Coach Search Options after Autry

[OptimusOtto]

That's where I'm at -- I'm hoping that the new AD pulls some high potential candidate out of left field that isn't on our "list."

I'm afraid of where this is headed now.

If our list is Gmac and Hop is this a bad thing ?

 

[Orangezoo]

Whomever the next HC is will be crucified if they don't succeed. Posts like the above are pre-emptive strikes.

I'm cautiously hopeful there is a surprise candidate better than .660 career dude that somehow has everyone mystified & really has had a cancerous effect on posts here.

But, if not, I would hope for a GMac or Schertz or Murray. And, if its GMac, I would expect him to approach the job w the same gusto & stones he's brought his entire career.

If its Hop though, I don't know. Seems past his time, but who knows?

Either way, I'll be rooting for the next HCs success.

I won’t repeat what I said to DCuse but it applies here too. It’s not in the ballpark of preemptive strike if you’ve read my posts and perspective of where I stand on GMac. You couldn’t be more wrong in that regard.

 

[phil77]

If it is between hop and GMAC it’s GMAC by a mile
IMO. Not even debatable. But he’d have to want to come back (not sure)

If you are doing a real national search and searching for what JW mentioned in his release why would it ever ever ever ever come down to GMac versus Hop. They shouldn't even be thought of if you do a real national search.

 

[Briancuse]

If our list is Gmac and Hop is this a bad thing ?

Beyond bad.

 

[FireballPhil]

If it comes down to GMac or Hop I want Hop. They both have fire and passion, but GMac only has a couple years under his belt. I thought Hop had a bad deal when he filled in for JB, forcing him to take over a system that wasn't his, although he knew the system intimately. They weren't all Hop's guys, JB at that time was putting the kabosh on some of the "better" recruits. Hop moved on to Washington where he was less than stellar, however was still picked up by an NBA team. It is my hope that he has learned a ton from being in the NBA system and is smart enough to have adapted his initial style. I do think Hogkins was overblown, and hasn't really proven himself very much either. Just being outside the family shouldn't automatically give him a heads up. If you can coach you can coach no matter the pedigree. I want someone who has a few years more experience overall than either Hodkins or Gerry. There are even a few D2 coaches that have been very successful that should get as close a look like Matt Margenthaler, Joe Lomardi, or Tom Brown to name a few. I would take these proven coaches at this point over GMac or Hodgkins.

 

[bnoro]

That's where I'm at -- I'm hoping that the new AD pulls some high potential candidate out of left field that isn't on our "list."

I'm afraid of where this is headed now.

There are over 300 coaches in D1 that we haven't linked in this thread so fingers crossed.

If I was in charge I'm immediately requesting an interview with Phil Martelli Jr. & Jerrod Calhoun

 

[PauliePeppas]

Seriously, who is even picking the hc? 35 cooks in the kitchen and the best recipe between them all is dinosaur nuggets. Where are the legit BASKETBALL minds?!!!!

 

[DocFlanders]

This new AD stepping into a real poop show, good luck getting out of here unscathed...

 

[phil77]

So we are going to come full circle for this circus, and JAB is going to get exactly what he wants in GMac. We deserve everything that is going to happen to us in the next three years. The good news in three more years when we are searching for another coach JAB can tell us all who we should hire and Syracuse will listen. Maybe one of his kids will be ready to take over the program then.

 

[Newhouser]

Yes, I've watched their games. They still rely on Doty to make TOUGH SHOTS.

In crunch time a lot of teams ask their best player to make tough shots. I don't think GMAC's offense is 5d chess but it is a ton better conceptually than Red's.

 

[Jake]

I also wouldn’t be shocked if one of the major donors funding the USF package for BH is JL.

 

[bnoro]

I also wouldn’t be shocked if one of the major donors funding the USF package for BH is JL.

Didn't get his way with Lyke so he's sticking it to SU?

 

[AngryOtto]

The concern is that Hayne said sports will improve the profile of the school and there is the potential they did not step up to hire the best coach. A majority of the die hard fans will not be happy if Gerry is hired. Others will because they are casual fans remembering the good old days.
It’s sad what has become. I never use to miss an su game. Plan my day to watch. Over the last several years losing interest in BB. Find I have other things to do than watch a bad product that was poorly coached.
Now GMAC is probably a better coach than Red (low bar) but it’s another JB legacy hire that won’t move the needle or get fans back engaged unless there is a mass roster change and influx of talent which does not seem reasonable.
He will also bring all his assistants which are former su guys. I like su players but also at this point need some different view points.

 

[OrangeXtreme]

Did you not go to, or watch any games this year? Where were all "the fans who still support the team (who) would hate to see those empty seats go to waste every game."?

