cherry picking Hunt's passing stats crudely eliminating screens

[Millhouse]

I don't remember all the plays, haven't watched again. so take with grain of salt. this is not perfect

I took out passes to Gulley McFarlane, Ameen Moore, Lewis and Philips. Those might not be all the bubble screens (i can't remember which broyld passes were screens and which were downfield so i left those in)

His new stat line throwing to Broyld Estime Ishmael Moore Fleming Custis and Cornelius

15-22, 152, 1 td, 0 int. Rating of 141. Up from a 126. A 141 rating with 92 on the ground with 3 additional rushing TD - that's fantastic

His passer rating to Gulley McFarlane, Ameen Moore, Lewis and Philips was 87

Please don't freak out that this is cherry picking - i'm just doing my best based on what I can tell from the play by play

Hunt is fine throwing to WR. If teams are already worried about the bubble screen, you don't need to throw it - your work setting up the defense is already done.

 

[RF2044]

I don't remember all the plays, haven't watched again. so take with grain of salt. this is not perfect

I took out passes to Gulley McFarlane, Ameen Moore, Lewis and Philips. Those might not be all the bubble screens (i can't remember which broyld passes were screens and which were downfield so i left those in)

His new stat line throwing to Broyld Estime Ishmael Moore Fleming Custis and Cornelius

15-22, 152, 1 td, 0 int. Rating of 141. Up from a 126. A 141 rating with 92 on the ground with 3 additional rushing TD - that's fantastic

His passer rating to Gulley McFarlane, Ameen Moore, Lewis and Philips was 87

Please don't freak out that this is cherry picking - i'm just doing my best based on what I can tell from the play by play

Hunt is fine throwing to WR. If teams are already worried about the bubble screen, you don't need to throw it - your work setting up the defense is already done.

Some are going to harp on that 152 yardage total, but this came in a game where we moved the ball at will on the ground, and didn't take shots downfield because we were systematically moving the sticks with short, efficient passing and running the ball. He didn't get 152 because that was all the passing yardage we could muster as a team, he got 152 because our game plan Saturday was predicated upon running the ball and using the short passing game for offensive efficiency.

Hunt's stat line like look better if they'd converted that TD pass to Gulley in the second quarter. Hunt did a great job rolling out to avoid the rush and waiting until the final moment for Gulley to get open. Kid threw a dart, it just so happeend that Gulley stepped OOB.

But all in all, it was a very encouraging bounce-back performance from Hunt.

 

[Millhouse]

Some are going to harp on that 152 yardage total, but this came in a game where we moved the ball at will on the ground, and didn't take shots downfield because we were systematically moving the sticks with short, efficient passing and running the ball. He didn't get 152 because that was all the passing yardage we could muster as a team, he got 152 because our game plan Saturday was predicated upon running the ball and using the short passing game for offensive efficiency.

Hunt's stat line like look better if they'd converted that TD pass to Gulley in the second quarter. Hunt did a great job rolling out to avoid the rush and waiting until the final moment for Gulley to get open. Kid threw a dart, it just so happeend that Gulley stepped OOB.

But all in all, it was a very encouraging bounce-back performance from Hunt.

152 is a little below average on 22 passes but not horrible. if you throw for 300 on 40 passes, people generally don't complain about YPA

 

[RF2044]

152 is a little below average on 22 passes but not horrible. if you throw for 300 on 40 passes, people generally don't complain about YPA

YPA doesn't provide much contextual information in a game like Saturday's, where we moved the ball so easily that we didn't take any cracks downfield. :noidea:

Will be more interesting to pay attention to it in our peer games [starting with Maryland].

 

[Millhouse]

YPA doesn't provide much contextual information in a game like Saturday's, where we moved the ball so easily that we didn't take any cracks downfield. :noidea:

Will be more interesting to pay attention to it in our peer games [starting with Maryland].

i'm not too worried about it but YPA is a pretty good predictor for how good a team is - all the good teams with all kinds of different offensive philosophies are up there.

 

[GoSU96]

152 is a little below average on 22 passes but not horrible. if you throw for 300 on 40 passes, people generally don't complain about YPA

Yeah, because that's 7.5 yds per attempt.

And that's the difference.

 

[GoSU96]

YPA doesn't provide much contextual information in a game like Saturday's, where we moved the ball so easily that we didn't take any cracks downfield. :noidea:

Will be more interesting to pay attention to it in our peer games [starting with Maryland].

