Coach Search Options after Autry

[chadvader]

With what has gone on the past 10 years. Why would you have a problem with someone feeling that way?

Because Gerry is not Boeheim and Gerry is not Red. And to think that A will fail because B failed is a cognitive bias that prevents someone from thinking clearly or rationally.

 

[Fly Rodder]

I still think we need to be $10M total roster money to get who we want, my guess is Hodgson wants $12M.

I want a few million too. One thing coaches need to be told - just like in the real world - is to make do with what you get. I manage multi-million dollar projects and if I went hat in hand to the client and said, yeah, we can do it for $3m, but $5m will make it a lot easier for me, they're going to tell me to get bent. And if I do it twice, I'll be RIF'd. I get that this is the negotiation stage, but at some point it's OK to push back on requests for more money. There's being competitive and there's throwing money at a problem and that's no way to run a business.

 

[Cusefan0307]

Because Gerry is not Boeheim and Gerry is not Red. And to think that A will fail because B failed is a cognitive bias that prevents someone from thinking clearly or rationally.

A concern would be he brings in Blackwell and Arinze then decides to hire Devendorf and Triche. The track record of us bringing in someone with new ideas is poor.

 

[RedtheGOB]

Again, and I’ll post this for about a gazillionth time, last year’s $8M total roster money (actually a bit more) was seen as a one time situation with a specific donor ponying up an unusual amount. The $8M (rev share and NIL) would be a bit less than I think we can raise, but it’s not out the ballpark of possibility.

I still think we need to be $10M total roster money to get who we want, my guess is Hodgson wants $12M.

Donna above said no one has any idea what the NIL was last year. She personally has no idea and was told 8 but she doesn't think it was that, Since everyone she talks to has said something different and alot of them are people that would know it's a whole mess of how much.

Honestly I hope BH and Gmac or any other candidates do light a fire under the university and decisionmakers that 12 is what they need to come up with.

If you upfront tell the school what it's going to cost this much to win that's what they are going to budget for. Obvi this is with NIL and donors but still it needs to be said upfront

Reminds me of some Michael Scott below

 

[granthath9]

Regarding NIL, I’ve heard it was closer 10 than it was 8…

 

[sufan59]

I want a few million too. One thing coaches need to be told - just like in the real world - is to make do with what you get. I manage multi-million dollar projects and if I went hat in hand to the client and said, yeah, we can do it for $3m, but $5m will make it a lot easier for me, they're going to tell me to get bent. And if I do it twice, I'll be RIF'd. I get that this is the negotiation stage, but at some point it's OK to push back on requests for more money. There's being competitive and there's throwing money at a problem and that's no way to run a business.

I would guess that if they have been in talks for that long, the number they want keeps going up with every goalpost Hodgson and South Florida clear, it honestly may have less to do with Providence going higher and about what USF is accomplishing. In this tournament alone, how well South Florida does will increase the amount they will want guaranteed right away. Think of Dusty May and Michigan, the resources they have is a lot, but Dusty got more than I'm sure the next guy they had on the list would've gotten because they got a guy that had FAU in the Final Four and in the top 25 over the course of the previous two seasons. He's showing that the initial investment is worth it based on what he has already done. No need to prove it with average resources that you can produce above average results in year 1.

 

[XC Cuse]

I'm fine with Gerry as a second choice. With that being said, Gerry can't completely wash his hands of the decline of SU basketball. He was there for most of it. We can't just pretend that he wasn't. I like what I see out of Siena, but I'd like to see a bit more before I say give him the keys.

Hodgson has done nothing but win everywhere. In a dream scenario, having one of those two get us to the final four, I'd prefer for it to be Gerry. But as of right now, I also truly believe that Hodgson is more likely to actually be able to do it.

I have wondered if Autry fell flat in last 2 years was a result of Gerry leaving, talent wise this years team was more talented than Autrys first year, but we were most successful when GMac was here. No definitive proof, but the thought had crossed my mind.

 

[Briancuse]

Because Gerry is not Boeheim and Gerry is not Red. And to think that A will fail because B failed is a cognitive bias that prevents someone from thinking clearly or rationally.

