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Can we talk about the concession operation again...

I've been to Arsenal, QPR, West Ham, Totenham, Liverpool, Barcelona, Real Madrid, and several German venues. When there are concessions they are very small and people are NOT eating and drinking at their seats. So kids are very rare.

Also there are far fewer XXL and XXXL patrons.
When we were in England, we struck up a conversation with a British couple at a pub. One of the things we talked about was Soccer vs Football. After relating multiple positive experiences sitting on the home side of an NFL game with our sons (then 9 or 10 yo) proudly wearing their visiting team jerseys, we asked if they could sit on an opposing soccer team's side. They said absolutely not regardless of what they were wearing unless they were interested in a fight. Which made me ask what about the kids and they said they would never bring a child to a soccer match because of the danger.
 
What parts of Europe have you been visiting?
Are you denying the existence of Squat toilets?
Democratic Socialist governments in 1/2 the countries?
Water purification standards that would not pass in this country
And all that gross soft cheese you have to cut 1/2" of mold off of in France?

Oh yeah why is most people from Netherlands/Holland/Whatevertheycallittoday can speak like 8 languages? We don't even have 8 langauges in use on this entire continent. We use 3. The whole reason why the two major wars started was because a bunch of countries not much bigger than Ohio can't ever agree on anything.
 
Are you denying the existence of Squat toilets?
Democratic Socialist governments in 1/2 the countries?
Water purification standards that would not pass in this country
And all that gross soft cheese you have to cut 1/2" of mold off of in France?

Oh yeah why is most people from Netherlands/Holland/Whatevertheycallittoday can speak like 8 languages? We don't even have 8 langauges in use on this entire continent. We use 3. The whole reason why the two major wars started was because a bunch of countries not much bigger than Ohio can't ever agree on anything.
This whole post makes me laugh. We do use more then 8 languages since all of those languages are in America but you must stick around the English speaking parts only.
 
This whole post makes me laugh. We do use more then 8 languages since all of those languages are in America but you must stick around the English speaking parts only.
You have French in the Montreal sector of Canada. English everywhere and Spanish in the southern 1/2 of the continent. What other languages would you consider used on a normal basis on North America?

I wasn't referring to ForTran or Java btw.

Or maybe you were referring to...Onoñdaʼgegáʼ nigaweñoʼdeñʼ (that's Iroquois just in case)
 
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Kids will be happy pretty much doing anything, but that's not the point. The goal is to expose them to Dome life and hopefully make them want to come back for more. Contrary to what you think, the game of football does not lend itself to young minds who just see a bunch of players in funny looking helmets running in every direction. It takes a planned effort to keep them busy and invested at these events. Food snacking is just one diversion. It's more about the mindset, seeing the world through their eyes. My 5-year-old practically worships the crane. The effort is absolutely worth it when they ask when the next game is. It's the investment of a lifetime - sowing the seeds of a tradition that can grow over the years and keep you connected with your kids even when they become teenagers and they have a million other distractions.

My 2 are pre-programmed that a walk up the hill includes a slice or 2 of Varsity in their hands and trying not to burn their mouths or bumping into strangers with it.
 
Europe also has toilet holes, socialism, 800 languages, undrinkable water, and bad cheese. You can have 'eur' europe
Bad cheese? I dont know where to start on that one.

Most of the other points are incorrect. You need to get out of the 315 area code more often.

I think I have the solution to the concessions problem. We need a trough in front of the seats in which food is pumped through and beer lines at each seat. They could weigh you when you come in and then when you go out and charge you for the increase. Catheters at the seats would be a nice addition.
When we were in England, we struck up a conversation with a British couple at a pub. One of the things we talked about was Soccer vs Football. After relating multiple positive experiences sitting on the home side of an NFL game with our sons (then 9 or 10 yo) proudly wearing their visiting team jerseys, we asked if they could sit on an opposing soccer team's side. They said absolutely not regardless of what they were wearing unless they were interested in a fight. Which made me ask what about the kids and they said they would never bring a child to a soccer match because of the danger.

Have you been to an NFL game lately?

Last Redskins game I went to was filled with drunks, many of them unruly, falling down, throwing up and bruising for a fight. Philly is pretty much the same way. Apparently they are unable to enjoy the experience without getting shxt-faced.

Very few kids at Premiere League games because its expensive an is not part of the tradition. They go with their "mates".
 
Europe also has toilet holes, socialism, 800 languages, undrinkable water, and bad cheese. You can have 'eur' europe

Do you prefer the white American cheese or the yellow? (To quote Clark Griswald, "You're the gourmet here, Eddie")
 
Tell me about all the breaks in play that occurred while attending those games? How about just noting how long those games take? Where are those stadiums located? Where do the fans come from? You don't have to answer the questions, i know the answers: None; two hours (maybe 2.5 max); in neighborhoods; they're local.

I got it.

Break in the action? Time to start stuffing your face with junk.
 
people can survive without food drink at the movies too but would probably eat more if the prices werent sky high.. some theatres have figured that out and lowered prices. the falcons have done it and found it make huge difference in revenue and fan experience.
 
