Coach Search Options after Autry

[phil77]

Discussion occuring about AA?

It makes sense that last game was bad really bad from a coaching perspective. Sure there are talks going on about if they would want to keep Red even if they squeak into the tournament at this point.

 

[RyanCuse44]

One more year

 

[dan7800]

Who says they did? He has a below average ACC head coach contract, at best middle of the ACC. Just because it’s more money than most people think it should be and he’s not earning it doesn’t mean that it’s some conspiracy.

We’ll know soon enough how serious Cuse is on paying for an in demand coach soon.

I was questioning if they did. Some posters alluded to a potential buyout.

 

[RedtheGOB]

It makes sense that last game was bad really bad from a coaching perspective. Sure there are talks going on about if they would want to keep Red even if they squeak into the tournament at this point.

Hofstra was the first strike and Clemson was the 2nd strike. Both games that leave no doubt that coaching made a difference. In some ways Clemson is far worse because now you have waited and waited and Donnie is back and you still don’t see any offensive adjustments. 61 points of offense at home.

3rd strike could come Tuesday or it could be coming over the span of a bunch of games but it’s coming.

I’m not really expecting Autry to be able to save his own job, he doesn’t have the decisiveness or awareness to realize big changes are needed and now it’s far too late.

But now I’m watching if any players step up to try to bail Autry out especially Donnie. We’ve seen talented players find a way to win even with inept coaching. In the back of my head I’m also thinking that all the ridiculous Autry substitution patterns have or will lose him the locker room eventually. It’s one thing against Stonehill to get some run but these guys aren’t stupid, they can read a +/- box score. How long before they stop caring when they’re watching the same insanity on offense we are.

 

[Irt4su]

this coaching staff does not make players better and does not make the team better as a whole. Then add on the in game decisions and it’s obvious. This is not about Red being anything but a poor coach. He is a great person, works hard and deserves to be successful but I think this is a job that is outside his acumen. The program cannot be allowed to sink further let alone be stuck in neutral.

 

[Blanko97]

For those curious, Schertz makes $2m plus incentives on a 6 year deal. The buyout for AA will be low-ish after this year. Buyout won’t matter, but the next pay grade will. Luke Murray they can get for AA salary. Schertz would be $3m+. Theres discussions occurring about AA. I’ll say that.

Well they see what 2M gets you, hopefully they’re not pleased with the result. Cough up the extra million and make 5M+ in additional revenue

 

[MSOrange]

One more year

I hope this is one of your attempts to just get attention and rile up the board, because it's ridiculous barring a significant turnaround. If you're serious, please expand on your argument.

 

[5OutFred]

Well they see what 2M gets you, hopefully they’re not pleased with the result. Cough up the extra million and make 5M+ in additional revenue

Yeah, as much as I love Schertz and think he'd be a homerun, it's not as simple as "he'd be dumb to turn us down." SLU has money, and he's almost certainly going to get an extension that increases an already sizable buyout. It's not out of the question that he waits another year for a bigger job to open, as much as that hurts to hear.

Wildhack will have to pony up to play, but within the context of revenue missed/revenue generated by what the payoff could be, I think you still pull the trigger, if he's interested.

Will tell us a lot about the university and the athletic department's risk appetite on their most public position.

 

[phil77]

Yeah, as much as I love Schertz and think he'd be a homerun, it's not as simple as "he'd be dumb to turn us down." SLU has money, and he's almost certainly going to get an extension that increases an already sizable buyout. It's not out of the question that he waits another year for a bigger job to open, as much as that hurts to hear.

Wildhack will have to pony up to play, but within the context of revenue missed/revenue generated by what the payoff could be, I think you still pull the trigger, if he's interested.

Will tell us a lot about the university and the athletic department's risk appetite on their most public position.

Look this is easy if Schertz is our #1 pick and think he is the guy who can turn us around in no way shape or form should SLU outbid us for a coach. PERIOD…. No well we never paid that before etc. those are excuse. We aren’t talking another P4 team outbidding us and offering 7-8 mil per this is SLU and again if our AD can’t convince him to leave SLU to come to Syracuse then our AD should leave as well.

 

[007]

Look this is easy if Schertz is our #1 pick and think he is the guy who can turn us around in no way shape or form should SLU outbid us for a coach. PERIOD…. No well we never paid that before etc. those are excuse. We aren’t talking another P4 team outbidding us and offering 7-8 mil per this is SLU and again if our AD can’t convince him to leave SLU to come to Syracuse then our AD should leave as well.

