also a football recruit. He was offered by 4 low D1 programs as a Defensive end/Tight end. He redshirted his freshman year on the App State basketball team, and plays at a slimmed down 255, though that might be underestimating his weight. It is unusual for basketball players to "slim down" to 255, usually they only get so big after years working hard in the weight room.

I posted earlier that he has 600 lb squat legs, unfortunately I couldn't confirm or deny that randomly thrown out number in a Google search. His football background explains his enormous legs.

In spite of his mighty thews, Wilson's highlights show him to be a nimble athlete with respectable leaping ability. He doesn't play under the rim per se, making the frequent Arinze Onuaku references in this thread less applicable.

Wilson was the Sun Belt Defensive Player of the Year. He has an interesting set of characteristics which allows him to be a dominant low major defensive player that might translate to the ACC. He is big and strong, which helps against burly middle men even at the highest levels. He is long armed and has decent timing for blocking or altering shots. But his ability to be switchable and give hard hedges on the pick and roll is critical to modern defenses. While obviously Wilson is only one of five players, his defense in the middle allowed App State to be top50 in 8 defensive categories. Most importantly when judging a center's impact, they were 16th in defensive FG% and 17th in defensive 2PT%, both highly affected by a good defensive center.

On offense, Wilson is decent, scoring 10.2 on .642 shooting. He knows his limitations and attempted zero threes last season. His TS% was .625 because he is a bad FT shooter. His offense is decent, and he was often double teamed in his low major conference, and showed decent footwork to get layups at a high rate. He seems to overpower smaller players well, which will be less available to him in the ACC. If he can average 10ppg again, I would be pleasantly surprised. But he is at least a threat to score on more than just alley oops and drive and dish dunks.

Wilson is a good rebounder, not great. He is a well rounded rebounder, unlike some players we have seen recently that excel at only offense or defense rebounding. His defensive rebound % is 19.4, which would have been slightly better than William Kyle, ranking second on the team after Freeman's near elite defensive rebounding. He also cleared 12.8% of his own teams misses, which would have led our team. His total rebound percentage was 16.2%, a very respectable number, though coming from a lower league.

Since the percentages aren't competition adjusted, I'll give a few data points for comparison.
William Kyle had almost exactly the same rebounding percentages at South Dakota State and Syracuse, though he dropped at little at his stop at UCLA in the Big Ten.
Jyare Davis, coming from the CAA, dropped slightly coming to Syracuse.
Eddie Lampkin was actually much better at Syracuse than his previous stops in the PAC 12 and Big 12.

Without running a full analysis, my conclusion is that rebound% is relatively stable even moving up conferences... Playing style of both player and team matters more. Lampkin was the outlier, in that he never tried to block shots so was always in position to rebound when at Syracuse.

One of my major concerns about the roster as it is currently constructed is the lack of rebounding. White is a bad rebounder for his raw athletic ability, securing only 15.7% defensive and 12.5% total rebounds. Goodrick is better, getting 21.2% and 19% respectively. Doty, even with his slight build, might have been the second best rebounder on the roster before Wilson committed, at 17.4% and 11.4%. Tobiason and Dual are average rebounders for their position. Anthony avoids rebounding if he can help it. Everybody else is kind of unknown, though I have hopes for Sibi while being doubtful MMM will help much on the boards.

Wilson definitely shores up the impending rebounding issues, as would White making the sophomore leap in effectiveness.

That leads me to a tangent, of how much of this current roster relies on White being much more effective year over year. He had his moments and the advanced stats didn't hate him, but his PER of 16.7 and BPM of 1.8 and other advanced metrics indicate a lot of room for improvement. As of right now, we have him as the only power forward on the roster, with his backups playing out of position. While his TS% of .567 wasn't terrible, White was often an afterthought in the offense and thus didn't command defensive attention. We need White to improve his offense enough where defenses can't leave him alone. Improving his shooting, or expanding his ability to penetrate off the dribble or his post up game would help tremendously. White's .368 percentage wasn't bad, but he often failed to take wide open threes because the offense and defense didn't count him as a shooter. His 1.6 3pt attempts per 40 minutes were almost always wide open when the defense dared him to shoot.

In the context of a post about Luke Wilson, I wonder how Wilson and White will work together on offense. In many of Wilson's highlights, he enough of a post threat (strength of competition warning) to command double teams, and we will need to find the open man to prevent defenses packing in the middle. White needs to either shoot well enough to keep things open, or be on the bench when Wilson is working in the post. Having Dual out there will compound the problem, because defenses won't need to respect his .316 shooting percentage either.

In a lineup where we have a Center, White, 2 of Tobiason, Doty and MMM, and Dual on offense could conceivably have de facto double teams on Tobiason and MMM with a double team rotating to cover Wilson when he gets the ball in the post. We will need to punish defenses for that, and White and Dual will need to be responsible for that. If White develops confidence and efficiency he raises our ceiling by a lot. Dual likely is who he is as a player at this point, a defensive specialist who can keep the offense moving. I doubt he is going to revolutionize his shooting at this point in his career, but White might.

