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Nunes went through a number of potential candidates for a new OC hire, something I really really really really really hope we do. I've seen negatives from our QBs and not positive development, which may be due to our previous OC play calls/schemes/game plans or may be due to poor QB coaching. WR and RB were fine on talent level and ability, but QBs (no matter which one) were horrible. With Lester as both QB coach and OC the last half of the season, I can't support him being our OC in any way, shape or form. It got worse, not better. How many of us on this board had a firm belief we identified many of the problems with SU's previous OC's play calls, scheme, utilization of talent, rotation of players, etc. and it simply didn't get much better with Lester in that role. I do believe Lester fixed one problem -- hesitation and inability to play call within a game, which I believe GMcD couldn't do and froze up on. There is no question plays were called more decisively and plays got in faster and run faster. However, they were still ridiculous plays, stupid rotations, and ineffective to the nth degree. If we are to consider other OCs, here's a decent list with my thoughts on some of the candidates:
http://www.nunesmagician.com/2014/1...sive-coordinator-coach-shafer-lester-McDonald
The candidates:
Calvin Magee -- co-OC and RB Coach Arizona: There are a number of negatives here for me. First, Arizona is Rich Rod's offense and I don't think Calvin Magee could implement that offense on his own without RichRod. I'd take Magee as a RB coach alone, moreso because I think Deandre Smith has not effectively coached our RBs and we have seen widespread regression across the board with them since Marrone left. However, he's not an architect, or in my opinion even an understander, of a good offense. Second and much more important, I know from personal knowledge that when Rich Rod left WVU for Michigan and felt some repercussions in recruiting and public image for how he handled that, he put Calvin Magee up to saying that he left for Michigan with Rich Rod because WVU was racist. I certainly understand that there are people in West Virginia, just as there are in every state, who are racist, but to assert that WVU AD and other Athletic Department decision makers are racist is offensive and Magee then retracted/softened his comments later. It is offensive and unforgiveable to make that accusation without any basis just for the sake of PR benefit, not even for you but for your boss. Third, Midwest and northeast ties for recruiting, which we have in spades already. Nothing added with
Bill Cubit -- OC Illinois: Really? This guys is a failure at implementing a D1 P5 offense. Illini offense ranked 105 last year. Was that worse than ours or just close to ours? Want some more of that? Not a significant improvement. Its actually even worse that his forte is passing and he ignores the run game given our RB strength and our QB weakness. In addition, for recruiting his ties are in the Midwest, which again we have covered in spades. We need more FL and GA ties. I don't want anymore friends or band of brothers members. I don't want any more guys that get it done with inferior talent against inferior talent. We need legit offense that makes D1 P5 talent successful against D1 P5 defensive athletes and schemes. That isn't Cubit.
Reggie Miller - RB coach Kansas: Ok, never called plays before. We've had one of those and can't afford to learn on the job. Coached with Shafer -- I don't think Shafer, let alone this fan base, is looking for that at this point. We did that and it proved ineffective and HCSS knows he's on the hot seat now and another 3 win season will end up with him losing his job. He's not going friend or former colleague again unless its a proven coach. Again, I'd hire this guy to replace Deandre Smith, not to be an OC. Midwest ties for recruiting? Excellent and we don't need them. Please no.
Dan Roushar -- RB coach New Orleans Saints: 9th in the NFL in rushing yards this year. With Drew Brees at QB, I would think many coaches could have a top 9 rushing game with a decent OLine, which the Saints have worked to built. I don't know whether its a step up to move to SU OC or not. I don't know whether this guy can recruit or not coming from that background. I don't know if that guy can call plays or not, even though he did years ago in college at MSU, Illinois, and Cincinnati. I do know that there are scores of guys who are currently OCs at lesser schools that have proven an ability to design and run an offense effectively and I'd rather have one of those. Again, Midwest ties for recruiting, which we have plenty of.
Matt Canada -- NC State OC: The article itself says no chance because of money and why would a guy leave a staff for SU's lateral position from a better team right now at least to a worse team? I agree. This isn't where we look in my opinion, even though we clearly need to up the money to bring in a talented OC. Again, spending $650,000 to bring in new offensive coaches at higher salaries that are competitive would do wonders and is a small investment in a program that is investing how many millions in a new IPF, which I love by the way.
David Walker -- RB coach Indianapolis Colts: I can't believe all the bad blood even happened with this guy, although I know nothing of why or what on that issue. I do know that he has never called plays and that is enough for me to say no way.