It does when it's the same low range for 10 of 11 games.

There's plenty of context.

 

[Millhouse]

Yeah, because that's 7.5 yds per attempt.

And that's the difference.

I don't know what you're talking about now - confused. I'm not sure what you're arguing about or who with. I think you're so critical of McDonald that you're a little unfair to hunt. i think mcdonald might be a bozo too btw

 

[GoSU96]

I don't know what you're talking about now - confused. I'm not sure what you're arguing about or who with. I think you're so critical of McDonald that you're a little unfair to hunt. i think mcdonald might be a bozo too btw

You said if you get 300 yds on 40 attempts nobody would complain about YPA, that's 7.5, it wouldn't be an issue. And I haven't said a negative word about Hunt.

The issue is that they aren't getting as much production out of the pass game as they need to get where they need to be on offense, and that's as much more design than talent.

How am I being so critical. You guys crushed Marrone and Hackett and Nassib and their bad games were the average from the last 11. Pallus and Nassib threw for over 200 half of the first games 12 games they started and had a couple of 300 plus games going by memory and the conventional wisdom was that they all sucked.

Show me one post where like you did about Nassib and how Marrone was just hoping to get to the next season with "his" quarterback, or posts about Nassib was the most inaccurate QB is Syracuse history and never had a chance of improving.

Here's the bottom line, if they want to win 8 or more games they need to improve in this area. Can they get by to six, sure, they did it last year, against a weaker schedule, but it will be a white knuckler.

And I know they can do it, as least should be able to.

 

[Millhouse]

You said if you get 300 yds on 40 attempts nobody would complain about YPA, that's 7.5, it wouldn't be an issue. And I haven't said a negative word about Hunt.

The issue is that they aren't getting as much production out of the pass game as they need to get where they need to be on offense, and that's as much more design than talent.

How am I being so critical. You guys crushed Marrone and Hackett and Nassib and their bad games were the average from the last 11. Pallus and Nassib threw for over 200 half of the first games 12 games they started and had a couple of 300 plus games going by memory and the conventional wisdom was that they all sucked.

Show me one post where like you did about Nassib and how Marrone was just hoping to get to the next season with "his" quarterback, or posts about Nassib was the most inaccurate QB is Syracuse history and never had a chance of improving.

Here's the bottom line, if they want to win 8 or more games they need to improve in this area. Can they get by to six, sure, they did it last year, against a weaker schedule, but it will be a white knuckler.

And I know they can do it, as least should be able to.

what i'm trying to show is that their pass game is productive enough when they throw to wide receivers past the line of scrimmage. the stupid screens end up making the whole passing game look subpar when it really isn't

 

[retro44]

are you guys arguing over a 2-0 record?

 

[Millhouse]

are you guys arguing over a 2-0 record?

no

 

[OttoinGrotto]

As much as I'd like him to be, Hunt just isn't a guy that's going to throw for 300 yards much. He's not the same type of QB as Paulus and Nassib. What's funny is Go's stressing about the passing game now, but preseason was saying things like how he thought it was a bad idea if McDonald's plan was to have Hunt throw it 40+ times a game.:noidea:

 

[bevosu]

I appreciate your effort Millhouse. People will nitpick, but I think your stat breakdown does give some insight.

I would like to see Hunt complete a few long passes (30yd+). I'd feel better about the team's offensive potential in general.

 

[xc84]

I thought Hunt passed very well. He had some nice strikes and got the ball through some tight cracks and was very solid. It was night and day compared to the prior game with Wilson. I am not knocking Wilson given it was his first time ever on the field but just pointing out the overall improvement in QB play from game 1 to 2. I think Hunt did what was needed to win 40-3 against CMU. Sometimes people forget that the score is a stat too.

 

[phil77]

I know this is opposite of what you are suppose to do. I know when you are up 30 or whatever you are suppose to run the ball to chew up the clock. I would have liked us to work on our down field passing a little more during that time. Maybe focus more on a certain WR (Ishmael) and see exactly what we have there. Force feed him the ball. See if he can win some one on one battles down the field. See if he can beat double coverage. Also liked to see us force some balls down the seam to Custis. Maybe Estime on a streak. Just would have like to see other things in the passing game that are not so predictable. Either to actually work on things and open up the route tree or at least get some of these things on tape for our tougher opponents.

