Coach Search Options after Autry

[cliftonparksufan]

Murray was with Hurley, at least partially, at URI & Wagner.

Was his impact on the offense as pronounced at those places? If not, did he learn his system while under Mack at Xavier and Louisville? Maybe Mack is more appealing than we think?

I threw Mack's name out there 500 pages ago. Only a couple others were warm to him. He checks off a lot of boxes and has been a fairly consistent winner.

 

[CU44SE]

I know the prince is probably a little busy with everything going on in the Middle East right now. But didn’t dasher put out a mission. Has anyone made progress communicating with the prince to donate some of their 1 trillion dollars to Syracuse NIL?

 

[rocklloyd]

I hope Blair can figure this out. It’s what he was hired for given his background

 

[richmondcuse03]

JHC do I need to get quit my job and just figure this out full time?

Let’s team up. We can do it part time and fix it.

 

[OrangeXtreme]

 

[qdawgg]

Blair is in charge of picking the new head coach, correct?

Someone said yesterday, who would know, that it wouldn’t just be Blair making the decision. Prob Haynie and others will have some input and maybe more than Blair. If I’m Blair and we’re hiring Hop or Gmac, I wouldn’t want my name attached to the hire anyway. When it fails, it wasn’t your call.

 

[richmondcuse03]

We have a lot of successful alums, but it appears most of the uber wealthy ones aren’t all that interested in sports. Or maybe we’ve just done a poor job keeping them connected to the school? That said isn’t Zaslav on the BOT at some level? Maybe he’s just a nerd.

I don’t think NIL has ever come up at the BoT. From what I understand trustees know very little about how this all works unless they’re personally involved and I don’t think any are. That's part of the problem. This should have been a university focus in terms of finding businesses (or high net worth individuals with businesses) to fund a collective. We haven’t dedicated resources or attention to it. It was all “we have a small fundraising team and in addition to raising money for the general AD funds, we now need them to do it for NiL too.” And those same people are usually fighting with the regular fundraisers at SU for the same donor pool.

And that’s before you consider now that every deal that goes in the clearinghouse needs a business tied to it and it has to be commercially viable. So a company has to be giving money contractually to the collective and receiving a benefit from the endorsements / marketing deals with the players in the collective.

I have many ideas and ways this could be fixed. But alas I’m sure my ideas go in a “comment box” tied to a trash can.

A new young AD who can get buy in from multiple departments and change internal infrastructure is the only way we fix some of this stuff. And the Chancellor and BoT need to make sure he has the power to fix what’s broken.

 

[RyanCuse44]

How does Duke do it?

I was thinking Vandy as well in the last few years also.

 

[RyanCuse44]

Think 3 more years of the past 3 years

 

[JarHeadJim]

Me after reading this thread for the last two hours.

 

[JarHeadJim]

Can we just hire Dan Mullins and be done with it. Oh wait three years to late.

 

[Hopkins16]

If my summary is correct, we have high hopes of one of the up and coming coaches who understand today’s college game (how it’s played and the NIL landscape). But, the job isn’t attractive as the program needs to dig itself out of a deep hole but we have a blunt and broken shovel and do not have deep NIL pockets.

We always seem to miss out on the best players who say we are the “dream school”, but sadly, because of our light pockets and declining status, this is a case where we will get a coach who sees this as the “dream job” (Hopkins or McNamara).

 

[JarHeadJim]

Duck this guy!

 

[DilemaCuse]

Again, my guess is they are directing most of the revenue sharing and most of the NIL fund raising to football. I could be wrong but that seems the only way we can be so cash and NIL poor for mens basketball.

With Jim giving a discount for all those years and being top 3 in revenue, I would have thought the bball savings account side of the ledger would have grown with interest over time. Maybe that revenue went to Dome improvements, football support, Ensley Athletic center. Im just still stumped how this program is cash poor while being tops in revenue. We even left the Big East for ACC money, none of that is trickling down to bball, its all being eaten by football? It just doesn't add up.

 

[richmondcuse03]

With Jim giving a discount for all those years and being top 3 in revenue, I would have thought the bball savings account side of the ledger would have grown with interest over time. Maybe that revenue went to Dome improvements, football support, Ensley Athletic center. Im just still stumped how this program is cash poor while being tops in revenue. We even left the Big East for ACC money, none of that is trickling down to bball, its all being eaten by football? It just doesn't add up.

It covered operating expenses elsewhere.

 

[Melancer46]

I’d take Gerry in this scenario. Skinn’s offense is offensive.

Granted it's different eras: we had some top ranked offenses at the time under Boeheim that weren't as high an ORtg just because of the fact that offenses have gotten more efficient in recent years, but you'd have to go back to 2011 to find a Syracuse alum that coached a team to a higher ORtg than Skinn did this season. Basically same goes for Skinn's first season at GMU too.

Not to say his offense is aesthetically pleasing (though I'd say same goes for a lot of the more analytics based offenses too) or particularly good, but his ORtg has generally been well above average.