History suggests that SU will never set the mark for a HC contract. But they will offer a market level contract. Worrying about SU "cheaping out" or looking for bargains is misspent energy - I realize you are not saying they will.

IF Red is let go at the end of the season, the more important factor will be how many other high profile, P5 jobs are open. Even then, my sense is that SU will be considered a high profile opening because of the brand, the Dome, and the fact that the most of the pressure of following the HOF coach who's name is on the court will be gone.

 

[5OutFred]

IF Red is let go at the end of the season, the more important factor will be how many other high profile, P5 jobs are open. Even then, my sense is that SU will be considered a high profile opening because of the brand, the Dome, and the fact that the most of the pressure of following the HOF coach who's name is on the court will be gone.

Yep, this is my point exactly here. It's not a black-and-white matter of "SU vs SLU." There are tons of other factors. What if he has his sights set on another job next year? What if we're in a three-way bidding war against Pitt, Marquette, and we all want him? All those factors increase the price of what we'd have to shell out.

Look, we haven't done an actual coaching search since the 70's - just want the fanbase to go into this search with the necessary nuance and not fist-first if things aren't going our way with our top candidate.

 

[007]

Yep, this is my point exactly here. It's not a black-and-white matter of "SU vs SLU." There are tons of other factors. What if he has his sights set on another job next year? What if we're in a three-way bidding war against Pitt, Marquette, and we all want him? All those factors increase the price of what we'd have to shell out.

Look, we haven't done an actual coaching search since the 70's - just want the fanbase to go into this search with the necessary nuance and not fist-first if things aren't going our way with our top candidate.

I'm very confident about the thoroughness and integrity of the next HC search - whenever that may happen.

All of the board speculation about "this guy will definitely be on the list" or Coach X is the obvious "top candidate" stuff is fun but mostly irrelevant at this point in time.

 

[phil77]

History suggests that SU will never set the mark for a HC contract. But they will offer a market level contract. Worrying about SU "cheaping out" or looking for bargains is misspent energy - I realize you are not saying they will.

IF Red is let go at the end of the season, the more important factor will be how many other high profile, P5 jobs are open. Even then, my sense is that SU will be considered a high profile opening because of the brand, the Dome, and the fact that the most of the pressure of following the HOF coach who's name is on the court will be gone.

I don't think we will be cheap and will pay the going rate, but what I am saying is if Schertz is our #1 pick we should not settle for a different choice because of money. "We can only offer 3 million because that is the going rate, and we lost out on our #1 choice because he got 4 million from SLU" shouldn't be words spoken by anyone on this board. WHEN RED is fired, money shouldn't be a stumbling block for our #1 choice in coaches, and I realize we aren't going OATS money, but paying 3-5 million per year for a coach we value shouldn't be an issue or stumbling block.

The going rate for your #1 choice is what the market says it is, not what history says it should be. We shouldn't settle, if you miss on this choice, it will bury the program long term since "we had to" let Red put this program in a bigger hole.

 

[007]

I don't think we will be cheap and will pay the going rate, but what I am saying is if Schertz is our #1 pick we should not settle for a different choice because of money. "We can only offer 3 million because that is the going rate, and we lost out on our #1 choice because he got 4 million from SLU" shouldn't be words spoken by anyone on this board. WHEN RED is fired, money shouldn't be a stumbling block for our #1 choice in coaches, and I realize we aren't going OATS money, but paying 3-5 million per year for a coach we value shouldn't be an issue or stumbling block.

The going rate for your #1 choice is what the market says it is, not what history says it should be. We shouldn't settle, if you miss on this choice, it will bury the program long term since "we had to" let Red put this program in a bigger hole.

I understand your point, Phil. I also agree that we cannot afford to miss with the next hire. I'm confident that the university understands what's at stake. I just don't think they will see it as Coach X is the one and only can't miss guy for us no matter the cost.

 

[Cuse_NYC]

Oats grew up a Syracuse fan. You never know if he’d budge or not. It’s enough of being cheap. We’re a big time program that can be at the top again. Our standards are so low now that we seem to be content with assistants and mid major guys that are doing ok. We’re 100% back if we get an Oats,

 

[kingtidge]

I understand your point, Phil. I also agree that we cannot afford to miss with the next hire. I'm confident that the university understands what's at stake. I just don't think they will see it as Coach X is the one and only can't miss guy for us no matter the cost.