 

[Cuse'91]

Terrell throws better on the frozen rope fastballs, should stick with more of those down the middle of the field. Deep touch passes over the defense are not his strength...

 

[Millhouse]

Terrell throws better on the frozen rope fastballs, should stick with more of those down the middle of the field. Deep touch passes over the defense are not his strength...

yet

early last year i didn't think any forward pass was his strength

 

[GoSU96]

As much as I'd like him to be, Hunt just isn't a guy that's going to throw for 300 yards much. He's not the same type of QB as Paulus and Nassib. What's funny is Go's stressing about the passing game now, but preseason was saying things like how he thought it was a bad idea if McDonald's plan was to have Hunt throw it 40+ times a game.:noidea:

Just stop it. Where did I once say they are throwing the ball too much? It's got NOTHING to do with the point I'm making.

 

[BlazeOrange]

I know this is opposite of what you are suppose to do. I know when you are up 30 or whatever you are suppose to run the ball to chew up the clock. I would have liked us to work on our down field passing a little more during that time...Either to actually work on things and open up the route tree or at least get some of these things on tape for our tougher opponents.

I assume you mean to get things on tape to help our coaches fine tune, not provide additional materials for others to game plan against.

My hope is that the bubble screens are part of a long con and they have plays off of that look that they haven't shown yet because they didn't need to. At least in this game - would've taken some onions to hold anything back in the opening nailbiter, but I can see them having faith that our talent would eventually win out by sticking to the original game plan (not to mention the missing player issues). Right now, this season's tapes would validate any advance scouting/perceptions that our opponents would have about our offense. Either that is what we are or someone is going to get a surprise.

 

[RF2044]

It does when it's the same low range for 10 of 11 games.

There's plenty of context.

Last year has zero to do with this year--ZERO--despite how you'd like to pretend otherwise.

Hunt got thrown out of game 1. We ran the ball down the opposition's throat in game 2, with Hunt orchestrating a precise, efficient passing game where we didn't throw the ball downfield. The fact of the matter is that we haven't seen enough data THIS YEAR to make definitive proclamations about what Hunt can or can not do. And I think you are selling his capabilities short.

Again, we'll know a lot more about the team's passing capabilities when we start facing teams that are on semi-equal footing, that we can't just dominate offensively and impose our will. That portion of the schedule begins this weekend. Frankly, I'm much more worried about the WR than I am about any other aspect of our passing game.

 

[phil77]

Again, we'll know a lot more about the team's passing capabilities when we start facing teams that are on semi-equal footing, that we can't just dominate offensively and impose our will. That portion of the schedule begins this weekend.

As a coach wouldn't you like to know about that part of the offense before we get to the tougher opponents? Isn't that the point of scheduling cupcakes early to fine tune your offense and defense before you get to the meat of your schedule?

People say Hunt doesn't throw a good deep ball? Should we be working on that in the game when we are up 30 not just in practice or waiting for opponents that are better than us?

 

[RF2044]

As a coach wouldn't you like to know about that part of the offense before we get to the tougher opponents? Isn't that the point of scheduling cupcakes early to fine tune your offense and defense before you get to the meat of your schedule?

People say Hunt doesn't throw a good deep ball? Should we be working on that in the game when we are up 30 not just in practice or waiting for opponents that are better than us?

Who says that they don't know? They see these guys in practice every day, and are well aware of what the personnel can or can not do. Hunt isn't a rookie cutting his teeth for the first time--my guess is that the game plan was to keep it close to the vest these first two games. That game plan got undermined when Hunt did something stupid and got himself tossed, making game 1 a close game, but it worked to perfection against CMU.

 

[phil77]

Who says that they don't know? They see these guys in practice every day, and are well aware of what the personnel can or can not do. Hunt isn't a rookie cutting his teeth for the first time--my guess is that the game plan was to keep it close to the vest these first two games. That game plan got undermined when Hunt did something stupid and got himself tossed, making game 1 a close game, but it worked to perfection against CMU.

Practice is a lot different than game speed no matter who the opponent is.

 

[Millhouse]

Practice is a lot different than game speed no matter who the opponent is.

these are the same coaches that started Drew Allen last year. they might not believe what they see in practice now and/or they are still terrified of hunt


(same coaches are 9-6, i remember that, really i do)