Wilson seems to contribute to a roster that has a theme... Gritty, defensive players who defend hard, steal the ball at a high rate, can switch on defense effectively and will need to rely on defense and transition baskets to win games.

The exception is MMM and Tobiason who are both above average offensive players, along possibly Doty, though my doubts about his transition to the ACC are well covered by this point.

All things considered, I think with Wilson, Goodrick and Sibi, Center might be our second strongest position group, after the Wings with MMM, Tobiason, Anthony and Doty covering those two positions.
Tremendous post
 
OMG this thread. Every single thread is turning into these back and forth and over analysis. This thread has turned from great news to orange fan mental breakdown. Some people need to take some deep breaths. We won’t know what we have until games are played and coaches can coach. We have some good pieces and some questions potentially.
For clarity no one knows if this is a deep NCAA team, a fringe team or worse. Some people might be over valuing some and others are under valuing players.
Right now they are all individual ingredients that need to be mixed by the staff.
People relax and let's just see what happens.
It's a message board.
 
They really only played 15-20 minutes together. Joseph would come in at the four to provide shooting and skills needed to be a good offensive team.

Uh, KrisJo usually played the 3.

Wes Johnson was the 4, when one of AO or RickJack was on the bench.

He was the 3 when both Bigs were on the court.
 
Random Thoughts on Luke Wilson

Because it has become a thing, let's cover Appalachian State where our new center comes from. They play in the Sun Belt, which was 21st among conferences in SRS, 20th in NET.

The team was 191 in the NET, 206 in SRS.

We are trying to judge another low ranking conference transfer and how they will perform in the 4th rated ACC (by both SRS and NET).

First, let's discuss his size. Wilson came to college listed at 285, probably because he was also a football recruit. He was offered by 4 low D1 programs as a Defensive end/Tight end. He redshirted his freshman year on the App State basketball team, and plays at a slimmed down 255, though that might be underestimating his weight. It is unusual for basketball players to "slim down" to 255, usually they only get so big after years working hard in the weight room.

I posted earlier that he has 600 lb squat legs, unfortunately I couldn't confirm or deny that randomly thrown out number in a Google search. His football background explains his enormous legs.

In spite of his mighty thews, Wilson's highlights show him to be a nimble athlete with respectable leaping ability. He doesn't play under the rim per se, making the frequent Arinze Onuaku references in this thread less applicable.

Wilson was the Sun Belt Defensive Player of the Year. He has an interesting set of characteristics which allows him to be a dominant low major defensive player that might translate to the ACC. He is big and strong, which helps against burly middle men even at the highest levels. He is long armed and has decent timing for blocking or altering shots. But his ability to be switchable and give hard hedges on the pick and roll is critical to modern defenses. While obviously Wilson is only one of five players, his defense in the middle allowed App State to be top50 in 8 defensive categories. Most importantly when judging a center's impact, they were 16th in defensive FG% and 17th in defensive 2PT%, both highly affected by a good defensive center.

On offense, Wilson is decent, scoring 10.2 on .642 shooting. He knows his limitations and attempted zero threes last season. His TS% was .625 because he is a bad FT shooter. His offense is decent, and he was often double teamed in his low major conference, and showed decent footwork to get layups at a high rate. He seems to overpower smaller players well, which will be less available to him in the ACC. If he can average 10ppg again, I would be pleasantly surprised. But he is at least a threat to score on more than just alley oops and drive and dish dunks.

Wilson is a good rebounder, not great. He is a well rounded rebounder, unlike some players we have seen recently that excel at only offense or defense rebounding. His defensive rebound % is 19.4, which would have been slightly better than William Kyle, ranking second on the team after Freeman's near elite defensive rebounding. He also cleared 12.8% of his own teams misses, which would have led our team. His total rebound percentage was 16.2%, a very respectable number, though coming from a lower league.

Since the percentages aren't competition adjusted, I'll give a few data points for comparison.
William Kyle had almost exactly the same rebounding percentages at South Dakota State and Syracuse, though he dropped at little at his stop at UCLA in the Big Ten.
Jyare Davis, coming from the CAA, dropped slightly coming to Syracuse.
Eddie Lampkin was actually much better at Syracuse than his previous stops in the PAC 12 and Big 12.

Without running a full analysis, my conclusion is that rebound% is relatively stable even moving up conferences... Playing style of both player and team matters more. Lampkin was the outlier, in that he never tried to block shots so was always in position to rebound when at Syracuse.

One of my major concerns about the roster as it is currently constructed is the lack of rebounding. White is a bad rebounder for his raw athletic ability, securing only 15.7% defensive and 12.5% total rebounds. Goodrick is better, getting 21.2% and 19% respectively. Doty, even with his slight build, might have been the second best rebounder on the roster before Wilson committed, at 17.4% and 11.4%. Tobiason and Dual are average rebounders for their position. Anthony avoids rebounding if he can help it. Everybody else is kind of unknown, though I have hopes for Sibi while being doubtful MMM will help much on the boards.

Wilson definitely shores up the impending rebounding issues, as would White making the sophomore leap in effectiveness.