John Reagan -- OC/Oline coach Kansas: Likely not to be employed very soon with a new HC at Kansas. SU grad and CNY resident. Ran a very effective offense at Rice. Fast paced, great passing. great yardages and points. Wouldn't that be nice? Yeah, yeah it would. I'd be all for this guy despite Kansas' issues this year. That team is more of a mess than this one, despite us only winning 3 games. Given his past success, I don't think he was the problem, but who knows. Of these choices so far, this guy is my favorite.
Brian Scott -- Assoc. HC/OC/Oline Coordinator ODU: 41st in offense in FBS, although against lesser talent. Thought to be a bright offensive mind. This guy is second on my board after John Reagan, but it would be a huge improvement over Elmhurst HC Lester.
Mario Cristobal -- Oline Coach Alabama: I'd hire this guy in a second, ahead of all the others, but it is almost impossible to see him leaving Alabama as Oline Coach for SU OC due to program success and money. He has obviously called plays and that is very helpful. He would be seen as an immediate rival, though to HCSS. How can we not pay our OC as much as Alabama pays its freaking Oline Coach? Saban has surrounded himself with a ton of coaching talent. I don't know what Cristobal makes there, but he has to be unsatisfied with that role and our role as OC for him would be dramatically bigger. How can we not come up with $650,000 to pay a guy like this to be our OC? What is that, 16 new students' tuition each year?
Tony Levine -- former HC Houston: Looking for a job and dramatic improvement in background from HC of Elmhurst. Wouldn't you say? That alone helps with recruiting. I don't see us, even with him, getting a big presence in TX, but who knows? He's clearly more qualified for the job than Lester. I'd take him, albeit being fourth on this list.
Tyson Helton -- OC Western Kentucky: He now knows the Petrino offense and that offense was 6th in FBS this year. 6th. 6th. 6th. Its a promotion to P5 and should be more money. If its not, increase it and make it so. This is insane and if he would come, we ought to pay him what it would take.
Tim Brewster -- TE Coach/Recruiting Coordinator FSU: Recruiting gold. GMcD has been recruiting silver comparatively to anything SU has had in a while. This guy reportedly buries GMcD at recruiting, but then again, recruiting at FSU must be relatively easy compared to SU, as I'm sure GMcD has learned. End result is that as a replacement for GMcD if he leaves or added to GMcD it would be a huge addition. Downside is that we end up with another guy figuring out how to be an OC on the job. How many years do we have left with this coaching staff to recruit well and learn on the job on OC? Not many I'd say. It is a dramatic improvement over what we currently have, but would cost us several hundreds of thousands of dollars and there are better choices for OC on this list with experience and a history of success.
With these choices listed, I know there are tons of other names out there, but I'm just considering those presented and my choices in order would be: Tyson Helton, then Mario Cristobal, then John Reagan, then Brian Scott, then Tony Levine, then Tim Brewster. With those choices all being so much better than Lester, how could we not make a move?
http://www.nunesmagician.com/2014/1...sive-coordinator-coach-shafer-lester-McDonald
The candidates:
Calvin Magee -- co-OC and RB Coach Arizona: There are a number of negatives here for me. First, Arizona is Rich Rod's offense and I don't think Calvin Magee could implement that offense on his own without RichRod. I'd take Magee as a RB coach alone, moreso because I think Deandre Smith has not effectively coached our RBs and we have seen widespread regression across the board with them since Marrone left. However, he's not an architect, or in my opinion even an understander, of a good offense. Second and much more important, I know from personal knowledge that when Rich Rod left WVU for Michigan and felt some repercussions in recruiting and public image for how he handled that, he put Calvin Magee up to saying that he left for Michigan with Rich Rod because WVU was racist. I certainly understand that there are people in West Virginia, just as there are in every state, who are racist, but to assert that WVU AD and other Athletic Department decision makers are racist is offensive and Magee then retracted/softened his comments later. It is offensive and unforgiveable to make that accusation without any basis just for the sake of PR benefit, not even for you but for your boss. Third, Midwest and northeast ties for recruiting, which we have in spades already. Nothing added with
Bill Cubit -- OC Illinois: Really? This guys is a failure at implementing a D1 P5 offense. Illini offense ranked 105 last year. Was that worse than ours or just close to ours? Want some more of that? Not a significant improvement. Its actually even worse that his forte is passing and he ignores the run game given our RB strength and our QB weakness. In addition, for recruiting his ties are in the Midwest, which again we have covered in spades. We need more FL and GA ties. I don't want anymore friends or band of brothers members. I don't want any more guys that get it done with inferior talent against inferior talent. We need legit offense that makes D1 P5 talent successful against D1 P5 defensive athletes and schemes. That isn't Cubit.