1) How do you know they won't when the renovation is done?
2) It takes two to tango, perhaps some of these franchises aren't interested?

FWIW, I had a bite of the Little Caesar's pizza they had at Camping World Stadium and it was absolute garbage. Bringing in franchises doesn't necessarily mean the food quality will improve.
See, I had the Little Caesar's at Vivint Smart Home Arena or whatever they call where the Jazz play now, and it was a revelation. Like, I didn't believe it was actually Little Caesar's. Never had pizza like that from Little Caesar's before or since. Can't explain it.
 
And get served a hundred times faster.
... by folks who are paid and trained to provide service, unlike the Horseheads Girls Under 16 Soccer League (just to make up an example) who staff concession stands at most every college athletic event.
 
... by folks who are paid and trained to provide service, unlike the Horseheads Girls Under 16 Soccer League (just to make up an example) who staff concession stands at most every college athletic event.
Still haven’t received a good explanation as to why the dome lets concessions become one big Girl Scouts fundraiser. Contract? Legal?
 
Bad cheese? I dont know where to start on that one.

Most of the other points are incorrect. You need to get out of the 315 area code more often.

I think I have the solution to the concessions problem. We need a trough in front of the seats in which food is pumped through and beer lines at each seat. They could weigh you when you come in and then when you go out and charge you for the increase. Catheters at the seats would be a nice addition.


Have you been to an NFL game lately?

Last Redskins game I went to was filled with drunks, many of them unruly, falling down, throwing up and bruising for a fight. Philly is pretty much the same way. Apparently they are unable to enjoy the experience without getting shxt-faced.

Very few kids at Premiere League games because its expensive an is not part of the tradition. They go with their "mates".
Classic post Townie!
 
As a matter of fact, I would go to Yankee Stadium and not by anything but a ticket. I wouldn't show up starving on purpose so I wouldn’t be tempted to eat that junk.

I’m there to watch the game.

The Europeans don’t have concessions. When you see the crowd at a Premiere League game do you see their laps filled with trays of nachos?

The Fair is a different thing. Food is about all there is to do there. Of course I haven’t been to a State Fair since the 1960’s.

I’ll grant you that in the US, food and drink are integral to the stadium “experience”.

I went to upton park/west ham 7 years ago and there is concessions. I think the difference is they open only at halftime so no one is getting Up and down
 
The thing I hate the most is a person takes your order. Another person or two or three get your stuff. All the while the person that took your order is clearly being trained NOT to take another order until the last one is complete. They just stand there.

and upstairs, there is also a language barrier. It seems a lot of them are students (?) and are foreign. Before some lib jumps down my throat, I’ll say obviously I have no issue, it just does create a few obstacles for customer flow.
 
Still haven’t received a good explanation as to why the dome lets concessions become one big Girl Scouts fundraiser. Contract? Legal?
I assume SU has volunteers staff the concession stands because

1) the labor is free
2) it helps provide community groups with needed funds (I think most of the groups are booster clubs for high school athletics)

From personal experiences, I have found the volunteers who staff the SU concession booths to be fine. Friendly. They aim to please. No, they are not seasoned pros and it might take an extra 3 seconds to get your change. No big deal.

While I never buy beer, I think the people who staff the beer booths are not volunteers. They look young. I think they are work study students. But I could be wrong on that. If there are problems with staffing, I bet it is with the work study kids, who don't have much 'skin in the game' regarding the quality of their service.

Anyway, I am happy to wait a few seconds more than normal to support these worthy groups. I admire the people willing to give their time to support their organizations. I have done it before. It isn't easy.

I think people targeting the volunteers have it wrong. They aren't the problem.

The problem is with the people making the decisions. They are the ones who decide what to sell, how to price it, how much to buy, where to place it, etc. They are the ones who decide not to open some booths because they think they will not be busy, how many cash registers are needed, whether condiment stations are needed, etc.

I think most major athletic venues farm out concessions to a professional food services group like Delaware North. We are unusual in that we do not. SU food services tries to do this. I think they do a decent job at it but the mission is a lot different than making food for the SU dorm food courts. They aren't good at it and probably never will be. Providing and selling vast amounts of food efficiently and effectively in an arena setting is a tough task for anyone, even the pros.

Further, I think SU food services is resistant to allowing local restaurants/store to sell their products at the Dome. They don't want competition. This flies in the face of the practices of most arenas, where local food/specialties are consistently available.

To me, we need a professional food services company that knows how to get good food out, hot and fresh, in quantities that make sense, is willing to listen to what their customers want, is willing to allow local restaurants/stores sell their products, and hopefully, is also willing to allow the volunteer groups to continue to provide staffing.

Pretty sure there are companies out there that can do this.

I think the first thing that needs to be done is poll the fan base and see how happy they are with the job SU food services does. Do the fans want change? I think this has happened. I know I have been asked my thoughts on Dome concessions. When the survey shows overwhelming support for change, either SU food services has to make massive changes or they need to step down and let the pros step in and take over.