That leads me to a tangent, of how much of this current roster relies on White being much more effective year over year. He had his moments and the advanced stats didn't hate him, but his PER of 16.7 and BPM of 1.8 and other advanced metrics indicate a lot of room for improvement. As of right now, we have him as the only power forward on the roster, with his backups playing out of position. While his TS% of .567 wasn't terrible, White was often an afterthought in the offense and thus didn't command defensive attention. We need White to improve his offense enough where defenses can't leave him alone. Improving his shooting, or expanding his ability to penetrate off the dribble or his post up game would help tremendously. White's .368 percentage wasn't bad, but he often failed to take wide open threes because the offense and defense didn't count him as a shooter. His 1.6 3pt attempts per 40 minutes were almost always wide open when the defense dared him to shoot.

In the context of a post about Luke Wilson, I wonder how Wilson and White will work together on offense. In many of Wilson's highlights, he enough of a post threat (strength of competition warning) to command double teams, and we will need to find the open man to prevent defenses packing in the middle. White needs to either shoot well enough to keep things open, or be on the bench when Wilson is working in the post. Having Dual out there will compound the problem, because defenses won't need to respect his .316 shooting percentage either.

In a lineup where we have a Center, White, 2 of Tobiason, Doty and MMM, and Dual on offense could conceivably have de facto double teams on Tobiason and MMM with a double team rotating to cover Wilson when he gets the ball in the post. We will need to punish defenses for that, and White and Dual will need to be responsible for that. If White develops confidence and efficiency he raises our ceiling by a lot. Dual likely is who he is as a player at this point, a defensive specialist who can keep the offense moving. I doubt he is going to revolutionize his shooting at this point in his career, but White might.

Wilson seems to contribute to a roster that has a theme... Gritty, defensive players who defend hard, steal the ball at a high rate, can switch on defense effectively and will need to rely on defense and transition baskets to win games.

The exception is MMM and Tobiason who are both above average offensive players, along possibly Doty, though my doubts about his transition to the ACC are well covered by this point.

All things considered, I think with Wilson, Goodrick and Sibi, Center might be our second strongest position group, after the Wings with MMM, Tobiason, Anthony and Doty covering those two positions.

Outstanding break down.
 
Matt isn’t anywhere near as grumpy or skeptical as some previous posters who don’t post here anymore. Two3zone would be absolutely roasting this roster way worse than Matt. Not that I’d agree.

But as counterpoint, I’m a tad concerned about having 4 mid-major guys as starters, when JB commented that’s what Red wanted to go away from for last year’s roster (after the year 2 debacle of mid major transfers), so Red and staff added five P5 players in George, Kyle, Kingz, Betsey and Souare, plus holding onto JJ and Freeman. Clearly that didn’t work, but that may be tied to poor coaching and Freeman and JJ being disappointments.

I really hope Gmac and Daly can design a great offense and coach it well and Brunt can coach a stout defense, because I think we’re gonna need to rely on coaching to improve the outlook and also develop the players in the off-season.
On offense. Here's my #1 wish for the offense and it doesn't take some mastermind.

The ball gets in the hands of the guy we want to be shooting at the end of the clock and we rebound.

JJ airing up a prayer, or George dribbling into traffic for a shot contested by 3 guys in the lane, or throwing it to Donnie for some insanely difficult step back shot should never happen. Then the rest of the backcourt picks their butts just waiting for Kyle to fight it out under the basket on his own for boards.

Doty and these other guys are here to make the right pass to the right guy when the clock ticks down and then battle for boards.

It's only one game and people want to just look at the points but Duke was only outrebounded like twice last year. Siena was -12 on the boards against them. Michigan, St Johns were both -13 against Duke. Outrebounding Merrimack in the MaaC champs game 50-26 is also a crazy margin.
 
I hated when we had AO and Rick Jackson on the court at the same time. They had the same build and Cuse was terrible. I’m surprised we won any games 🤦🏻‍♂️

But they were both taller than Luke Wilson or Francis Folefac.
That matters.
Luke Wilson looked shorter than every center who defended him in his clips.
 
Are you always a when adults are trying to have a conversation on a msg board. It’s pretty fair to say that the current team, scoring is a concern.

He seems to be quite the dumb ……
You’re an adult insulting people on a message board but I’m the dumb one. One day you’ll have to grow up man, I suggest it, it’s pretty fun when you can show an ounce of maturity.
 
I take it you're not impressed with Doty.
If we're comparing senior year Andy Rautins that eventually had a cup of coffee in the NBA, to the unknown of how Doty will translate, in that context, Doty isn't impressive.

The narrative around Doty has gotten weird. Before, the thought was the incoming Siena guys were rotation guys but definitely bench, and maybe deep bench/just outside the rotation. Now there's chatter about how Doty is a key piece/focus of the team and a sure starter.

I don't think that's a realistic expectation/if it plays out that way we're in trouble. Has anything happened that makes us believe Doty the player has changed that much that it justifies the change in expectation? Like, he somehow got that much better after the game against Duke?
 

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