Reggie Miller - RB coach Kansas: Ok, never called plays before. We've had one of those and can't afford to learn on the job. Coached with Shafer -- I don't think Shafer, let alone this fan base, is looking for that at this point. We did that and it proved ineffective and HCSS knows he's on the hot seat now and another 3 win season will end up with him losing his job. He's not going friend or former colleague again unless its a proven coach. Again, I'd hire this guy to replace Deandre Smith, not to be an OC. Midwest ties for recruiting? Excellent and we don't need them. Please no.
Dan Roushar -- RB coach New Orleans Saints: 9th in the NFL in rushing yards this year. With Drew Brees at QB, I would think many coaches could have a top 9 rushing game with a decent OLine, which the Saints have worked to built. I don't know whether its a step up to move to SU OC or not. I don't know whether this guy can recruit or not coming from that background. I don't know if that guy can call plays or not, even though he did years ago in college at MSU, Illinois, and Cincinnati. I do know that there are scores of guys who are currently OCs at lesser schools that have proven an ability to design and run an offense effectively and I'd rather have one of those. Again, Midwest ties for recruiting, which we have plenty of.
Matt Canada -- NC State OC: The article itself says no chance because of money and why would a guy leave a staff for SU's lateral position from a better team right now at least to a worse team? I agree. This isn't where we look in my opinion, even though we clearly need to up the money to bring in a talented OC. Again, spending $650,000 to bring in new offensive coaches at higher salaries that are competitive would do wonders and is a small investment in a program that is investing how many millions in a new IPF, which I love by the way.
David Walker -- RB coach Indianapolis Colts: I can't believe all the bad blood even happened with this guy, although I know nothing of why or what on that issue. I do know that he has never called plays and that is enough for me to say no way.
John Reagan -- OC/Oline coach Kansas: Likely not to be employed very soon with a new HC at Kansas. SU grad and CNY resident. Ran a very effective offense at Rice. Fast paced, great passing. great yardages and points. Wouldn't that be nice? Yeah, yeah it would. I'd be all for this guy despite Kansas' issues this year. That team is more of a mess than this one, despite us only winning 3 games. Given his past success, I don't think he was the problem, but who knows. Of these choices so far, this guy is my favorite.
Brian Scott -- Assoc. HC/OC/Oline Coordinator ODU: 41st in offense in FBS, although against lesser talent. Thought to be a bright offensive mind. This guy is second on my board after John Reagan, but it would be a huge improvement over Elmhurst HC Lester.
Mario Cristobal -- Oline Coach Alabama: I'd hire this guy in a second, ahead of all the others, but it is almost impossible to see him leaving Alabama as Oline Coach for SU OC due to program success and money. He has obviously called plays and that is very helpful. He would be seen as an immediate rival, though to HCSS. How can we not pay our OC as much as Alabama pays its freaking Oline Coach? Saban has surrounded himself with a ton of coaching talent. I don't know what Cristobal makes there, but he has to be unsatisfied with that role and our role as OC for him would be dramatically bigger. How can we not come up with $650,000 to pay a guy like this to be our OC? What is that, 16 new students' tuition each year?
Tony Levine -- former HC Houston: Looking for a job and dramatic improvement in background from HC of Elmhurst. Wouldn't you say? That alone helps with recruiting. I don't see us, even with him, getting a big presence in TX, but who knows? He's clearly more qualified for the job than Lester. I'd take him, albeit being fourth on this list.
Tyson Helton -- OC Western Kentucky: He now knows the Petrino offense and that offense was 6th in FBS this year. 6th. 6th. 6th. Its a promotion to P5 and should be more money. If its not, increase it and make it so. This is insane and if he would come, we ought to pay him what it would take.
Tim Brewster -- TE Coach/Recruiting Coordinator FSU: Recruiting gold. GMcD has been recruiting silver comparatively to anything SU has had in a while. This guy reportedly buries GMcD at recruiting, but then again, recruiting at FSU must be relatively easy compared to SU, as I'm sure GMcD has learned. End result is that as a replacement for GMcD if he leaves or added to GMcD it would be a huge addition. Downside is that we end up with another guy figuring out how to be an OC on the job. How many years do we have left with this coaching staff to recruit well and learn on the job on OC? Not many I'd say. It is a dramatic improvement over what we currently have, but would cost us several hundreds of thousands of dollars and there are better choices for OC on this list with experience and a history of success.
With these choices listed, I know there are tons of other names out there, but I'm just considering those presented and my choices in order would be: Tyson Helton, then Mario Cristobal, then John Reagan, then Brian Scott, then Tony Levine, then Tim Brewster. With those choices all being so much better than Lester, how could we not make a move?
