Coach Search Options after Autry

[richmondcuse03]

It's a good article by Carlson. Really like hearing from Dusty May. Even a behemoth like Michigan was scraping pennies to pay players last year. He didn't start with a massive warchest. He is a great coach who found the right players.

I am not saying we do not need to pay. We do. But we also need a coach who can get identify players, get the best out of them, show success, and then, as with May, greater funding will become available.

Our c. $8m this year was more than enough to be competitive. Again, look at the B12. Great coaching, mediocre resources. We all know Autry was woefully ill equipped for this job. I hope if we can provide a modest step up from $8m next year, and identify the right coach who knows what this program can and should be, that we can be off to the races once again.

There has been so much doom and gloom not only on this board, but from the talking heads, particularly after the latest Hodgson news. I still want to remain somewhat optimistic that the admin has a plan and that they are talking to the right people who remember Cuse as a premier destination (it was not that long ago), and believe in it's potential to get back to the bigtime.

I don't want this to sound like sour grapes because it isn't. But if Hodgson, or any other coach for that matter wants to go to Providence over Syracuse, that's quite weak in my opinion. May got minimal funding but he knew what Michigan represents and its potential. He had the confidence he needed and now they are rolling. And I don't see a scenario where SU has 'one of the lowest NIL budgets in the country', as May claimed last year. Likely not top tier, but sufficient for the right coach to do his thing. And the hope and expectation is success begets success.

No more excuses. Find the right coach for this job. The one who knows what we have been and where should in the basketball hierarchy, has belief in himself, and let's roll.

That’s the attitude we need. Completely agree. Also the bar is getting into the tournament again. Plenty of teams do it without spending what we did.

 

[Orangezoo]

That’s the attitude we need. Completely agree. Also the bar is getting into the tournament again. Plenty of teams do it without spending what we did.

Right - get into the tourney in year 1. Year 2 is a higher seed and from there the goals go up as the funding goes up.

 

[Newhouser]

It's a good article by Carlson. Really like hearing from Dusty May. Even a behemoth like Michigan was scraping pennies to pay players last year. He didn't start with a massive warchest. He is a great coach who found the right players.

I am not saying we do not need to pay. We do. But we also need a coach who can get identify players, get the best out of them, show success, and then, as with May, greater funding will become available.

Our c. $8m this year was more than enough to be competitive. Again, look at the B12. Great coaching, mediocre resources. We all know Autry was woefully ill equipped for this job. I hope if we can provide a modest step up from $8m next year, and identify the right coach who knows what this program can and should be, that we can be off to the races once again.

There has been so much doom and gloom not only on this board, but from the talking heads, particularly after the latest Hodgson news. I still want to remain somewhat optimistic that the admin has a plan and that they are talking to the right people who remember Cuse as a premier destination (it was not that long ago), and believe in it's potential to get back to the bigtime.

I don't want this to sound like sour grapes because it isn't. But if Hodgson, or any other coach for that matter wants to go to Providence over Syracuse, that's quite weak in my opinion. May got minimal funding but he knew what Michigan represents and its potential. He had the confidence he needed and now they are rolling. And I don't see a scenario where SU has 'one of the lowest NIL budgets in the country', as May claimed last year. Likely not top tier, but sufficient for the right coach to do his thing. And the hope and expectation is success begets success.

No more excuses. Find the right coach for this job. The one who knows what we have been and where should in the basketball hierarchy, has belief in himself, and let's roll.

Didn't May also get to a Final Four with d2 transfers at FGCU? We are up against it in terms of funds, and frankly I think we always will be until we tap out. That does not mean however you can't compete and put a good product on the floor that should make the tourney and have a flukey run every so often.

 

[Melancer46]

Didn't May also get to a Final Four with d2 transfers at FGCU? We are up against it in terms of funds, and frankly I think we always will be until we tap out. That does not mean however you can't compete and put a good product on the floor that should make the tourney and have a flukey run every so often.

FAU, but yes. FGCU was Andy Enfield if my memory is correct (SMU coach now). Man what a fun Cinderella team they were

 

[Hawknate144]

Didn't May also get to a Final Four with d2 transfers at FGCU? We are up against it in terms of funds, and frankly I think we always will be until we tap out. That does not mean however you can't compete and put a good product on the floor that should make the tourney and have a flukey run every so often.