Was gmac on the coaching staff for a big chunk of the past 10 years?

 

[DanielA]

Again, and I’ll post this for about a gazillionth time, last year’s $8M total roster money (actually a bit more) was seen as a one time situation with a specific donor ponying up an unusual amount. The $8M (rev share and NIL) would be a bit less than I think we can raise, but it’s not out the ballpark of possibility.

I still think we need to be $10M total roster money to get who we want, my guess is Hodgson wants $12M.

With Lally donating to basketball if we hire Hodgson would that put us over 10M and closer to 12?

 

[chadvader]

Was gmac on the coaching staff for a big chunk of the past 10 years?

Oh yeah because an assistant coach was going to tell Jim Boeheim what to do.

 

[Jake]

I want a few million too. One thing coaches need to be told - just like in the real world - is to make do with what you get. I manage multi-million dollar projects and if I went hat in hand to the client and said, yeah, we can do it for $3m, but $5m will make it a lot easier for me, they're going to tell me to get bent. And if I do it twice, I'll be RIF'd. I get that this is the negotiation stage, but at some point it's OK to push back on requests for more money. There's being competitive and there's throwing money at a problem and that's no way to run a business.

TBH, I have a hard time thinking Lally doesn’t give him whatever he wants.

If we whiff on Hodgson, it’s a complete embarrassment for Lally. The “X” tweets alone with the Lally foundation kissing up to Hodgson are enough to make it look like Lally was hilariously pwned.

As AZorange has said, I think this has been done for awhile- we’re just watching theater at this point. People trying to wrangle some extra dollars and others trying to establish plausible deniability that this wasn’t orchestrated over cocktails in a Tampa restaurant.

If you’re John Lally, the story that we’re going to lose Hodgson to PC or USF due to lack of funds checks two boxes.

1) it establishes plausible deniability
2) it allows him to write a check he was already prepared to write to ”save the day”

 

[richmondcuse03]

TBH, I have a hard time thinking Lally doesn’t give him whatever he wants.

If we whiff on Hodgson, it’s a complete embarrassment for Lally. The “X” tweets alone with the Lally foundation kissing up to Hodgson are enough to make it look like Lally was hilariously pwned.

As AZorange has said, I think this has been done for awhile- we’re just watching theater at this point. People trying to wrangle some extra dollars and others trying to establish plausible deniability that this wasn’t orchestrated over cocktails in a Tampa restaurant.

If you’re John Lally, the story that we’re going to lose Hodgson to PC or USF due to lack of funds checks two boxes.

1) it establishes plausible deniability
2) it allows him to write a check he was already prepared to write to ”save the day”

Bingo. Nailed it. The Lally’s have a publicist. This all makes him look like a savior.

 

[RedtheGOB]

Regarding NIL, I’ve heard it was closer 10 than it was 8…

So do we believe granthath9 or Donna?

 

[Briancuse]

Bingo. Nailed it. The Lally’s have a publicist. This all makes him look like a savior.

Can someone tell me more about lally ive only heard his name in passing. I believe he played football here. How did he make his fortune?

 

[Orange315]

Gmac is my all time favorite player. 2006 Big East tourney was unreal. Got in late and missed the UConn game. Went to the bitter end and saw the Stefani Germanotta band. Literally didn’t realize until 2 weeks ago watching a TikTok of her at that bar that it was lady Gaga. Anyway, I think he’s been good at Siena but I really want Hodgson. I feel like he immediately gets us back.

 

[rocklloyd]

Here is the aspect I haven't see discussed yet. What if either guy gets off to.a bad start? The fan base will be patient with bh. He's never been here before. If gmac does people are going to.be all over him. This is autry 2.0, another bad boeheim tree guy.

This is high stakes with zero grace period. New coach needs to win next year. No excuses.

 

[Cusefan0307]

Can someone tell me more about lally ive only heard his name in passing. I believe he played football here. How did he make his fortune?

He was born on 3rd base to this company and sold it about 10 years ago.