Those of us in the 300's.

If those seats go unsold next season, they should be occupied. Looks better on TV.

 

[TheHaze315]

I also wouldn’t be shocked if one of the major donors funding the USF package for BH is JL.

What??

 

[UpstateSM]

*Job Rothstein vocie*

So much Elon Musk in John Lally...

 

[OptimusOtto]

Beyond bad.

Let me rephrase - if the consensus is that the list is Hop or GMac but the AD goes out of left field and hires someone that's not Hop or GMac. I think the consensus on this board would view that as a (relative) win.

 

[sufan59]

I also wouldn’t be shocked if one of the major donors funding the USF package for BH is JL.

If the SU Basketball people wanted JL not involved, fund the team they actually also like to keep him. USF will be in a power conference soon enough. Hopefully Syracuse can keep the Lally’s in the fold on football.

 

[chadvader]

The concern is that Hayne said sports will improve the profile of the school and there is the potential they did not step up to hire the best coach. A majority of the die hard fans will not be happy if Gerry is hired. Others will because they are casual fans remembering the good old days.
It’s sad what has become. I never use to miss an su game. Plan my day to watch. Over the last several years losing interest in BB. Find I have other things to do than watch a bad product that was poorly coached.
Now GMAC is probably a better coach than Red (low bar) but it’s another JB legacy hire that won’t move the needle or get fans back engaged unless there is a mass roster change and influx of talent which does not seem reasonable.
He will also bring all his assistants which are former su guys. I like su players but also at this point need some different view points.

The thing is regardless of who is hired the fan base isn't going to be happy without early season wins that build momentum anyway. Hodgson would have to prove himself the same way that Gerry will to get fans to buy back in.

 

[kingtidge]

If it comes down to GMac or Hop I want Hop. They both have fire and passion, but GMac only has a couple years under his belt. I thought Hop had a bad deal when he filled in for JB, forcing him to take over a system that wasn't his, although he knew the system intimately. They weren't all Hop's guys, JB at that time was putting the kabosh on some of the "better" recruits. Hop moved on to Washington where he was less than stellar, however was still picked up by an NBA team. It is my hope that he has learned a ton from being in the NBA system and is smart enough to have adapted his initial style. I do think Hogkins was overblown, and hasn't really proven himself very much either. Just being outside the family shouldn't automatically give him a heads up. If you can coach you can coach no matter the pedigree. I want someone who has a few years more experience overall than either Hodkins or Gerry. There are even a few D2 coaches that have been very successful that should get as close a look like Matt Margenthaler, Joe Lomardi, or Tom Brown to name a few. I would take these proven coaches at this point over GMac or Hodgkins.

I don't know why anyone would want Hodgkins.

 

[PhatOrange]

If we're doing a national search, how is the next pivot Gerry or Hop?

Technically Hop would qualify it as a national search. Lol

 

[phil77]

I also wouldn’t be shocked if one of the major donors funding the USF package for BH is JL.

Well it is only a matter of time before the Lallys take their ball and leave.

 

[Frozen]

 

[Hopkins16]

If Hodgson is truly out, then at this point I’m going with Murray. He understands today’s college game and has been part of UConn’s terrific run alongside Hurley.
Jason Hart, Hop and GMac are my guys if I am going with my heart and with SU family loyalty, but Murray makes too much sense if it’s all about business and righting the ship.

 

[RedtheGOB]

This makes sense to me.

Because it would make ZERO sense for the Hodgson camp to put out a press release through a mouthpiece like Goodman a day and a half before his team plays an important NCAAT game.

But from a PR perspective, it DOES make sense for his camp to get out in front of a story where Syracuse is choosing someone else over him. You preempt that by putting info out there that you turned them down first, you didn't get turned down. PR 101 spin.

Agree fully. There’s a ton of interdependencies as well. I’m not naive to think it’s not money but there’s a story behind it too.

Everyone just thought the Lallys because theyre buds with BH would just step up to give what he asked for hoops in NIL. Reality is that they can do that at USF too and live in that community half the year. You think they can show their face at USF games if BH goes up to CNY and it was so blatantly thrown in their faces at USF.

Make no mistake snowbirds are snowbirds. Nothing brings them back to CNY in Jan and Feb. point being they may be quite happy with the status quo where they support hoops and BH in Florida and Fran for football in the fall.

And Frans no dope either. He knows Every check that Lally writes for BH is a check not going to him to find an offensive line right now. We all assume they can just write blank checks but

We may screwed with a coach or we maybe we won’t but it’s not just simple that Goodman said “he turned us down”