FAU, not FGCU, but otherwise I think that's pretty correct

 

[JrodCuse]

Well this thread has become depressing af in a very short period of time.

 

[Briancuse]

Weiss is so old, he uses an actual typewriter.

Someone had to break the news to him that he can't send a tweet from his typewriter.

 

[Newhouser]

FAU, but yes. FGCU was Andy Enfield if my memory is correct (SMU coach now). Man what a fun Cinderella team they were

right my bad - thank you.

 

[Widget24]

Well this thread has become depressing af in a very short period of time.

It is depressingly ironic how confident many of the insiders were about BH and how we were all ragging on Goodman being such a dope two days ago, and then later that day, it happened to be Goodman who flipped our world upside down.

 

[Newhouser]

FAU, not FGCU, but otherwise I think that's pretty correct

correct my bad too many acronyms.

 

[Cusefan0307]

I don’t think NIL has ever come up at the BoT. From what I understand trustees know very little about how this all works unless they’re personally involved and I don’t think any are. That's part of the problem. This should have been a university focus in terms of finding businesses (or high net worth individuals with businesses) to fund a collective. We haven’t dedicated resources or attention to it. It was all “we have a small fundraising team and in addition to raising money for the general AD funds, we now need them to do it for NiL too.” And those same people are usually fighting with the regular fundraisers at SU for the same donor pool.

And that’s before you consider now that every deal that goes in the clearinghouse needs a business tied to it and it has to be commercially viable. So a company has to be giving money contractually to the collective and receiving a benefit from the endorsements / marketing deals with the players in the collective.

I have many ideas and ways this could be fixed. But alas I’m sure my ideas go in a “comment box” tied to a trash can.

A new young AD who can get buy in from multiple departments and change internal infrastructure is the only way we fix some of this stuff. And the Chancellor and BoT need to make sure he has the power to fix what’s broken.

This is maddening. If I didn’t have a life and have to manage a large operation for work I’d love to get more involved and bang heads together. Reeks of lack of innovative leadership.

 

[orlandoorange]

Amen. Completely agree. Need people with new ideas and hustle. You can’t expect things to change with the same people and resources.

So it's a culture thing?

 

[CuseIn282xx]

It's largely up to the higher powers - donors, sponsors, NIL, and a few highly influential folks.

But, IMHO, all roads are leading to:

 

[JeremyCuse]

So as far as Hogdson, when we were told it was a salary issue only, and nothing to do with NIL, was false?

Yes, I believe that to be correct

 

[VikesCuse84]

It's largely up to the higher powers - donors, sponsors, NIL, and a few highly influential folks.

But, IMHO, all roads are leading to:

Well this sucks. We’re gonna be in the same spot 2-3 years from now and at that point it may be too late to turn this around.

 

[anglerman]

Yes, I believe that to be correct

Did we actually offer him the job??

 

[richmondcuse03]

So it's a culture thing?

Culture, attitude, leadership, structural issues, private school challenges, etc. long list with lots of contributing factors.

You can’t operate the same way as before and expect different results. This isn’t a fundraising challenge. Expecting to merely fundraise our way out of this was always the wrong approach. There’s a small universe of folks at any school who are willing to fund NIL. Bigger alumni bases obviously help but that’s not a Syracuse challenge.

We had to accept that the revenue share hit was a fundamental change to how our university needed to operate and fund sports and not expect to fundraise for all of it. Obviously you try but you can’t count on it.

NIL is more of a marketing and sales operation now vs a fundraising apparatus. Different mindset and approach. Should be selling a ROI to businesses vs a gift.

You need businesses who are willing to do deals with players. Everything goes through a clearinghouse. This is the first year where basketball will really have to deal with that. Everything last year was front loaded ahead of the deadline.

It’s incredibly frustrating to hear we are still trying to get a few whales to fund it all. That’s great and all and good luck trying but that says to me they’re also funding the revenue share piece too.