PCB Piezotronics - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[hoopsupstate]

Unfortunately, our two studs didn’t perform to what the expectation were. I still don’t see last year’s roster worth $10 million. Hodgson knows what kind of player he wants so that should help in the evaluation process.

 

[Orangefan1]

Bingo. Nailed it. The Lally’s have a publicist. This all makes him look like a savior.

Bingo bango

 

[granthath9]

So do we believe granthath9 or Donna?

Multiple people on this thread have said they’ve heard different numbers. Just telling you what I have heard just like they did. You have been nothing but rude to me. If you don’t like me, mute me. Simple as that.

 

[Melancer46]

I want a few million too. One thing coaches need to be told - just like in the real world - is to make do with what you get. I manage multi-million dollar projects and if I went hat in hand to the client and said, yeah, we can do it for $3m, but $5m will make it a lot easier for me, they're going to tell me to get bent. And if I do it twice, I'll be RIF'd. I get that this is the negotiation stage, but at some point it's OK to push back on requests for more money. There's being competitive and there's throwing money at a problem and that's no way to run a business.

Agreed and I'm in a similar line of business where I just went through this. Inherited a project with $4 million to spend and learned the original proposal left off half of the costs so actually needed $6 million to be completed lol.

Big difference here is if we hypothetically tell BH he has to make do with $8 mil and Providence says they can do $10, $12, $14, whatever, then yeah, fairly reasonable for him at that point to go with Providence.

If we simply aren't willing/able to spend that kind of money on the program, then yeah, it's best to draw that line in the sand. But the quality of coach we get will probably be impacted in the process.

 

[DanielA]

TBH, I have a hard time thinking Lally doesn’t give him whatever he wants.

If we whiff on Hodgson, it’s a complete embarrassment for Lally. The “X” tweets alone with the Lally foundation kissing up to Hodgson are enough to make it look like Lally was hilariously pwned.

As AZorange has said, I think this has been done for awhile- we’re just watching theater at this point. People trying to wrangle some extra dollars and others trying to establish plausible deniability that this wasn’t orchestrated over cocktails in a Tampa restaurant.

If you’re John Lally, the story that we’re going to lose Hodgson to PC or USF due to lack of funds checks two boxes.

1) it establishes plausible deniability
2) it allows him to write a check he was already prepared to write to ”save the day”

Or you really just want Syracuse basketball to be good again.

 

[Orangezoo]

TBH, I have a hard time thinking Lally doesn’t give him whatever he wants.

If we whiff on Hodgson, it’s a complete embarrassment for Lally. The “X” tweets alone with the Lally foundation kissing up to Hodgson are enough to make it look like Lally was hilariously pwned.

As AZorange has said, I think this has been done for awhile- we’re just watching theater at this point. People trying to wrangle some extra dollars and others trying to establish plausible deniability that this wasn’t orchestrated over cocktails in a Tampa restaurant.

If you’re John Lally, the story that we’re going to lose Hodgson to PC or USF due to lack of funds checks two boxes.

1) it establishes plausible deniability
2) it allows him to write a check he was already prepared to write to ”save the day”

Which in the long run - if they get the praise they want by ponying up for a few years and things go well, then money comes in, they avoid egg on their face and also don’t end up footing the giant bill they helped create.. it’s a slimy and dangerous game but at this point slimy and successful is better than the alternative I guess.

 

[baggerbob]

Here is the aspect I haven't see discussed yet. What if either guy gets off to.a bad start? The fan base will be patient with bh. He's never been here before. If gmac does people are going to.be all over him. This is autry 2.0, another bad boeheim tree guy.

If Gerry gets hired and isn't in the tournament and at least an 8 seed the 1st year things will get ugly quick. So the best thing for everyone is get off the hire Gmac now train, a bad idea.

 

[baggerbob]

Because Gerry is not Boeheim and Gerry is not Red. And to think that A will fail because B failed is a cognitive bias that prevents someone from thinking clearly or rationally.

And Gerry hasn't proven he can recruit at the level we need to win in the ACC. Give him a few years at a better place then Siena to see if he can.