You do the national search with 3rd party search firm and get the best you can get.

I think the real questions are what level candidate are we targeting how well can the search firm sell it? Particularly based on:

• Size of salary package for HC and assistants
• Actual working NIL $$ available
• Program working budget and amenities
• Plans for facilities upgrades

The sum of all 4 will put us in a candidate target group.

 

[CuseMan4]

The guy grew up a Syracuse fan. You never know if he’d budge or not. It’s enough of being cheap. We’re a big time program that can be at the top again. Our standards are so low now that we seem to be content with assistants and mid major guys that are doing ok. We’re 100% back if we get an Oats,

I was pissed we didn’t make a move earlier to get oats. It was obvious how good of a coach he was and he was young. Boeheim was again fans the downturn of the program was already a few years in when Oats was available. I wanted to get him badddddd. And it just made too much sense since he was in Buffalo. But obviously they were not gonna push Boeheim out. Imagine only having a 2-3 downturn at the end of the Boeheim era and then Oats takes over…..program wouldn’t have missed a step and we’d be dominate

 

[phil77]

The guy grew up a Syracuse fan. You never know if he’d budge or not. It’s enough of being cheap. We’re a big time program that can be at the top again. Our standards are so low now that we seem to be content with assistants and mid major guys that are doing ok. We’re 100% back if we get an Oats,

Oats would have to take a pay cut across the board. That pay cut would be to his salary, his assistants' salaries, the recruiting budget, the NIL budget, and whatever other budget there is. Could he do that? Sure. Is it likely? No

 

[phil77]

You do the national search with 3rd party search firm and get the best you can get.

I think the real questions are what level candidate are we targeting how well can the search firm sell it? Particularly based on:

• Size of salary package for HC and assistants
• Actual working NIL $$ available
• Program working budget and amenities
• Plans for facilities upgrades

The sum of all 4 will put us in a candidate target group.

I wouldn't even waste money on a 3rd party search firm, save that money and put it towards coach's salary. If you do your homework for a week, you can get a list together. Should be putting out signals that the job will be available now.

 

[Cuse_NYC]

Oats would have to take a pay cut across the board. That pay cut would be to his salary, his assistants' salaries, the recruiting budget, the NIL budget, and whatever other budget there is. Could he do that? Sure. Is it likely? No

Why can’t we match? Just because we are cheap and stink lately? It’s a stress free transaction. We’re set for 15yrs.

 

[kingtidge]

I wouldn't even waste money on a 3rd party search firm, save that money and put it towards coach's salary. If you do your homework for a week, you can get a list together. Should be putting out signals that the job will be available now.

You want to dance with that devil??

Let's just have the board decide from their own shortlist then and tell Wildhack to write the press release and make the fawning announcement when ready.

 

[Bulldog04]

Nate oats is NEVER coming to Syracuse. It’s not even a discussion. They missed that chance and that’s not even discussing the fact he’s making over $5m this year and in 2 years will be making $7.5m

 

[Bulldog04]

And the only way AA gets another year is if he gets benefit of the doubt with Donnie being out and he comes back for 3rd year and JW feels that he deserves another chance. However, you can’t lose at home with a full lineup and I know JW is not happy with the loss to Hofstra and now Clemson. He laid out stipulations for what needs to happen and that’s not happening so discussions are being had… can AA turn it around? Maybe, but they would need to go on a run we haven’t seen in a long time

 

[phil77]

You want to dance with that devil??

Let's just have the board decide from their own shortlist then and tell Wildhack to write the press release and make the fawning announcement when ready.

Wildhack should provide the board with his shortlist, not the other way around. Wildhack should already be gathering a list of potential coaches and judging interesting via agents. That stuff should have started after Hofstra and if not it sure should have started after Clemson.

 

[sufan59]

And the only way AA gets another year is if he gets benefit of the doubt with Donnie being out and he comes back for 3rd year and JW feels that he deserves another chance. However, you can’t lose at home with a full lineup and I know JW is not happy with the loss to Hofstra and now Clemson. He laid out stipulations for what needs to happen and that’s not happening so discussions are being had… can AA turn it around? Maybe, but they would need to go on a run we haven’t seen in a long time

The main thing is they should be going on the run we haven’t seen in a long time because they really have the players. It’s so frustrating and mind boggling how they can’t seem to really hit the stride they are capable of. This roster has so little weaknesses. Either Autry can’t get the players to run his system the way it should be or the system is not a winning one. Either way it’s a reflection on the head coach.