 

[nyucuse]

It's a good article by Carlson. Really like hearing from Dusty May. Even a behemoth like Michigan was scraping pennies to pay players last year. He didn't start with a massive warchest. He is a great coach who found the right players.

I am not saying we do not need to pay. We do. But we also need a coach who can get identify players, get the best out of them, show success, and then, as with May, greater funding will become available.

Our c. $8m this year was more than enough to be competitive. Again, look at the B12. Great coaching, mediocre resources. We all know Autry was woefully ill equipped for this job. I hope if we can provide a modest step up from $8m next year, and identify the right coach who knows what this program can and should be, that we can be off to the races once again.

There has been so much doom and gloom not only on this board, but from the talking heads, particularly after the latest Hodgson news. I still want to remain somewhat optimistic that the admin has a plan and that they are talking to the right people who remember Cuse as a premier destination (it was not that long ago), and believe in it's potential to get back to the bigtime.

I don't want this to sound like sour grapes because it isn't. But if Hodgson, or any other coach for that matter wants to go to Providence over Syracuse, that's quite weak in my opinion. May got minimal funding but he knew what Michigan represents and its potential. He had the confidence he needed and now they are rolling. And I don't see a scenario where SU has 'one of the lowest NIL budgets in the country', as May claimed last year. Likely not top tier, but sufficient for the right coach to do his thing. And the hope and expectation is success begets success.

No more excuses. Find the right coach for this job. The one who knows what we have been and where should in the basketball hierarchy, has belief in himself, and let's roll.

 

[br801]

Duck this guy!

Hoops Weiss bringing the random capitalization to the party is a nice touch. He also misses jump balls after each made basket.

 

[RyanCuse44]

One of my favorite past times is spending other people's money for them Love the pipe dream! Passion and interest are here on syracusefan wish we had a Marc Cuban who loves cuse athletics as much as he loves the hoosiers!

He's one of the biggest a@@holes out there. He can take his $$$ and stick it where the sun don't shine.

 

[OrangeXtreme]

Hoops Weiss bringing the random capitalization to the party is a nice touch.

Weiss is so old, he uses an actual typewriter.

 

[br801]

Weiss is so old, he uses an actual typewriter.

 

[Orangezoo]

Let’s team up. We can do it part time and fix it.

5-6 part timers would do it. It’s been on my mind a ton too having raised 20 million for a struggling non profit during CoVid just simply putting in the effort to hunt available grants that were a match. That was offering nothing but reputational benefit and services that were antiquated.

Put enough minds on here together and it could be fixed to manage public donations alongside everything else. Hell, getting donors on the same page too - I’m sure enough of us have worked a boardroom or leadership meetings enough to corral some egos with a strong message and vision…

 

[Scotch]

I don’t think NIL has ever come up at the BoT. From what I understand trustees know very little about how this all works unless they’re personally involved and I don’t think any are. That's part of the problem. This should have been a university focus in terms of finding businesses (or high net worth individuals with businesses) to fund a collective. We haven’t dedicated resources or attention to it. It was all “we have a small fundraising team and in addition to raising money for the general AD funds, we now need them to do it for NiL too.” And those same people are usually fighting with the regular fundraisers at SU for the same donor pool.

And that’s before you consider now that every deal that goes in the clearinghouse needs a business tied to it and it has to be commercially viable. So a company has to be giving money contractually to the collective and receiving a benefit from the endorsements / marketing deals with the players in the collective.

I have many ideas and ways this could be fixed. But alas I’m sure my ideas go in a “comment box” tied to a trash can.

A new young AD who can get buy in from multiple departments and change internal infrastructure is the only way we fix some of this stuff. And the Chancellor and BoT need to make sure he has the power to fix what’s broken.

It's absolutely insane that this is where we are while other schools figured this out 5 years ago.

 

[Newhouser]

Two serious questions on GMac:
1. Earlier this year it was mentioned that he would have specific demands and would not be a guarantee to even want the job. Was that posturing or did something change ?
2. What’s his relationship like with Red? I know money talks but curious if they are close enough that he’d have any reservations about being his replacement the way he left.

I'm more curious what his relationship is with Melo - especially when you factor in that he is bringing Doty. I know people on this forum think Doty is a bum, but he is a better dribbler, defender, rebounder, hustler, FT shooter, and passer than Melo's son, and I think they play the same position.

 

[richmondcuse03]

5-6 part timers would do it. It’s been on my mind a ton too having raised 20 million for a struggling non profit during CoVid just simply putting in the effort to hunt available grants that were a match. That was offering nothing but reputational benefit and services that were antiquated.

Put enough minds on here together and it could be fixed to manage public donations alongside everything else. Hell, getting donors on the same page too - I’m sure enough of us have worked a boardroom or leadership meetings enough to corral some egos with a strong message and vision…

Amen. Completely agree. Need people with new ideas and hustle. You can’t expect things to change with the same people and resources.