In a community and region where Syracuse is the main sports draw, I just don’t believe we lack from enough businesses willing to be involved. Perhaps I’m wrong but I’ve heard plenty of anecdotes from folks who have never been approached or even asked to do a deal that leads me to believe that’s not the case.

We should have been forcing partners on the pure marketing side to expand those agreements to fund NIL deals too. It’s the only way forward.

I like what JW did and he had a lot of to fix. But an area where he hasn’t done well is NiL. He has not approached this in a new way at all. I’ll take any new leadership on this but they need to get the overall leadership of the university to think differently and restructure how groups work together to actually see results.

SU is a massive business. Period. It should start operating like one cohesive business. I’m sick of hearing that it’s on the fans. The fans have supported the basketball program for decades. Ticket prices aren’t cheap. They’ve come out year after year. It’s only during a prolonged downturn that they’ve stopped and that’s because leadership failed us.

 

[oldpinepoint]

Amen. Completely agree. Need people with new ideas and hustle. You can’t expect things to change with the same people and resources.

Sounds like our hoops top candidates

 

[Chip]

Yes, I believe that to be correct

I think some (not all) are struggling to get their head around it all.

Coach salary
Budget for staff (assistant coaches and other support roles)
Player payments from the $20.5M the school can pay from their own budget (which football gets most)
Player payments from 3rd party NIL
Facility upgrades as needed

Did I miss anything?

 

[5OutFred]

Back to the actual coaching itself, do we know who the candidates are at this point, outside of Gerry? Feels like him and "the field"

 

[RedtheGOB]

Time to drop the official RedtheGoodOlBoy prediction. I’ve cruised the thread and while I’m no insider my 1 year old and cocker spaniel both agreed with me this morning.

It will be Luke Murray…And here’s why.

-The last critical hires at this University have all been young and upcoming assistants. The best in their classes, experience under the best programs and coaches, but not head coaches or the leaders themselves. Bryan Blair (youngest AD), Fran (double promoted), even Haynie made the jump to the big chair as an assistant this year.

-The odd timing of the BH news and how that played out means that his camp really wanted to spin the story before anyone else. Assistants can interview now and make commitments without worrying about the tournament. BH losing out to an assistant coach from Uconn for the SU HC position looks a lot different if Thamel leaks that first right.

-He checks many of the boxes, but also is not the preferred guy in the major camps at SU. The assistant promotion after Autry terrifies everyone, but he ain’t no Autry and I don’t think BB cares anyway. See bullet 1. He will bet on a top assistant and we are not a school sniping and getting into bidding wars stealing P5 coaches for better or worse. I made a long post yesterday that BB was not the preferred pick by many factions at SU yet won the job (same with Fran) and I expect he will do the same with the Cuse Hoops HC.

-If you track back through the thread you’ll see a few comments sprinkled that LM was high on our list way back, but yet he is barely getting the attention now, yet we know that unnamed interviews went on this week but outside the purview of major donors.

*Announcement timing I expect would be early next week. Uconn could be playing until April and we can’t wait that long nor do we need to. LM should be off a week after Sunday before Sweet16. I also expect it’s the right thing to do to wait out Gmac’s game, if somehow he pulls a miracle or even pushes Duke to the limit I think every program out there will notice too and we may need to re-assess, but that would be a longshot.

Someone posted Bill Freaking Murray above. I believe we’ll see him courtside at the dome this year.

 

[oldpinepoint]

We will know pretty quick, if it’s GMac it will leak tonight after they lose today. If we get through tomorrow with no leak or announcement then it’s likely an outside candidate. But then again with SU who knows

 

[Widget24]

I understand there are a myriad of reasons why the announcement is still pending. But at this point, this feels like the lead-up to getting a root canal. Let's just hurry up and get it over with.

 

[5OutFred]

Would be thrilled with Murray - chief architect of the offense for the back-to-back champs, Hurley pedigree, fresh perspective, sign me up.

 

[Briancuse]

I understand there are a myriad of reasons why the announcement is still pending. But at this point, this feels like the lead-up to getting a root canal. Let's just hurry up and get it over with.

Yup.give us the bad news now so I can find my pitchfork