The time to do it is now. To be fair to SU food services, providing food in the venue as it stands now is really tough. They need more deep fryers, more grills, more cooking equipment and with the air supported roof, they are not able to get it in place. With the new roof coming, new menus can be designed. New food choices can be added. So much more is possible. I would like competent people figuring out what new equipment is needed, what the new menus should be, what restaurants and foods we should be adding, etc. SU food services is completely unqualified to do this. Let's bring in people who do this for a living, people with practical knowledge, people who care about their customers.

The situation today, IMHO, is completely unacceptable. Now is the time to start fixing it. Let's get going.
 
I would watch the Hell out of a Bar Rescue episode of Taffer yelling at concession staff.
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I assume SU has volunteers staff the concession stands because

1) the labor is free
2) it helps provide community groups with needed funds (I think most of the groups are booster clubs for high school athletics)

From personal experiences, I have found the volunteers who staff the SU concession booths to be fine. Friendly. They aim to please. No, they are not seasoned pros and it might take an extra 3 seconds to get your change. No big deal.

While I never buy beer, I think the people who staff the beer booths are not volunteers. They look young. I think they are work study students. But I could be wrong on that. If there are problems with staffing, I bet it is with the work study kids, who don't have much 'skin in the game' regarding the quality of their service.

Anyway, I am happy to wait a few seconds more than normal to support these worthy groups. I admire the people willing to give their time to support their organizations. I have done it before. It isn't easy.

I think people targeting the volunteers have it wrong. They aren't the problem.

The problem is with the people making the decisions. They are the ones who decide what to sell, how to price it, how much to buy, where to place it, etc. They are the ones who decide not to open some booths because they think they will not be busy, how many cash registers are needed, whether condiment stations are needed, etc.

I think most major athletic venues farm out concessions to a professional food services group like Delaware North. We are unusual in that we do not. SU food services tries to do this. I think they do a decent job at it but the mission is a lot different than making food for the SU dorm food courts. They aren't good at it and probably never will be. Providing and selling vast amounts of food efficiently and effectively in an arena setting is a tough task for anyone, even the pros.

Further, I think SU food services is resistant to allowing local restaurants/store to sell their products at the Dome. They don't want competition. This flies in the face of the practices of most arenas, where local food/specialties are consistently available.

To me, we need a professional food services company that knows how to get good food out, hot and fresh, in quantities that make sense, is willing to listen to what their customers want, is willing to allow local restaurants/stores sell their products, and hopefully, is also willing to allow the volunteer groups to continue to provide staffing.

Pretty sure there are companies out there that can do this.

I think the first thing that needs to be done is poll the fan base and see how happy they are with the job SU food services does. Do the fans want change? I think this has happened. I know I have been asked my thoughts on Dome concessions. When the survey shows overwhelming support for change, either SU food services has to make massive changes or they need to step down and let the pros step in and take over.

The time to do it is now. To be fair to SU food services, providing food in the venue as it stands now is really tough. They need more deep fryers, more grills, more cooking equipment and with the air supported roof, they are not able to get it in place. With the new roof coming, new menus can be designed. New food choices can be added. So much more is possible. I would like competent people figuring out what new equipment is needed, what the new menus should be, what restaurants and foods we should be adding, etc. SU food services is completely unqualified to do this. Let's bring in people who do this for a living, people with practical knowledge, people who care about their customers.

The situation today, IMHO, is completely unacceptable. Now is the time to start fixing it. Let's get going.
Why couldn’t they just lease each spot to any business for a flat fee plus 25% gross sales (or whatever the reasonable price point would be)? Seems like SU is discriminating against local food businesses by shutting them out.
 
I went to upton park/west ham 7 years ago and there is concessions. I think the difference is they open only at halftime so no one is getting Up and down

Well, I didn’t notice any at Upton Park. I did find one at the Emirates, a small one to serve one side of the stadium.

Of course, you have to factor in the British connection to pubs, several of which are in close proximity to almost all stadia. These places are filled to the rafters before and after the games. But you will not find people stuffing themselves at their seats in the US.
 
We speak 3 languages in North America. I never knew that
 
Serious Q- Why doesnt SU have concessions vendors walking up and down the aisles, at least with some basics like hot dogs, soda, water, popcorn...I get why they wouldnt go the beer route, but doing this could go a long way toward alleviating some of the traffic in the hallways...is it all about how steep the 3rd tier stairs are?
 
Serious Q- Why doesnt SU have concessions vendors walking up and down the aisles, at least with some basics like hot dogs, soda, water, popcorn...I get why they wouldnt go the beer route, but doing this could go a long way toward alleviating some of the traffic in the hallways...is it all about how steep the 3rd tier stairs are?
That would help tremendously for those who have bad knees. I miss those guys walking up the stairs and yelling "Get your ICE cold beer here!"

With kids, though, they can't sit still for 4 hours. Grabbing some food is a good excuse to get up and stretch those legs.
 

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